Joe Turner (footballer)
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Joseph Turner was a professional footballer who played in the 1902 FA Cup final
for Southampton
. Southampton were a Southern League
club at the time, and their feat was all the more remarkable in that they had already been losing finalists two years earlier. Turner missed the 1900 final and had also previously missed a crucial penalty when Southampton lost a semi final to Nottingham Forest in 1898.
, Staffordshire
and started his football career with Newcastle Swifts in 1893, before joining Dresden United
the following year.
In the spring of 1895, Charles Robson
, the newly appointed secretary/manager of Southampton St. Mary's, and Alfred McMinn
, one of the club committee, visited "the Potteries" in search of new players to strengthen the team ready for their second season
in the Southern League
. McMinn was a native of Staffordshire and was "most persuasive on his home turf". On this trip, Robson and McMinn signed six players: Turner, Jack Farrell
, Samuel Meston
and Willie Naughton
from Stoke, Watty Keay
from Derby County
and Alf Wood from Burslem Port Vale
, as well as recruiting Stoke's long-serving trainer, Bill Dawson. The Saints committee were anxious to secure their services and signed then before the Football League
season was over. Port Vale and Stoke lodged a complaint with the Football Association about "poaching", and an emergency FA meeting was held at Sheffield
, resulting in the Saints being severely censured for negligence. St Mary's were ordered to pay their own costs, plus £4 6s 3d to Stoke and £1 13s to Port Vale. McMinn was suspended for a year and Dawson for a month. Wood's registration with St Mary's was cancelled (shortly afterwards he moved to Stoke).
s per week and made his debut for Southampton in the opening match of the season, a 1–0 defeat at champions Millwall Athletic. Saints started the season with five away matches, four of which were defeats. Eventually, Turner and Watty Keay
formed a good partnership on the left, with Turner's "electrifying speed" on the wing providing the crosses for Jack Farrell
, and under trainer Dawson's guidance, the team's form improved and there were only two further league defeats as the team ended the season in third place, with Turner having contributed six goals. Turner also played in all five FA Cup
matches, contributing five goals, as the Saints reached the First Round proper, going out to eventual winners, Sheffield Wednesday
.
In the following season
, the Saints forward line was boosted by the signing of Bob Buchanan
from Woolwich Arsenal, with the defence being strengthened by the signing of George Clawley
from Tottenham Hotspur
. Southampton exceeded the achievements of the two previous seasons, winning the Southern League
title without losing a match, with Turner scoring 12 goals from 19 league appearances. In the FA Cup, Turner was ever-present, scoring six goals from seven matches, helping the Saints reach the Second Round Proper, where they went out to Newton Heath
after a replay.
Turner remained at Southampton for one further season, helping them retain their Southern League title and reach the Semi-Final of the FA Cup where they took Nottingham Forest
to a replay. The replay at Crystal Palace
was played in a blizzard. After a scoreless first half (in which Turner missed a penalty for Southampton), in the second half Saints were on top when, with ten minutes left to play, referee John Lewis
stopped the match for a time and the players left the pitch. No sooner had the game re-started than the weather worsened but the referee decided that the match should continue. Clawley had his eyes "choked with snow" and conceded two goals in the final minutes of the game. Despite Southampton's protests the F.A.
decided that the result should stand – this was perhaps not surprising as Lewis was an eminent member of the F.A. board.
at the Victoria Ground
, he helped Stoke reach twelfth place in the league and the semi-finals of the FA Cup. The following season
he only missed a handful of matches, with Stoke's league position improving marginally, ending in ninth place.
and made his debut in a 2–1 victory at Preston
. He scored twice in the next match, a 5–1 victory over Wolverhampton Wanderers
and went on to make 36 appearances, scoring nine goals. In February 1901, he was a member of the Everton side that put Southampton out of the FA Cup, when he capped an impressive performance with Everton's third goal.
and was a virtual ever-present in the two Southern League championship winning sides of 1902–03 and 1903–04.
