Good news. Finally got a reply to a biographer who pulls no punches as he quickly disavowed many untruths on Jack Lord starting with his birthdate. He was born in 1920, not 1930 as Lord wanted to project himself as younger (quite common with actors). Also reported that Lord's father was NO Steamship Executive, but a New York City cop. This biographer just dealt on what could be absolutely confirmed. He also stated that yes, Mr. Lord did indeed have a first wife (ex) and a son who died, not at age 13, but at age 11 (all confirmed). Lord and his wife divorced in 1947 after three years of marriage. A marriage that Mr. Lord fought like hell to save. As to his being gay, No Bumblybee. According to this biographer, he was NOT. Mr. Lord was very shy about romantic scenes (partly due to his strong belief in God and his marriage to Marie). He felt uncomfortable with such scenes, so requested on many occasions that they be limited. Was also against nudity. I am feeling so very happy now as these UGLY rumors that could NEVER be substantiated as they were NOT true to begin with. Rest in Peace Jack. Your character and honor are intact. Don't know why some people feel the need to tear others down, but I guess it's human nature. Many thanks to the biographer who told the truth, blemishes and all about Lord's legacy.

P.S. Any word about when this "biographer" is going to have a book out on the shelves? LOL.

This biographer is a "He", not a she. He didn't particularly care one way or the other about Mr. Lord or his acting ability, so he had no ax to grind. He is however, a thorough biographer. Also, do you recall a starlet by the name of Simone Griffith? She was a tall, beautiful blonde with a large bosom. She appeared in one of the later segments of Hawaii Five-O (being used as a spy for McGarrett against a doctor played by Fritz Weaver). Well, it was reported by more than one person on that set, although I read that one of the first to report this was a production assistant). Well, anyway this startlet, Ms. Griffith spent an awful lot of time in Mr. Lord's trailer (with him) that more than a few people remembered it. Now, if he was as you say, 100% gay, I don't believe that this gorgeous woman would have been in there for as long as she was, and as often as she was. Again, Ms. or Mr. Bumblybee, a person's sexuality is NOT an opinion, or a guess. If you have a fact or two to present that he was, let's hear it. For a "fan" to say that the star they liked was gay (or for that matter straight), without proof is not very "fan like". At least with Ms. Griffith, the fact that he was married to Marie for nearly 50 years, and this biographer who had no ax to grind either way as he didn't care that much about Mr. Lord--he just reported what he found. I guess what I'm saying is, I have more facts that point to his being straight then you have in him being gay. If you have something to the contrary (like him going into a gay bar, or someone seeing him with another man in a compromising position), then I'd like to hear it.

Who is the biographer? Just curious ;)

I will get the name of that biographer for you. However, I am curious that if you heard about Ms. Griffith and other women, then how in the world can you say you heard he was 100 percent gay? That means that you don't fool with women at all. hence the term 100 percent. So already that is a lie pomulaged probably by jealous women who didn't like being turned down by Mr. Lord as he did have his standards. Of course he wasn't a saint and I suspect that Ms. Griffith came into his life when he was about 55 years old which would have made his wife Marie 70 years old and likely not interested in sex any longer. Many women do this for their husbands they love. As long as Mr. Lord was discreet and I'm sure he was. Now this is purely speculation as no one knew for certain what took place INSIDE that trailer. But I only brought it up to show that a gay man wouldn't have been interested. I will get the name of the biographer asap.

Well that is curious since Jack spent 14 hrs on the set, got up at 3:30 A.M. jogged for about 30 minutes. Now if you also deduct time for eating, showering, going over script with his wife Marie, not to mention his evening hour long baths in the tub as he suffered for years with Arthritis and it got progressively worse as he aged. Then again, these so-called rumors of him with men, doesn't leave a lot of time for those boat rides now does it? Also, you mention Jack being smart enough not to be caught in his trailer with the woman, however wasn't quite smart enough to not be caught with a man on a boat. As for these sources, apparently they were all "published" as how would the public hear of these "gay" stories. Again, from I suspect jealous women who jack wouldn't look at as he preferred a certain type: well groomed, tiny waste, elegant (his wife), but being a man and not a saint, he had urges that could no longer be filled by his beloved Marie, so this is where Ms. Griffith came in. I'm not all that intuitive, but I did pic up on something Marie said quite some time ago. When asked why Jack had such a wonderful wife, she replied, "many wives do as much for their husbands, the difference being that Jack appreciated it". There's a feeling (a strong one), call it another woman's intuition, but I suspect she was talking about the fact that Jack would Never leave her and he would never embarrass her by public cheating, but she also knew that being so much younger, she couldn't or wouldn't deny the husband she loved dearly (ditto for him), sexual satisfaction she could no longer give. She was truly a remarkable woman. This is part of the reason I think Jack spoke so often of her and his love for God as part of him felt guilty, but as they say, "the flesh is weak". I'm sure Simone (the lucky beauty) has her memories of Jack and the "time" they spent together. P.S. as far as reports of other women besides Simone, I never heard of them, ONLY of Simone. I did hear a story (it was said only once and I never heard it again), that in his will, Jack did leave something for Ms. Griffith, apparently with Marie's knowledge.

