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Silent,
Where does it say this in the new testamnet?
Mike
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Silent,
Why is it you refuse to see that your righteousness is useless? Isaiah tells us plainly that our righteousness is as filthy rags in God's sight and yet you refuse to believe yet another of God's prophets. I tell you what Jesus says and you tell me that my new testament is a forgery. I tell you what Isaiah says and you IGNORE his words. How many more prophets of God will you ignore before you begin to see that you are refusing the word of God itself? Jesus said, I have not come to destroy the words of the prophets but to fulfill the words of the prophets. You qu'rm destroy everything that went before and justifies itself apart from all the prophets. That is impossible!!! You are in fact pushing aside anything that disagrees with you doctrine even the bible itself ,God's word!
Let me say when we look at the gospel of Matthew and consider his understanding of fulfillment it is always with the idea of final fulfillment.
As far as the word “fulfill” which many abuse, it does not mean to continue or reinforce. Matthew consistently used the word fulfill in a specific manner, once something is fulfilled there is not a future fulfillment. He quotes Isa.7:14 for the fulfillment of the virgin birth. Where he was to be born Micah 5:2, there is no awaiting for this to re occur in the future. To fulfill something means to bring it to a completion. It is used consistently this way through Matthews gospel (Mt.2:17,23, 12:17, 13:13,35, 27:9,35)
Here are a few examples: Matt 2:15 “and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”
Matt 8:17 “that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: “He Himself took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses.”
Matt 21:4-5 “All this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: “Tell the daughter of Zion, ‘Behold, your King is coming to you, lowly, and sitting on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey.’“
Matt 26:56 “But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled.
All the Scriptures that Matthew writes about being fulfilled all mean a completion of something that is said. That something was prophesied or written and he fulfilled it or made it happen, bringing it to its end, having it come to pass.
Jesus’ last words before he left are found in Matt. 28:20 “teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Jesus after the resurrection continued with the apostles for 40 days. We find in Acts 1:2-5 “Until the time he was taken up after he through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles he had chosen.” “To whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; “for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.
”Jesus fulfilled all the laws requirement by his perfect obedience, taking upon himself the penalty and the curse of the law and with his dying rendered it inoperative for the believer (Rom.10:4-5; Heb. 8:13).
Mike
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Replied to: Silent,
Why is it you refuse to see that your...
Haha..Mike!
1-I have been asking questions based of your New Testament...you forgot...it was NK who challenged you...
2- One thing is clear that you couldn't meet the challenges of Quran and now finding a way out...
3-You have been mixing up Old and New Laws to 'Innovate' something which doesn't belong to ALLAH, at all!
4- I quoted , 'after the debate',( which was poisoned by you supporter)..to TEACH you the meanings of SON,FATHER, CHILDREN,SPIRIT..ONLY from your OWN SCRIPTURES....
Keep pondering until you reach the meanings of SHEEP, GOAT, LAMB, RIGHTEOUSNESS...etc...
..and then teach it to your own fellow Christians..who celebrate Christmas with Santas and Trees and Easter with Eggs and Bunnys...
...and havn't understood what does ANTICHRIST and FALSE RELIGIOUSNESS ..really means..who themselves are indulged in the afliction of SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS, a filthy garment , according to you...
I'm NOT declaring I'm Righteous..No Muslim will ever DARE to say that...
All Muslims believe that ONLY ALLAH KNOWS He is the ALL-KNOWING..Aalimul Ghaib..everyone is supposed to strive according to their capacities...
My interest is to SHARE what I've learnt from ALLAH'S PERFECT MESSAGE...in hope to make a positive difference...
I'm trying to prove that Allah does't want his religion to be POSSESSED BY ANY ONE...OR DIVIDED AT ALL!
We all need to SUBMIT TO OUR GOD through His MESSAGE...not as a free-being without any rules and no laws...or like those who are defying the LATEST TRUTH..only because it has PUT THE OUT-DATED LAWS IN QUESTION....
If Jesus a.s was a Messenger who fulfilled the LAW OF ALLAH..then SUBMIT TO ALLAH..not JESUS...
Now because Allah has sent his FINAL MESSAGE to ISMAILI PROGENY..you have become JEALOUS and are trying to CORRECT ALLAH'S MISTAKE..or trying to PROVE HIM WRONG..(Naouzubillah!)
Who is becoming SELF-RIGHTEOUS man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually you all so-called Children of Israel, have become OFFENDED by ALLAH....because He has proven you GUILTY of meddling with his LAW and EXEGERRATIONS....
You are submitting to an IDOLS of your FALSE RELIGION and inturn SATAN-THE IDOL OF YOUR OWN EGO..
You can't ACCEPT THE TRUTH OF QURAN...never..the message of SALVATION OF ALL TIMES...
You have an Agenda, and you'll never be able to accomplish it here...but keep harping..it's your fate.....
Preach your sister in faith first, kindly, then come to me again...Thanks & Good luck!
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where's the humility? don't...
I see a lot of quoting, but very little independent thought. Nuff said.
Don't expect humility from people as religiously militant as these. Their view is the only right one and you're a fool if you can't see it. Therefore you are to be condescended down to from their high horses and pedestals.
History doesn't change. People don't change. This is a very old, old way of talking and thinking and feeling.
There is nothing new under the sun.