For the start of the 1901–02 season, he replaced Alf Milward
on the left with his unrelated namesake, Archie Turner, on the right. He finished the league season with nine goals from twenty appearances. In the FA Cup, he was ever-present scoring three goals from his eight matches. In the final against Sheffield United
, the first match was drawn 1–1, taking the match to a replay at Crystal Palace
. The replay was played in bitterly cold conditions and Saints were soon a goal down, but following smart work from Turner, Albert Brown equalised on the 70th minute with a shot from distance. United regained the lead with six minutes to go following an error by England
goalkeeper, Jack Robinson
, and hung on to claim the trophy.
In 1902–03, Turner scored 14 goals from 26 appearances including a hat-trick
in a 6–0 victory over West Ham United
in the final match of the season as the Saints took the Southern League title for the fifth time in seven years. During the following season, Turner's skills were on the wane and, by the end of the season, he had lost his regular place first to a local youngster, Fred Mouncher
and then to Archie Turner's younger brother, Harry
.
During his two spells with Southampton, Turner made a total of 153 first-team appearances, scoring 74 goals.
.
1902 FA Cup Final
The 1902 FA Cup Final was contested by Sheffield United and Southampton at Crystal Palace. The match finished 1–1 after extra time, with the goals scored by Alf Common for Sheffield United and Harry Wood for Southampton....
for Southampton
Southampton F.C.
Southampton Football Club is an English football team, nicknamed The Saints, based in the city of Southampton, Hampshire. The club gained promotion to the Championship from League One in the 2010–2011 season after being relegated in 2009. Their home ground is the St Mary's Stadium, where the club...
. Southampton were a Southern League
Southern Football League
The Southern League is an English football competition featuring semi-professional and amateur clubs from the South West, South Central and Midlands of England and South Wales...
club at the time, and their feat was all the more remarkable in that they had already been losing finalists two years earlier. Turner missed the 1900 final and had also previously missed a crucial penalty when Southampton lost a semi final to Nottingham Forest in 1898.
Early career
Turner was born in BurslemBurslem
The town of Burslem, known as the Mother Town, is one of the six towns that amalgamated to form the current city of Stoke-on-Trent, in the ceremonial county of Staffordshire, in the Midlands of England.-Topography:...
, Staffordshire
Staffordshire
Staffordshire is a landlocked county in the West Midlands region of England. For Eurostat purposes, the county is a NUTS 3 region and is one of four counties or unitary districts that comprise the "Shropshire and Staffordshire" NUTS 2 region. Part of the National Forest lies within its borders...
and started his football career with Newcastle Swifts in 1893, before joining Dresden United
Dresden United F.C.
Dresden United Football Club were a football club based in the Dresden area of Stoke-on-Trent who were active at the end of the nineteenth century....
the following year.
In the spring of 1895, Charles Robson
Charles Robson
Charles Robson was an English cricketer, who played as a wicket-keeper for Middlesex between 1881 and 1883, and for Hampshire from 1891 to 1906, for whom he served as captain for three years from 1900 to 1902....
, the newly appointed secretary/manager of Southampton St. Mary's, and Alfred McMinn
Alfred McMinn
Alfred McMinn, was an English manager for Southampton F.C. from August 1896 to May 1897.-References:...
, one of the club committee, visited "the Potteries" in search of new players to strengthen the team ready for their second season
1895–96 Southampton St. Mary's F.C. season
The 1895–96 season was the eleventh since the foundation of Southampton St. Mary's F.C. and their second in league football, as members of the Southern League. They finished the league season in third place behind the previous season's champions, Millwall Athletic, and Luton Town...
in the Southern League
Southern Football League
The Southern League is an English football competition featuring semi-professional and amateur clubs from the South West, South Central and Midlands of England and South Wales...
. McMinn was a native of Staffordshire and was "most persuasive on his home turf". On this trip, Robson and McMinn signed six players: Turner, Jack Farrell
Jack Farrell (footballer)
John "Jack" Farrell was an English professional footballer who played as a forward. Farrell played in the Football League for Stoke and New Brighton Tower and played a major part in Southern league club Southampton's major cup runs at the turn of the 20th Century.-Early career:Farrell was born in...