By the way, you said to go online and look it up to find the person who started that gay rumor. I can't locate it. Now, I did hear rumors of ladies who wanted to BED Jack and when he turned them down, lo and behold, that's when the rumors started. What's that old adage, "nothing like a woman scorned". Again, you are right in one thought, Ms. Bumblybee--no one, not you nor I can be 100 percent certain if this man's private sexual life. But again, the FACT that he was married nearly 50 years, the FACT that Simone did spend many hours in his trailer, the FACT that no one has come forward to admit that they "were his lover(s), which is usually the case when all parties involved are gone. Only one name surfaced and that was Simone Griffith. Was this a plant? perhaps, but then why lend a REAL name to the woman? Ponder that. Your accusations however of boat rides with men, doesn't come up with any NAMES. It's easy to accuse anyone of anything, people do it all the time, but what separates Truth from Fiction, is a person or a name that is PRINTED.

To your first sentence. Who, who stays married 50 years? 2nd yes there are names like Eva Gabor, Katie Holmes, but these folks are well known and glad to do it, NOT a starlet who nobody knew and I doubt, nobody does now. My point is, I'm sure there were many established actesses and a few (like Marj Dusay) who would have gladly "fronted" for Jack as she liked him very much. Also, I did go to "answers.com" and found only Jack Lord of the Flies, NOT the ACTOR Jack Lord. Why can't you send these "stories" from people who knew Jack. Sorry, but I don't deal in "knew someone who knew him" crap as that is just heresay, not even admissible in court. If you ran across as many bios on Jack as I did, you surely would have run across the biographer who, unlike the rest, SET A FEW THINGS STRAIGHT-THEY ARE AS FOLLOWS:
1.a few bio had Jack's date of birth anywhere from 1920 to 1930. This man said, it was 1920 as he searched records from courts, to the FBI. This 1920 was documented, therefore to him, it was "fact", enough to print.
2nd-All bios had Jack Lord's father as a "steamship executive", Not true-as this man researched and could find NO RECORD of his father being an executive. However, he did find documentation of jack lord's father being a New York Cop. 3rd- (and this is most important), he let stand, the Anne Willard (1st wife of Jack) and researched this to find that indeed an Anne Willard was the daughter of an Argentinia diplomat. He went on to publish the length of their marriage as 1942-1946. Again, most accounts had it as ending in 1945 or 47, or 48. No, it was 1946. 4th-he also let stand the death of Jack's only child, but not at 13 as most accounts have, but at 11 years old. MY question is, why go through all the corrections (jack's father's job, etc.) when he could have easily said, "and the rest of this (1st marriage, anne willard, child) can not be documented so it can't be verified. But he did Not, he included this as just as verifiable as Jack's true birthdate and his father's true occupation. Jack Lord was a very shy man, especially around women, I've always felt that strongly and it isn't because I myself always was Extremely shy. It was horrible, I was frightened of the opposite sex, but eventually married and had a wonderful son. But I also kept to myself, never engaged folks in small talk, and most people where I worked (the police dept.) probably thought I was conceited until they got to know me. Many even said, "gee we didn't know you had a sense of humor". Much like I read for Jack Lord. This is why perhaps I vehemently rise to his defense as I'm sure there were folks (men who I turned down for dates), who wouldn't think twice about spreading rumors that I didn't like men. It wasn't true, but I, like the late Mr. Lord was shy and picked very carefully. Was he a saint, again, No. But who is? Until there are NAMES willing to go public just as Ms. Griffith's name went public with this, I can not or will not subscribe to theory, innuendo, gossip, etc because that is all it amounts to unless someone is willing to stand up and say, "just like in Merv Griffin's case and Tom Cruise's, "I was his lover" and be able to back that up with dates, locations, etc. that check out. You see, I really am and will always be a True Fan and I would like to think, a True Friend to a man I almost met. P.S. I was stationed at Hickam AFB, Honolulu Hawaii from 1973 to my discharge in 1975. My twin sister and I even met James MacArthur (very nice), but my true love was Jack Lord and I probably would have stammered all over the place if I had met him. Back then I was 5'4", 118 lbs with blonde hair and green eyes. Folks say I looked a little like Cheryl Ladd, or Donna Mills. Not bragging because I thought I was just average. I certainly wasn't tall. I would have given anything to not have been so shy because I should have tried to meet him and I probably could have. My boss, Col. Walter Spann offered to help me, but again I turned him down. That's how shy I was. When I think of Jack Lord, I think of myself as both of us lived probably a life that could have been more enjoyable if we weren't so shy. I knew his pain, it wasn't that he didn't want to socialize off camera, but that he wasn't very good at it, like me.

