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washakite
If there really is global warming then why are we having record cold weather down in Miami?
           
 
blais4515
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One has to know the difference between weather and climate . Weather - local Short time frame . Climate - longer time frame . A specific area can have cold weather but the overall climate world wide can still be getting hotter .Ed
           
 
scbrow
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I agree with blais4515. If global warming is indeed happening, then we can assume that this winter would have been even colder this year if global warming wasn't happening.
           
 
blais4515
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Global warming is a complex concept . Most people know little about the topic . If one looks back in the history of the earth there have been many times when temp. have been colder /warmer . Man played no part in the changes because man was not here to influence it . Could this be the case now ? The is no doubt that the level of co2 has increased during the last 200 years -that is well documented . There are many more greenhouse gases that increases the greenhoude effect . But!!! Ed
           
 
washakite
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I have been doing alot of research on the matter and the conclusion i have come to is GLOBAL WARMING in a pile of CRAP!!
           
 
blais4515
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HI! It is a confusing issue but it is no crap . Do you understand the debate. There is conflicting issues an scientific research but no matter what trmperatures a slowly increasing . Why are the ice at both poles thawing ? Ocean leveles are increasing . Ask people who are being affected . That is real . There are many reasons -1) thawing of polar ice 2)Thermal expansion of oceans 3) etc I once listened to a video - 4 pilars of the greenhouse debate . Trie to listen to it . Ed
           
 
piti64
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"Most people know little about the topic . If one looks back in the history of the earth there have been many times when temp. have been colder /warmer"
Most people still don't know much about the subject. Though it has been revealed today (18-1-10) that the original concept of the glaciers would be gone in 35 years was based upon a conjecture which the author himself later admitted was wrong.
A good idea as to why there is such a hype for global warming can be seen by those who are so keen on it. Scientists who have an involvement in activities that seeks to prove it, and governments, who see it as a cash cow.
           
 
blais4515
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In terms of glacier melting . All comments and facts if checked are correct at that time and with the available information at that particular instance . I agree . In 1975 I visited some of NZ glaciers , 25 years later I visited the same glaciers and I was very surprised that they had retreated so much . One has to remember that the freezing and melting point is the same ie zero degrees celcius . The temperatur does not have to change much to have the ice melt. The time frame is not the important issue - it is that the glaciers will melt. Be it 35 or 100 years . They will melt . As I said before there is a lot of conflicting information . It is up to the individual to read sufficient information from all angles to make intelligent decisions . I agree that the global warming issue is pushed by certain individuals more than others and not others . That's life . It is the resposibility of the individual to sift through the available data . I once wrote a paper called; It's a f igment of one's imagination . Is anything real or just a fign\ment of our or others imagination . Ed
           
 
rory2000
replied to: washakite
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I agree.
           
 
tgvas
replied to: washakite
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OK, if we are in a global warming cycle, meaning climate change, and because of that Global Warming, the earth is actually having record low temps, more ice, snow, then, because it is actually colder, (and it has been since prior to this past spring), then that colder climate should stop the "Global Warming" that so many are using to create a New World Order with a World Tax.

just thinking on the issue because, at 56 years old, and my mom at 80, neither one of us recall a colder winter, fall, summer or spring in our lives.

We live in Connecticut, USA
           
 
rabidman
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I agree tgvas its created to make money....the Earths tempature goes up and it goes down....things change...its just how it is....pluss valcanoes have put out wayyy more gasses then man ever.....see the reasearch when earths temp goes up and down...so does Mars...its a hoax to make money....
           
 
GFWHELL
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Replied To:  I agree tgvas its created to make money....the Earths tempature goe...
If green house gasses are causing the mean atmospheric temperature to rise. why has the temperature on other planets within our solar system risen in unison with ours?
Could this observed effect be caused by the sun?
Especially as none of these planets have any CO2.
Is it not a fact,that a rise in the mean atmospheric temperature will cause an increase in the production of CO2 due to increased organic activity?
Is it not also a fact that Ice core samples show the level of CO2 increases "AFTER" the temperature increases and not befor?
Is it not also a fact that Al Gore has icreased his personal wealth by a magnitude of 16 times since he started his anti CO2 crusade?
           