, Samuel Meston
Samuel Meston
Samuel Meston was a Scottish professional footballer who played as a half-back for Stoke and Southampton. Whilst with Southampton, he appeared in two FA Cup Finals and won six Southern League championship medals and was the only player ever to do so.-Playing career:Meston was born in Arbroath and...
and Willie Naughton
Willie Naughton
William A. "Willie" Naughton was a Scottish professional footballer, who played as an outside-forward for various clubs in Scotland and England in the 1880s and 1890s, including Celtic, Stoke and Southampton...
from Stoke, Watty Keay
Watty Keay
Walter "Watty" Keay was a Scottish professional footballer who played as an inside forward for various clubs, including Partick Thistle in Scotland and Derby County and Southampton in England...
from Derby County
Derby County F.C.
Derby County Football Club is an English football based in Derby. the club play in the Football League Championship and is notable as being one of the twelve founder members of the Football League in 1888 and is, therefore, one of only ten clubs to have competed in every season of the English...
and Alf Wood from Burslem Port Vale
Port Vale F.C.
Port Vale Football Club is an English football club currently playing in Football League Two. They are based in Burslem, Staffordshire — one of six towns that make up the city of Stoke-on-Trent. The club's traditional rivals in the city are Stoke City, and games between the two clubs are known as...
, as well as recruiting Stoke's long-serving trainer, Bill Dawson. The Saints committee were anxious to secure their services and signed then before the Football League
The Football League
The Football League, also known as the npower Football League for sponsorship reasons, is a league competition featuring professional association football clubs from England and Wales. Founded in 1888, it is the oldest such competition in world football...
season was over. Port Vale and Stoke lodged a complaint with the Football Association about "poaching", and an emergency FA meeting was held at Sheffield
Sheffield
Sheffield is a city and metropolitan borough of South Yorkshire, England. Its name derives from the River Sheaf, which runs through the city. Historically a part of the West Riding of Yorkshire, and with some of its southern suburbs annexed from Derbyshire, the city has grown from its largely...
, resulting in the Saints being severely censured for negligence. St Mary's were ordered to pay their own costs, plus £4 6s 3d to Stoke and £1 13s to Port Vale. McMinn was suspended for a year and Dawson for a month. Wood's registration with St Mary's was cancelled (shortly afterwards he moved to Stoke).
Southampton
Turner joined "the Saints" on a wage of thirty shillingShilling
The shilling is a unit of currency used in some current and former British Commonwealth countries. The word shilling comes from scilling, an accounting term that dates back to Anglo-Saxon times where it was deemed to be the value of a cow in Kent or a sheep elsewhere. The word is thought to derive...
s per week and made his debut for Southampton in the opening match of the season, a 1–0 defeat at champions Millwall Athletic. Saints started the season with five away matches, four of which were defeats. Eventually, Turner and Watty Keay
Watty Keay
Walter "Watty" Keay was a Scottish professional footballer who played as an inside forward for various clubs, including Partick Thistle in Scotland and Derby County and Southampton in England...
formed a good partnership on the left, with Turner's "electrifying speed" on the wing providing the crosses for Jack Farrell
Jack Farrell (footballer)
John "Jack" Farrell was an English professional footballer who played as a forward. Farrell played in the Football League for Stoke and New Brighton Tower and played a major part in Southern league club Southampton's major cup runs at the turn of the 20th Century.-Early career:Farrell was born in...
, and under trainer Dawson's guidance, the team's form improved and there were only two further league defeats as the team ended the season in third place, with Turner having contributed six goals. Turner also played in all five FA Cup
FA Cup
The Football Association Challenge Cup, commonly known as the FA Cup, is a knockout cup competition in English football and is the oldest association football competition in the world. The "FA Cup" is run by and named after The Football Association and usually refers to the English men's...
matches, contributing five goals, as the Saints reached the First Round proper, going out to eventual winners, Sheffield Wednesday
Sheffield Wednesday F.C.