Actually, you already have my email as your messages come thru yahoo mail. I am quite curious as to who these folks are that tell stories about Jack and Marie Lord. Please send those if you can. If you need an email, use this: sharon28627@yahoo.com In your response, you indicated that these stories are not definitive proof of Jack's sexuality, about that I agree, but again anyone can float anything out there without proof. After all, Jack did spend many hours on the set, of that anyone would agree, then he would need at least 5 hours of sleep; add to this the many instances where Jack and Marie would be spotted out and about (in restaurants and the mall). Where pray tell would Mr. Lord get the ENERGY for these gay trysts?? Once again, more proof that he was NOT. Again, just shy, that's all and not afraid to tell women and perhaps some men who Thought he was gay, to take a hike. Now that sounds like Jack.

I get the impression you have very concrete beliefs about Jack and nothing I can do will change your mind. That's fine-to each his own. Nothing you brought up (ex: Griffeth, Jack's alledged ist marriage and son) can be proven nor disproven. Neither can anything I have in my possession. Here are the links I mentioned in case you thought I was lying to you:

Read them in this order:


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_jack_lord_homosexual

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Discuss:Was_jack_lord_homosexual

It sounds like you were one gorgeous young woman! I wish your shyness wouldn't have held you back. Perhaps you would have met Jack and our conversations could have been a lot different ;)

Hello, first thanks for your links, but Ms. Bumblybee I have to tell you, I saw those links before. I thought you were going to give me something even a little more substantial. One simply says, "Jack was a fag and was seen in the company of very young boys". The interesting part of that is: Why do you choose to believe some, but not all? My point is, you picked and chose to believe that Jack was homosexual, but not that he went with young boys; when both accusations were leveled without ONE shred of proof. See, that's where you and I are different. I want to have proof before I believe anything that could damage or besmirch his character and reputation. Again, the links I go to have names of people who actually KNEW him and yes, mentioned his faults (was vain, no doubt about it), wore his set make-up often in public, but none of them EVER mentioned or alluded to him being gay in the least. Sharon Farrell is another that remembers him as being sweet and professional (of course he did take a few extra squeezes around her body, as one of the co-stars mentioned that a scene Jack and Sharon were in called for McGarrett to grab Sharon by the upper body and when they shot it, nothing was wrong, however, Jack insisted they do it again, and ended up with 6 takes). Later it was mentioned that it was Jack's way of doing what most men like to do, wrap his arms around a nice body. Anyway, Sharon was also said to have mentioned that how did Jack manage to work 14 hr. days, half little sleep, spend weekends with his wife (as they were the only days for him to enjoy Marie's company). Jack was said to have laughed and said, I wonder about that myself, but Marie's great and I am very fortunate to have her and I thank God every day for her. Sharon said she just about cried. SOME PEOPLE JUST CAN'T STAND TO KNOW THAT A MAN AS HANDSOME AS JACK, WHO YES, HAD HIS FAULTS AS WE ALL DO, STILL WENT HOME TO HIS WIFE AT THE END OF THE DAY. Which reminds me, YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW HE COULD POSSIBLY FIND THE TIME TO ENGAGE IN THESE GAY AFFAIRS, WHEN THERE ARE ONLY 24 HRS. IN A DAY. P.S. I still say that next to Marie, Simone Griffith remains the luckiest lady in the world. Again, you don't stay married, especially that long, to the opposite sex without either your story eventaully breaking, (i.e. Raymond Burr, Chamberlain, etc.)Remember, Ms. Bumblybee, Raymond Burr LIVED WITH A MAN AND TRIED TO KEEP IT A SECRET AND COULDN'T DO IT. There is no way an actual GAY person could live with someone they are in no way shape or form sexually attracted to, no way. And once again, someone, somewhere would have spoken up and said, "I was Jack's lover", (as in the case of Tom Cruise, Rock Hudson, etc. ). Don't you find it strange that out of all these "rumors", not a one can be substantiated in any concrete way. Again, rumors and talk are cheap, always have been, anyone can say it, the believable part is PROVING it. Otherwise, it just sounds like jealousy on their part.