 
blais4515
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You have many interesting points . Weather and climate are affected by many factors . The single biggest thing is the various rays from the sun . The amount of sun spots are one of the biggest . Sun spots are cyclic .They give off many particles and rays - these are sent throughout our solar system as solar winds . The greater the number of sun spots the greater the winds . These winds affect all in our solar system . Our earth as well . Also rays that hit our earth heats our oceans . This is where much weather patterns start .eg Cyclones . The currents flow throughout the number of oceans. Yes the sun is the life blood of living things . Without the sun Earth would be extremely cold . Most of space is about 3degrees warmer than absolute zero (-273 degrees c) . Earth is unique because of it't atmosphere . Venus has a very heavy atmosphere . Temp. 4-500degrees celcus . M ars is the closest to earths . There are many factor that determine our mean atmospheric temp.. We need a certain temp .to allow plants to photosynthysise . Plants need co2 to make food . Oceans are big storage units. . Fossil fuels is formed from decayed plants and animals hundreds of millions of years ago . Man is releasing it at an ever increasing rate. There is an increase in mean atmospheric . No question . The question is how much was/is caused by mans activity . Temp. varies . We've had ice ages and warmer times.. No question .. Personally I feel that most is due to natural occurances .Man has played his part but not as much as we are told . When it comes to mans activity things are not what they seem . It is often a figment of our imagination . We are told what the power brokers want us to hear not what is real . Al Gore has made lots of money for sure but so what . He has made peoples aware of things that others would not tell us . Good man . Have you seen his video -The uncommen truth . ( I think) It can be cooler /warmer in specific regions but the meaqn atmospheric temp can increase . Ther are so many more factors to discuss. See you!
           
 
blais4515
replied to: tgvas
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Just because your area has colder temp global warming does not have to be eliminated . Read up on it . Are you saying that creating an issue of global warming is a way that the power brokers can collect money in they form of tax . Yes that makes sense . The new world order has been happening for many , many ,many . That is a fact . Your age is insignifant in terms of happenings of geological and natural happenings .
           
 
lehmann520
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I find the observed retreat of glaciers interesting. I am NOT a climate change proponent but I do wonder about the current weather. I wonder if the greenhouse effect is causing drier weather and THAT is somehow affecting the retreat/advance cycle of glaciers.

I live in Michigan and I have to say, since El Nino quit, I'm up to my ass in snow. Last summer, we didn't have enough warm days for me to get a real sun tan at the local beaches. If the glaciers are retreating, (people have actually OBSERVED this change, it isn't a figment of media imagination or manipulation of questionable data), it isn't because of warming.

The high albedo of ice makes me think that changes in solar activity wouldn't affect it on such a slow scale but maybe they are as well. I can't do a damn thing about the sun. It refuses to participate in legislative efforts to curb it's behavior. Shame on the sun.

we already have the beginnings of weather control technology. In the future it maybe possible to control it on some scale so I ask:

what about drying?

DESERTS ARE NOT EVIL. THIS ISN'T ABOUT SAVING THE WORLD FROM SAND!

I'm asking a question about weather and it's relationship to glacial ice. Could they be retreating because the air is drier? Is the air drier because of greenhouse gases? Is this something we can change and should we?

Dawn

           
 
GFWHELL
replied to: lehmann520
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Cosmotologists have assertained that water vapour (Clouds) are effected by EM Radiation at various levels and frequencies causing combination of droplets (SEEDING) If you like, thus causing precipitation.
The Maundum levels of the suns output varies with the appearance of sunspots, The inconvenient truth is that these variations match the climate change the planet has experienced over many centuries. Sun spots have been studied for hundreds of years. This infommation has not been widely published as it does not make money for any one.
Yes the glaciers are shrinking. Glaciers are ice rivers flowing under the effect of gravity, moving only a few centimeters per year. Like all rivers they require precipation, otherwise they dry up. Which is precisely what is happeneing.
The precipitation paterns have changed on our planet.Not because the air is getting warmer, the cause is due to the
big energy ball in the sky. The last ten years hve been colder. Lets hope the suns radiation improves our climate so we can grow two harvests a year to feed the worlds population befor it doubles.
No one has suggested applying a cap or sheath in trade here.