Sheffield Wednesday Football Club are a football club based in Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England, who are currently competing in the Football League One in the 2011-12 season, in England. Sheffield Wednesday are one of the oldest professional clubs in the world and the fourth oldest in the...
.
In the following season
1896–97 Southampton St. Mary's F.C. season
The 1896–97 season was the twelfth since the foundation of Southampton St. Mary's F.C. and their third in league football, as members of the Southern League. The season was the most successful yet, with St. Mary's claiming the Southern League title for the first time and reaching the Second Round...
, the Saints forward line was boosted by the signing of Bob Buchanan
Robert Buchanan (footballer)
Robert John Buchanan was a Scottish international footballer who played as a forward in the 1890s.-Early career:Born in Johnstone, he started his career as a youth player with Johnstone before joining Abercorn in 1887...
from Woolwich Arsenal, with the defence being strengthened by the signing of George Clawley
George Clawley
George Clawley was an English professional goalkeeper who played for Stoke, Southampton and Tottenham Hotspur in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries...
from Tottenham Hotspur
Tottenham Hotspur F.C.
Tottenham Hotspur Football Club , commonly referred to as Spurs, is an English Premier League football club based in Tottenham, north London. The club's home stadium is White Hart Lane....
. Southampton exceeded the achievements of the two previous seasons, winning the Southern League
Southern Football League
The Southern League is an English football competition featuring semi-professional and amateur clubs from the South West, South Central and Midlands of England and South Wales...
title without losing a match, with Turner scoring 12 goals from 19 league appearances. In the FA Cup, Turner was ever-present, scoring six goals from seven matches, helping the Saints reach the Second Round Proper, where they went out to Newton Heath
Manchester United F.C.
Manchester United Football Club is an English professional football club, based in Old Trafford, Greater Manchester, that plays in the Premier League. Founded as Newton Heath LYR Football Club in 1878, the club changed its name to Manchester United in 1902 and moved to Old Trafford in 1910.The 1958...
after a replay.
Turner remained at Southampton for one further season, helping them retain their Southern League title and reach the Semi-Final of the FA Cup where they took Nottingham Forest
Nottingham Forest F.C.
Nottingham Forest Football Club is an English Association Football club based in West Bridgford, Nottingham, that plays in the Football League Championship...
to a replay. The replay at Crystal Palace
Crystal Palace National Sports Centre
The National Sports Centre at Crystal Palace in south London, England is a large sports centre and athletics stadium. It was opened in 1964 in Crystal Palace Park, close to the site of the former Crystal Palace, in the former parkland and also usurping part of the former grand prix circuit.It was...
was played in a blizzard. After a scoreless first half (in which Turner missed a penalty for Southampton), in the second half Saints were on top when, with ten minutes left to play, referee John Lewis
John Lewis (referee)
John Lewis was an English football player, administrator and referee. He was born at Market Drayton, Shropshire, but lived most of his life in Lancashire and was primarily associated with Blackburn Rovers F.C...
stopped the match for a time and the players left the pitch. No sooner had the game re-started than the weather worsened but the referee decided that the match should continue. Clawley had his eyes "choked with snow" and conceded two goals in the final minutes of the game. Despite Southampton's protests the F.A.
The Football Association
The Football Association, also known as simply The FA, is the governing body of football in England, and the Crown Dependencies of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man. It was formed in 1863, and is the oldest national football association...
decided that the result should stand – this was perhaps not surprising as Lewis was an eminent member of the F.A. board.
Stoke
In the summer of 1898, Turner returned to the Potteries when, along with Farrell and Clawley, he joined Stoke of the Football League. In his first seasonStoke City F.C. season 1898–99
The 1898–99 season was Stoke's 11th season of league football.-Overview:In the 1898–99 season automatic promotion and relegation was introduced between the First and Second Divisions and the number of teams was increased to 18...
at the Victoria Ground
Victoria Ground
Victoria Ground may refer to:*Victoria Ground, the former name of Hartlepool United’s ground Victoria Park.*Victoria Ground, Stoke City’s ground from 1878 to 1997.*Victoria Ground, current home of Bromsgrove Rovers...