LOL! No, I jus posted those links to show you where I got the "100% gay" quote. By no means do I take this as proof. I wanted to show you I wasn't the one who started that quote.

I don't believe Simone Griffeth had a fling with Jack. The only evidence of that is an email sent to a website owner about the alleged incident. I've wondered about OTHER actresses, though. And I've wondered about a few actors, too. Like I said, I have no proof he was gay, you have no proof he had straight affairs, either. Let's just call a truce on this one, okay? I have some other interesting stuff about Jack, though. Probably have to take some of it with a grain of salt but I think it's interesting to find out something that makes Jack seem more human and less like a media creation.

Jack wasn't as big an actor as Rock Hudson. The only way Raymond Burr was outed is because his longtime lover told the truth after Burr died. I think Jack was sos reclusive and Marie so maternal to him that anything he did would have been intensely private. No big affairs, perhaps random encounters. We'll probably never know. Jack wasn't a big enough star to have his own biography written and I don't see one on the horizon anytime soon. There are people claiming to be his 'official' biographer but so far that turns out to be untrue.

I would love to read about Jack from an honest and thoroughly researched project. Jack seems to have a limited amount of fans to have a full length book written about him. WE would love to see one, but maybe the public just isn't interested.

First, thanks for the fantasy stories. And yes, by and large they were fantasies. Someone has a career in network writing if they so desire. Look, as always, the old adage, "the truth lies somewhere in between" is true here. Most of the truth I already knew, (i.e. Marie was 15 yrs. older, being born in 1905, Jack was more shy than insecure, but I will buy that as well because we all know Most actors/actresses are. Most are vain as well. But here comes the "fantasy" parts and I will just go through a few as there are too numerous to mention. Sharon Farrell would love to read what she "had to say", and I doubt she would be laughing, probably ready to sue, but not laughing. If half of this "story" was remotely true, no one no how would have stopped this from flying off the shelves as Jack Lord WAS that big a star, especially in Hawaii. Anyway the storylines and scenes are all wrong. Farrell never had a romantic scene with Jack as McGarrett, in the show she had just lost her husband, (a fellow cop), beyond that, it was the 12th and final season for the show. The only other part Sharon had was of a psycho-path who wanted to avenge her lover's death (a fellow psycho-path). Jack admired her acting ability and later invited her to join Hawaii Five-O. Yes, I heard Sharon had financial difficulties, but there is no way anyone would turn down $15,000 for $5,000 for ANY REASON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH'. I couldn't stop laughing over that silly one. Insofar as Ms. Griffith was concerned, she now lives in S. Carolina (as I wrote to you earlier). My twin sister lives there too. What I didn't tell you is I found out where Ms. Griifth lives, and suffice to say wrote a letter to her (never expecting a reply), however, she being married now and has 2 kids, did write to thank me for a very nice letter. Call me crazy, but I asked her if these rumors were true about Jack being "gay" and ever so gingerly inquired about their "trailer talks". She was kind enough to tell me that although it was none of my business, she said, "I can assure you that "John" (that's what she called him), was NOT gay. She went on to say that Marie was the only woman standing in the way of him Not going as far as he would have liked". Now, you can take that any way you want, but I hesitated to tell you earlier because it kind of disappointed me in Jack's true blue devotion to his wife. But again, she was 15 years older and around that time, Jack was 55 years old and that made her 70. I'm sure she was hardly interested in anything of a sexual nature by then. As to the "sleeping in separate bedrooms", well Marie herself gave that away, (not intentionally). Remember when she gave the interview about when she and Jack were visited by Elvis Presley?? (it was on Inside Edition), well, when Presley went into the bedroom to look at Jack's guitar, Marie stated, "I went in and Elvis was on "Jack's bed" strumming the guitar, later on Jack gave that guitar to him, as Elvis gave Jack the gold-plated gun". If married folks slept in the same bed, she would have said, "our bed". That is a slip no wife makes that I know of. However, again when you are up in years and have been married that long, it's not uncommon for husbands and wives to have separate beds, indeed separate bedrooms. I just brought this up as I have very eagle like eyes (having worked for the Police Dept. as long as I have) you learn to catch those things. So that's how I know they didn't sleep in the same bed. Again, I told you earlier about some of the fabrications that Jack himself told, (i.e. his father being a steamship executive) when the biographer (the thorough one) found NO documents of this, but he found that Mr. Lord's father (Ryan being their true family name) was indeed a police sergeant. One thing I would like to comment on that I did wonder about and that was "there was never any mention at all of his family after he became famous. I knew also that he had 4 siblings. But again, when both he and Marie died, no mention was made of any family member (even a niece, or nephew, etc.) which is odd. Especially, when I also knew how much he adored kids, P.S. He also adored dogs, (Ms. Griffith told me that as well-she told a cute story about Jack and an Irish Setter she had--the dog took to him right away and Jack always had treats for it. Again, thanks for the fantasy tales, they were great.