GF
           
 
GFWHELL
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It is my firm belief that the cap and trade system which will be applied to overcome effects of CO2 on our climate, will be fully augmented by the recent discovery of
an important:

NEW ELEMENT

Oxford University researchers have discovered the heaviest element yet known to science.
The new element, Governmentium (symbol=Gv), has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.

These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called pillocks.
Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert.
However, it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact.

A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause reactions, that would normally take less than a second, to take from 4 days to 4 years to complete.
Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2 to 6 years. It does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganisation in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.

In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganisation will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.
This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration.
This hypothetical quantity is referred to as a critical morass. When catalysed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium (symbol=Ad), an element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium, since it has half as
many pillocks but twice as many morons.
It is therefor anticipated that the cap in trade system will work extremely efficiently in making carbon producers
extremely rich.

GF
           
 
blais4515
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Dawn
A good site to visit about the issues you are concerned abouut is ; http;//global-greenhouse-warming.com/glacial-retreathtml. I found it answered many of my questions .
Weather is manly the result of the sun . It has it's own set of rules . Yes shame . I will have to do some research on the effect of drying . I'm not sure what we can do but anything that we do that is helping then it is good . Ed
           
 
blais4515
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Gf I like your article . So true ! Ed
           
 
Blogengeezer
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All excellent points to consider. One noteworthy observation is Glaciers. One has to wonder why the 'Retreating' Glaciers are given an inordinate amount of attention, while the 'Advancing' Glaciers are totally ignored by the Media and their 'sources'.

The fact that glaciers are 'Breaking Off' demonstrates Advancing. Static glaciers do not 'Break Off'. Record -40 degree winters in Northern Maine suggest we will see more Glacier Advance than Retreat.

I surmise that this Intelligent and alert majority has noticed the latest revelation in the Media? The Mammoth Bones being discovered in Siberia?

On first glance at the articles, the words "MELTING TUNDRA" is Media spin Capitalized. "Warming Temperatures" is next, in slightly smaller font. The first paragraphs describe the proliferation (leading you to believe this is a rarity) and only as you read deeper into the articles released, does the alert reader become ever so slightly aware of the 'Truth'.

The Mammoth Bones have been 'surfacing' along meandering creek beds in the 'Tundra'...for untold 'CENTURIES'. Generations of Siberian 'Bone Hunters' have earned their sparse livelihood from the harvesting of 'Mammoth Bones'. GENERATIONS...

Now for the real revelation. At several sites in the past, recovery has revealed 'Daisies' in the mouth's and digestive systems of the fully 'flash frozen' remains.
The reports were revolutionary...in the 1950's... when schools actually taught 'Science' instead of 'Political Conjecture'.

Ice Ages obviously occur far more rapidly than educators understand, or are reluctant to teach. Journalism Politics has trumped Science ...again..

note: You tube videos, Professor Bob Carter series (Global Cooling) is a good start..
           
 
lehmann520
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GAK! This is BRILLIANT! I love it! Is it copyrighted? Do you mind if I use it? I will give you full credit, we change exchange email addresses and I will list you as the creator of this piece of fabulous creativity!

::::hopping up and down like a mad child on the greatest chocolate high ever:::

please pleaseplease!

Dawn
           
 
Blogengeezer
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GF's Internet story is exactly the reason that causes modern Nuclear Power Plants to be priced to astronomical proportions, in comparison to more conventional energy generating systems.

One thing France is doing 1/2 way right on their Nuclear Power program. They (including all other nations) do NOT have Tort law as practiced in the USA (which is now totally governed by Lawyers).

If the Parasitic drag of Lawyers feeding off the TORT (Deep Pockets Pays) system, were removed, clean, modern Nuclear Power plants would thrive all across the country. Their 'waste' would be recycled and Fossil fuels would gradually diminish in priority.

TORT lawsuits place massive financial burdens onto every Deep Pocket venture. Even prison inmates (jail house lawyers) use U.S. TORT Law to reap financial gain (filing endle$$ lawsuit$ and $ettle out of court).

USA is the last nation in the world to be 'ruled' under TORT without reform. The UK abandoned it years ago as "Unsustainable".

USA is also the Only nation to have Lawyers in total control of government. All of the rest of the developing world has Scientists, Mathematicians, Engineers, Economists and Doctors as Heads of State. They 'Use' Lawyers as a 'limited' service entity only. They do Not allow them to 'Rule'.
           