, he helped Stoke reach twelfth place in the league and the semi-finals of the FA Cup. The following season
Stoke City F.C. season 1899–1900
The 1899–1900 season was Stoke's twelfth season of league football.-Overview:Stoke began the 1899–1900 campaign well, beating Liverpool and Preston North End at home and drawing away at Burnley. Tom Wilkes had replaced the outgoing George Clawley in goal and there was a change in defence as Sam...
he only missed a handful of matches, with Stoke's league position improving marginally, ending in ninth place.
Everton
Turner left Stoke in April 1900 to join EvertonEverton F.C.
Everton Football Club are an English professional association football club from the city of Liverpool. The club competes in the Premier League, the highest level of English football...
and made his debut in a 2–1 victory at Preston
Preston North End F.C.
Preston North End Football Club is an English professional football club located in the Deepdale area of the city of Preston, Lancashire, currently playing in the third tier of English league football, League One...
. He scored twice in the next match, a 5–1 victory over Wolverhampton Wanderers
Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C.
Wolverhampton Wanderers Football Club is an English professional association football club that represents the city of Wolverhampton in the West Midlands region. They are members of the Premier League, the highest level of English football. The club was founded in 1877 and since 1889 has played at...
and went on to make 36 appearances, scoring nine goals. In February 1901, he was a member of the Everton side that put Southampton out of the FA Cup, when he capped an impressive performance with Everton's third goal.
Return to Southampton
In the summer of 1901, Turner returned to Southampton, and in his second term with the Saints, he helped the club to the final of the FA Cup in 19021902 FA Cup Final
The 1902 FA Cup Final was contested by Sheffield United and Southampton at Crystal Palace. The match finished 1–1 after extra time, with the goals scored by Alf Common for Sheffield United and Harry Wood for Southampton....
and was a virtual ever-present in the two Southern League championship winning sides of 1902–03 and 1903–04.
For the start of the 1901–02 season, he replaced Alf Milward
Alf Milward
Alfred Weatherell Milward was a professional footballer who played in the 1893 and 1897 FA Cup Finals for Everton and in the 1900 FA Cup Final for Southampton.-Playing career:...
on the left with his unrelated namesake, Archie Turner, on the right. He finished the league season with nine goals from twenty appearances. In the FA Cup, he was ever-present scoring three goals from his eight matches. In the final against Sheffield United
Sheffield United F.C.
Sheffield United Football Club is a professional English football club based in the city of Sheffield, South Yorkshire.They were the first sporting team to use the name 'United' and are nicknamed 'The Blades', thanks to Sheffield's worldwide reputation for steel production...
, the first match was drawn 1–1, taking the match to a replay at Crystal Palace
Crystal Palace National Sports Centre
The National Sports Centre at Crystal Palace in south London, England is a large sports centre and athletics stadium. It was opened in 1964 in Crystal Palace Park, close to the site of the former Crystal Palace, in the former parkland and also usurping part of the former grand prix circuit.It was...
. The replay was played in bitterly cold conditions and Saints were soon a goal down, but following smart work from Turner, Albert Brown equalised on the 70th minute with a shot from distance. United regained the lead with six minutes to go following an error by England
England national football team
The England national football team represents England in association football and is controlled by the Football Association, the governing body for football in England. England is the joint oldest national football team in the world, alongside Scotland, whom they played in the world's first...
goalkeeper, Jack Robinson
Jack Robinson (footballer)
John William "Jack" Robinson , was a professional footballer who played for, among others Derby County, Southampton and England.-Football career:...
, and hung on to claim the trophy.