P.S. Speaking of Sharon Farrell and her "story", there was a great interview with Marj. Dusay. Remember her? She played twice in Hawaii Five-O. A very beautiful, classy lady. Well, the interviewer wanted her take on Jack. She replied, there isn't much to tell as if you were on time, weren't drunk, or on drugs and knew your lines, you were fine. Jack was a professional, from start to finish and a gentleman. He wasn't very sociable off the set, but he was never one for "small talk". As far as I know, after the 14 hr. days on the set, he would often say, "I'm going home to Marie if she remembers what I look like, I'll be happy". Marj Dusay is a very classy lady and it shows. I don't think she would "fabricate" anything and if there was something negative about Jack, she would have simply said, "no comment". So, I choose to believe what she stated. If you did your job, showed up on time, etc. etc. Jack would be no problem. P.S. she also said that he was courteous to everyone. That "station in life" story is just that, a lot of bull. I doubt that anyone who would, after production, go out and get ice cream and bring it to a Hawaiian lady whose ice cream had melted due to the blocking of her street, so she couldn't get home before it melted, be rude to anyone. Jack was not like that. I doubt he would kiss many as---, as he always spoke his mind, but again, most of the unflattering stuff is just that, sour grapes from those who were fired (as the deserve to be), or nosy neighbors who tried to invade the Lord's privacy and were promptly rebuffed. P.P.S Caught in another lie, when Sharon Farrell supposedly said Jack came to her hotel room-Jack NEVER socialized with anyone, now that may have been due to Marie or not, I just don't know, but he had NO TiME for social calls to anyone's hotel room. (this was Ms. Griffith's view as well, as they conversed in his trailer every time).

I've seen 2 different pieces of information regarding his only child (a son). The first one said that he died in an accident, the second said he died of hepatitis. Several years ago I got a glimpse of him in Hawaii but couldn't get up close engu to him to even say hello! Outside of Robert Stack Jack Lord was my soulmate and will never forget him. I was born too late...

You were indeed lucky to at least get a glimpse. I was stationed at Hickam AFB, Honolulu Hawaii for 2 years (latter part of my Air Force career), and didn't see him. Of course I was very shy and probably would have stumbled over my words. My twin sister LOVED Robert Stack and I LOVED Jack Lord. I also will never forget him. For a short time I had a crush on Robert Vaughn, but when I saw Jack Lord, wow, that man was handsome and a great actor to boot. Have a nice day LaRue.