 
GFWHELL
replied to: Blogengeezer
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Dawn,
Sorry I can't lay claims to this web gem, it originated in my Motherland, but has international connotations
of universal proportions.
France has adopted a NIMBY attitude to her nuclear garbage, sends it to the UK to be processed by the
UK's government controlled /private nuclear waste industry, which has come under public suspicion in recent years, due to an increase in child cancer in the area of their processing utility,which is adjacent to the Irish sea. As you are probably aware, higher grade Nuclear waste has to be continuously COOLED for a thousand years or so, which is an MGCP (my grand children's problem). Where does the cooling water
come from? probably the Irish sea. or a tidal estuary there of. and in a fish and chip area.
My thoughts on the Nuclear power industry, are these.
Public suspicion has kept this industry down until they dreamt up the CO2GW scare
No reactors should be planned until a suitable long term solution is found to control and store Nuclear waste.
The cold war has left areas in the old USSR and the USA contaminated and derelict for ever.
The mountains of Nevada are still waiting for the first delivery.
Governments are always quick to assuage public fears, regarding the reliability and safety of Nuclear power.
If Nuclear power plants are so safe, why will not one insurance company stick its neck out on this regard ?
Check your insurance policies on this subject and you will find there is no cover of any kind against "ionizing radiation".
Under these circumstances you would think the Government would stick it's neck out with some sort of "FDIC Type" guarantee compensation for the public. At present,The government could order you to leave your home with possibly only the clothes you were fortunate to be wearing at the time. never to return. and without compensation,
So the risk must be far greater than being struck by lightning, or so it would seem.
If a coal fired power station causes you harm, your covered, I am sure sharp CO2GW lawyers will be working on this one. to attack the CO 2 producers (us).
The picture painted by the proponents of this industry is centered around this magical fuel, a piece the size of a golf ball, which Powers a city for a year. What they don't tell you is: A complete mountain, of low grade ore, strip mined and crushed up by gas guzzling machinery and transported half way round the world in order to produce this golf ball, Millions of KVA went into its production, and when it goes into service it is no more efficient than 30%. plutonium the size of a grape fruit would be sufficient to poison the entire planet.
But oh, what about the carbon dioxide?
What ever happened to the "plant a tree drive"? I guess there's no money in it for the Al Gores of this world.
I have planted 25 tree's in my yard. CO 2 is food for plants. nothing is being done to stop the distruction of rain forest's in order to produce flatulent beef for the hamburger industry.in order that we can all get packed with wellness.
Did you know you can buy a CO 2 generator for horticultural use? it runs on electricity.The stuff which is only produced with 30% efficiency. The stuff that all our future cars will be charged up with.
Do give me a break and idea's for how stupid the electric car replacement sounds.
Any average American car has about 200 hp available at the drivers foot. That is about the same power requirement of the entire, number 6 Doll's eye factory near Chunking China.
I am seriously thinking of building a Yard waste + garbage Gasifier for converting unwanted biomass into gas, suitable for running a generator. we are now running into a greed driven SHTF situation. check out the woodgas site

GF
           
 
lehmann520
replied to: GFWHELL
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GF

I am SOOO using it then!

interesting debate on oil/coal/nuke power.
Why can't we drop nuke waste into the planet's core (beyond the obvious problem of drilling that deep which I'm sure we could do if we put our minds to it). After all, the stuff is natural. The magma would probably just melt it up and recycle it. Plate tectonics/ subduction is a gigantic natural recycler. We should take advantage of that. Nuke power is FAR less polluting than oil and a natural 'go to' when the petrol runs out as it surely will. It can produce the levels of electricity we need to run a modern world and there are not a lot of "alternative enrgy sources" that can claim that bit of fame.

as for the legislation and law, well, those are things of man and men can change them so, change them. I certainly will vote that way. There's always a way to accomplish what you want to do you just need the courage of your convictions.