In 1902–03, Turner scored 14 goals from 26 appearances including a hat-trick
Hat-trick
A hat-trick or hat trick in sport is the achievement of a positive feat three times during a game, or other achievements based on threes. The term was first used in 1858 in cricket to describe HH Stephenson's feat of taking three wickets in three balls. A collection was held for Stephenson, and he...
in a 6–0 victory over West Ham United
West Ham United F.C.
West Ham United Football Club is an English professional football club based in Upton Park, Newham, East London. They play in The Football League Championship. The club was founded in 1895 as Thames Ironworks FC and reformed in 1900 as West Ham United. In 1904 the club relocated to their current...
in the final match of the season as the Saints took the Southern League title for the fifth time in seven years. During the following season, Turner's skills were on the wane and, by the end of the season, he had lost his regular place first to a local youngster, Fred Mouncher
Fred Mouncher
Frederick William Mouncher was an English professional footballer who played as a winger for Southampton and Fulham in the 1900s.-Playing career:...
and then to Archie Turner's younger brother, Harry
Harry Turner (footballer)
Harry Turner was an English professional footballer who played as an outside forward for Southampton in the 1900s.-Football career:...
.
During his two spells with Southampton, Turner made a total of 153 first-team appearances, scoring 74 goals.
Later career
Turner left the Saints in the summer of 1904 to join fellow Souther League side New Brompton for two years, before finishing his professional career at Northampton TownNorthampton Town F.C.
Northampton Town Football Club are an English professional football club based in Northampton, Northamptonshire. They currently play in Football League Two, the lowest league division, after being relegated from League One on the last day of the 2008–09 season...
.
Career after football
After his football career was over, Turner returned to Stoke where he was employed in a brewery, but later settled back in Southampton where he died in 1950, aged 78.Career statistics
| Club | Season | League | FA Cup | Total | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | Apps | Goals | ||
| Southampton St. Mary's Southampton F.C. Southampton Football Club is an English football team, nicknamed The Saints, based in the city of Southampton, Hampshire. The club gained promotion to the Championship from League One in the 2010–2011 season after being relegated in 2009. Their home ground is the St Mary's Stadium, where the club... |
1895–96 | 17 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 22 | 11 |
| 1896–97 | 19 | 12 | 7 | 6 | 26 | 18 | |
| 1897–98 | 20 | 10 | 9 | 4 | 29 | 14 | |
| Stoke Stoke City F.C. Stoke City Football Club is an English professional football club based in Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire that plays in the Premier League. Founded in 1863, it is the oldest club in the Premier League, and considered to be the second oldest professional football club in the world, after Notts... |
1898–99 | 27 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 28 | 7 |
| 1899–1900 | 30 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 32 | 8 | |
| Everton Everton F.C. Everton Football Club are an English professional association football club from the city of Liverpool. The club competes in the Premier League, the highest level of English football... |
1900–01 | 32 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 32 | 8 |
| Southampton Southampton F.C. Southampton Football Club is an English football team, nicknamed The Saints, based in the city of Southampton, Hampshire. The club gained promotion to the Championship from League One in the 2010–2011 season after being relegated in 2009. Their home ground is the St Mary's Stadium, where the club... |
1901–04 | 68 | 28 | 68 | 28 | ||
| Career Total | 213 | 79 | 24 | 15 | 237 | 94 | |
Honours
SouthamptonSouthampton F.C.
Southampton Football Club is an English football team, nicknamed The Saints, based in the city of Southampton, Hampshire. The club gained promotion to the Championship from League One in the 2010–2011 season after being relegated in 2009. Their home ground is the St Mary's Stadium, where the club...
- FA CupFA CupThe Football Association Challenge Cup, commonly known as the FA Cup, is a knockout cup competition in English football and is the oldest association football competition in the world. The "FA Cup" is run by and named after The Football Association and usually refers to the English men's...
finalist: 1902 - Southern LeagueSouthern Football LeagueThe Southern League is an English football competition featuring semi-professional and amateur clubs from the South West, South Central and Midlands of England and South Wales...
champions: 1896–97, 1897–98, 1902–03 and 1903–04