Dawn
           
 
GFWHELL
replied to: lehmann520
Replied To:  GF I am SOOO using it then! interesting debate on oil/coal/nu...
Dawn,
Sfunny you should mention the interior of the planet as a storage place for spent fuel.
Did you know that Iceland has no nuclear plants and spends hardly anything on staying warm in such a cold place?
Fact is they are close to the MAGMA and pump water down into the ground and in return they get super heated steam, which is used for generating electricity and district heating.
This is not a particularly new technology. but it beats the hell out of nuclear energy.
If you bore a hole deep enough you will finally get to the magma and then you hit pay dirt.
The oil companies have this type of technology. They can drill accurately to enormous depths, I'm sure it would be possible to use Geothermal resources far more than we do.
I think this might be the way to "weld " parts of the tectonic plates in strategic places to prevent earth quakes in chosen areas.If the plates are cooled sufficiently they wont slide over each other at the point of cooling so the stress will build up and break in a less sensitive area. Some one should hurry up and build a row of Geothermal power stations along the San Andreas fault before its to late. In this way there will be enough energy to run all the electric cars,

GF
           
 
Blogengeezer
replied to: GFWHELL
Replied To:  Dawn, Sfunny you should mention the interior of the planet as a st...
One note to GF,
Lowrey AFB in Denver Colo had a project going in the 1960's. They drilled down into the earth and pumped sewage to dispose of it into a porous bedrock. Unforeseen at the time, it freed a 'Slip Zone' and caused a large series of rare earthquakes that rocked Denver (I was there). The Freedom of Information Act, only revealed it many years later.

Another was the attempt to 'modify' weather patterns by injecting Silver iodides into the air currents flowing high over the Rocky Mountains.

The hail stones were the size of tennis balls and killed people. The highway from Boulder to Denver was blocked for hours. People were freezing in the ice, which accumulated to well over one foot. The vehicle damage was impressive, windows and roofs caved in (I was there). Crop damage was horrific. Only Freedom of Information Act revealed that 'experiment'..years later.

In New Mexico, near La Cueva above Los Alamos, there exists a magma chamber remnant from the massive Valle Grande Volcano (suspect it killed most wildlife in Kansas). Many years of drilling and various testing by the Los Alamos National Laboratory, accumulated enough records to indicate the process was feasable..... If cost was no object.

With San Francisco, at one time being located where Los Angeles is today, I would imagine drilling into the San Andreas Fault would be interesting... to say the least. I assume you have not flown over beautiful Crater Lake and the astonishing length of the 'San Andreas Fault' while on an LAX to Sea-Tac flt?

Also hike the area near 'The Grapvine'. The highway passes near some impressive 'Fault' history in California. The power of the earth's crust is to be respected. Attempting to 'stitch' a fault line could release some potentially devastating, unforeseen circumstances. Like lubricating a massive release, which, if undisturbed, would have stayed 'locked' for thousands of years.

History is an interesting subject. Especially when you have experienced a small portion of it. As is often said after a failed experiment.. "Well it looked good...on paper" :>)
           
 
GFWHELL
replied to: Blogengeezer
Replied To:  One note to GF, Lowrey AFB in Denver Colo had a project going in ...
That really is interesting.
I wonder if the material they pumped down the hole could be classified as a "lubricant".
Trying to get rid of a substance without a Blow hole to release generated vaporized product sounds really stupid, but considering what it was, they were pumping down there. I wouldn't think any one would want to see it come back cooked.
There would surely be a big steam cushion build up before any magma solidified.It would of course be necessary to release the generated steam for a month or two before getting any work out of it.
What ever happened to the MOHO? supposedly the deepest hole on earth.

GF
           
 
lehmann520
replied to: GFWHELL
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GF

I hadn't thought about geothermal but it is an excellent point. I do wonder about the unknown and unintended consequences of actual drilling to tap magma heat. I have this same trepidation for the nuclear waste disposal technique I described earlier.Much more research is needed but easily within our grasp. If either thing is implemented on a large scale in the future I hope some very intelligent people are involved in the process. (We can always hope, despite the track record)

Your Iceland example is a good argument for tapping natural geothermal sources but do you have any examples of exploitation of artificially created heat sources, specifically attempting to tap "magma level" heat by drilling? I am aware of using 'stable geothermal temps combined with water circulation' in heating/cooling personal homes here in the States but I do not qualify THAT as 'taping the internal forces of the Earth' which seems an order of magnitude larger and potentially more dangerous, internal atmospheric pressures being what they are and the tendencies for things under pressure to explode.

I must say that I find your idea of 'stitching' plates together to reduce earthquakes and the like to be extremely... ill conceived. As I understand geology and geodesy, the function of tectonics is a primary system involved in the conditions for life on this planet. Although it may eventually be proven that Venus had tectonics, as of this moment only Earth enjoys this distinction and only Earth has life. Many scientists hoping to find another planet bearing life think that such a place will also have tectonics. Stopping or even reducing tectonics sounds like a dance with the devil, IMHO.

I do realize that my opinion on nuclear power is not a popular one but it is well thought out and shared by many. Leftist driven media talks loudly about the dangers of nuclear power but many intelligent people would like to solve the problem of waste disposal because of the potential of this energy source. Yes, it requires a high level of expertise and vigilance, strict safety and construction standards etc and perhaps in this era of cheaply made junk, poorly trained workers, and apathetic idiots, nuclear power is too dangerous to be unleashed but this era will end and soon enough.

Dawn
           
 
Blogengeezer
replied to: lehmann520
Replied To:  GF I hadn't thought about geothermal but it is an excellent poin...
GF and Dawn, Our experimental Geothermal wells in the Jemez Mountains of NM, were so caustic they ate away and rendered useless, the equipment that tapped into the vents. I understand that California uses a small amount of 'Geothermal' energy.

The Iceland Geothermal heat source is relatively easy. The hot flows are within close proximity to the surface and even (to their distress) to the towns :>) Iceland is continually enlarging like Hawaii.

Did you watch Icelands valiant attempts to control the endless magma flows years ago? Spraying vast amounts of ice cold seawater on them 24/7 had Little effect (generated lots of 'water vapor'. the Super Green House gas. Hey... Maybe They caused the Global Warming? :>) Nature has it's mind made up and not much will alter it.

BTW my Bro-in-law is from Iceland. Iceland is totally bankrupt. Their 'Progressive' Nationalist Socialism has left them now totally reliant on Europe. Of course they blame 'The Bankers'.
           
 
GFWHELL
replied to: Blogengeezer
Replied To:  GF and Dawn, Our experimental Geothermal wells in the Jemez Mountai...
Dawn.
Geothermal steam wells have been with us for 50 years, The oil companies have the expertise for such technology but do not actively participate, Here is an exert from one of the web sites regarding steam wells and Geothermal flash steam production:
Many problems encountered in drilling stream wells had to be oven come to make the ventures successful. Formation temperatures encountered in the Salton Sea seemed to be a straight-line function (a gradient of 13F per 100 ft of depth). This imposed severe conditions on all aspects of drilling and completion. This varied, to some extent, from gradients in the older geothermal areas. Not to be overlooked is the effect of these temperatures on casing creep or elongation by thermal expansion (Table 1), because standard API flanged wellhead equipment makes no provision for this kind of performance. Floating equipment was redesigned, and changes in types of downhole equipment were made in an effort to eliminate anticipated problems. In the later completed wells, standard oil-well cementing equipment has been used.
During the early development of geothermal steam wells there were some problems resulting from blowouts. However, these were eliminated in the deeper Salton Sea wells and no problems were encountered with the drilling mud. A sodium surfactant mud was used on the Sportsman No. 1 to drill from 2,690 to total depth. Nevertheless, it was necessary that a cooling system be added and the mud cooled before circulating it back into the well. The difficulty in evaluating the size of the steam area and its potential in terms of pounds of steam and years of productivity still bas not been resolved.

Economic complexities have also entered into the steam play in the Salton Sea. The wells at the Geysers were drilled at a cost of $15,000 to $20,000, whereas the Salton Sea wells will cost more than $150,000.

This article was penned some years ago methinks, but successful wells have been drilled in the USA within the last couple of years.

Regarding plate techtonics, those heading west seem to be diving under those in their way. only moving a few feet per century, in jerks apparently, and not to quietly by all accounts, there was talk of "lubrication" at one time which would encourage the plates to move in a more orderly manner. hopefully in smaller but more frequent "JERKS" thus reducing the violence of singular large movements. I suppose it is a tall order to freeze the plates together in areas where most destruction will occur, forcing plates to move twice as much in another area may not be such a good thing, like building a dam across the Colorado River'.

I guess they might start lubrication AFTER the next big big one?

As a writer, you probably find the Internet a great resource, especially when you are researching stuff you might want to include in your work? You might find CR4 interesting as you can ask questions and start discussions. mostly engineering though.

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blais4515
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Everyone
. All of these forms of energy are not new and many of the problems have been ironed out .
Nuclear energy is one of the safest form of energy . Yes the older reactors were full of problems but the newer ones are considerably safer . The biggest challenge is where to put the waste . Synrock was developed by some professor in Australia . It is has been found to be extremely good at binding waste nuclear waste .
Do you think that playing around with nature is an effective way of getting energy . The dirtiest is burning of fossile fuels . Some other forms of energy .1) wave power , 2) solar ,3) nuclear fission -much work done by the Japanese 4) wind 5)hydro power 5) Geothermal ,6) nuclear fission . 7 ) etc
           
 
lehmann520
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GF

I will check out the forum but I'm not much of an engineer. It's very difficult to acquire that kind of knowledge from a library card if one doesn't already have some kind of propensity for mathematics. Though I do well in math when I apply myself, it is a tedious process for me, I lack basics like trig and calculus and I seem to "get" advanced concepts of higher math without much trouble. (relativity for example) Higher concept math is far more interesting to a scifi writer than trudging through the basics (kind of like being flogged with a wet sheet while whistling in the dark)Still, I'm nothing if not adaptable and if they tolerate endless questions, I'm sure we'll get along.

Hi Blais,

I am interested in the synthrock.. do you have a link? if you don't, no biggie, I can find it on my own with what you gave me. Just being lazy...

also, we aren't really promoting "playing around with nature" just interested in the best form of energy production to ensure the continued development of the third world and the survival of first world economies.(alternatives to oil/coal)

I am a proponent of increased nuclear usage and very interested in fission/hydrogen potential though it will be a while before the costs come down to reasonable levels there. GF likes geothermal and Blog likes to watch naked women run through the streets. ::::winks at Blog:::
what do you like?
The other problem facing energy questions is: who will control the tech that replaces (if it runs out) oil?

welcome to the sanity
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blais4515
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I ,like you ,like female homo sapiens . I like challenges. Especially if theY have to do with science . Fossil fuels are to dirty .
           
 
lehmann520
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Blais,

qualify your statement that fossil fuels are dirty.

Do you think that global warming is real and if you do, do you think it is a result of CO2 in the atmosphere?

Dawn

PS...well, you said you like challenges and female homo sapiens...I am both

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ashley208
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Sometimes we have confusing weather.
           
 
zap11
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There is intelligent life on our planet...thank you rabidman.
I wished I could come up with a scam for people that are this gullible...they are out there rabidman.
Look how many times the world was suppose to end, then we had the duct tape thing, this was the bird flu thing...have we heard anymore about it? UM no..
The other thing that gets me are these environmentalist...yes, the idiots that does not want US tree companies to cut down trees. It is a renewable resource, makes me wonder what they live in, write on, wipe the .... with, etc. They came up with this idea AFTER they bought their homes....we of course call these types of people KOOL AID DRINKERS...the Obama voters
           
 
Anny2012
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I have come to the conclusion that we all have a little blame global warming and its consequences and guilt even more politicians who do not slow down.

http://www.globalwarmingweb.com/
           
 
GFWHELL
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Qhis truth was inconvenient (Gore) . Fossil Fuel.
Sabatire recieved the nobel prize early in the last century in recognition for his research concerning the production of methane which had alwaysbeenaccepted as product of biological action.
He was NOT an organic chemist but went on to synthesize many compounds which hitherto had been Solely in realms of the organic chemist. he proved that what could be formulated on a laboratory Bench, Mother nature could also do. his research was a challenge to the petroleum industry.
There have been reports depleted oilfields becoming fit for production for a second time round.
This type of infomation is not welcome.
Our waming oceans have a far geater effect on climate than the atmosphere. If the cloud cover
(green house gas) were to cover the entirr planet we would freeze to death. The suns rays would
Not heat the oceons. The atmosphere is not capable of storing much heat.
We are expected to believe “ a tail wagging the dog theory” Only about 3% of the oveans floor have been explored, We may have a couple of extra volcanoes on tap. To help the one under the soth pole
Ice cap


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