As to the various pieces of info, yes there are many different versions, not only pertaining to the death of his son, but the length of his first marriage, and whether he Even HAD an ex-wife and child. That's why I go with Mr. David Marc, he's a person that isn't in one column or the other when it comes to the late Mr. Lord. Column 1-are those who think Mr. Lord was almost a saint and refuse to believe anything negative, and that's fine. Column 2-professes to be fans of Mr. Lord, but then rely on the infamous "UNNAMED SOURCES" AND HUMAN COCKROACHES WHO say he was 100 percent Gay. Mr. Marc dismisses both these "columns". As proof, he does cite that despite the many bios on Mr. Lord's father being a "steamship Co. Exec.", Mr. Marc could find NO CONFIRMATION ON THAT. However, he did find that his father was indeed a NY City cop. Mr. Marc apparently found enough CONFIRMATION to print that Mr. Lord did indeed have as his first wife, Ann Willard and that she bore Mr. Lord's only child, a son who Mr. Marc says died at 11, not 13 and it was indeed a boating accident. Note: for those eagle eyes of Lord's Hawaii Five-O series might recall the 9th year when the storyline depicted McGarrett being blamed for his girlfriend's death (actress Camilla Sparv played the role). In it she was a widow who lost her husband and little girl in a Boating Accident. (Art imitating life a bit??) I think so. Well anyway, Mr. Marc also wrote that the young Mr. Lord was in the process of purchasing a home for Ann and himself on the Chesapeake Bay when the marriage fell a part. My question to the doubters that are still out there is: WHY WOULD MR. MARC DISPEL SOME BUT NOT OTHER UNCONFIRMED STATEMENTS? This should put to rest once and for all those ugly rumors of the late Mr. Lord being gay. Mr. Marc reference him as STRAIGHT and that is good enough for me.

Did you get the info I sent you? The biographer is David Marc. I sent you the location that he gave his info to. Hope you received it.

Sent you the biographer info. (David Marc). Hope you received it. I was out of town for awhile, so I didn't get to reply on the letter that came from a close friend of Mr. Lord's neighbor. One of the observations concerned why Mr. Lord did NOT live with Marie at the time they were dating as she lived in a very swanky apartment. Well, that COULD be because (just as your friend stated in the earlier paragraph) Mr. Lord was raised to RESPECT women and himself, I'm sure. So, it would NOT be a stretch to assume that Jack wouldn't LIVE with any woman and have them support him. He just wouldn't do it. Also, if it is true that he did have HIGH morals, especially relating to co-habitating without marriage coming first, I don't find this surprising.

P.S. There's a new fan of Mr. Lord's, (LaRue) I believe her comments can be viewed as well. Bye. At least let me know if you received the information as you were VERY curious about that.

Sorry it took me so long to reply josieabbott! Busy with work. Anyway, I did get the biographer info-thanks so much for that! He sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

josie and LaRue, I wish I could see documented proof of Jack's son's existence. It's just one of those things I find hard to believe without seeing actual proof.

Whether Jack was gay, straight or somewhere in between-it doesn't bother me. What bothers me is NO DOCUMENTS about the existence of Jack's alledged son and first wife. Please, if someone has copies of documented proof-NOT stories from ANYONE, please post it. Or let me know where I can find it. Does anyone know the exact year Jack and this 'Ann Willard' got married? What about the birth/death of the 'son'? I will eat my words when or if I see proof.

Robert Stack was one classy guy! Of course, so was Jack.

Josieabbott, I may not agree with everything you say and I HAVE been enjoying our conversations. But I wish you wouldn't express your views by name-calling (ex: human cockroaches). After all, everyone is merely stating their own opinion.

Well, you are entitled to believe what you want, however, the biographer Mr. Marc would NOT have chosen to include some, but not ALL as fact if this were NOT the case. Why would he?? Again, the man never felt one way or the other about Jack. Just printed what could be documented. In fact, he stated as much i.e. ("what could be documented"). Perhaps Jack, being a VERY private person, saw to it that these PERSONAL accounts WOULD NOT be easily accessible to the public. I don't know, but what I do know is everyone from Robert Stack to George Clooney has been thought of as "gay" or "bi-sexual" and no proof exists for these actors as well. One was married to his wife for over 50 years (similar to Jack) and Clooney is seen with women everywhere. My point Bumblybee is STILL for those who identify themselves as FANS, the benefit of the doubt should ALWAYS be with the person they claim to adore. Whether that be Robert Stack, George Clooney, or Jack Lord. Unless there are documents or evidence to the contrary, a true FAN would believe the good and positive. I know I'll be hammered by you about what is wrong with being "gay" and again, nothing as I believe it can't be helped. However, if a man lived his life with his wife of nearly 50 years and was straight, to now be thought of as anything else, IS A SLAP TO THAT PERSON'S CHARACTER. "Human cockroaches" is probably a bit tough, but I can't understand why some folks would rather think the worst (on baseless claims) rather than the best--that makes them a little less than human in my book.

Mr. Marc would write what he believes to be true. Let's say that I agree with you-I don't think that Jack was necessarily gay, but I don't discount it, either. I like Jack no matter what he was or wasn't. The documents about his first marriage and his son SHOULD be available somewhere. You can't hide your vital statistics. Birth certificates, as well as marriage and death certificates are part of the public record. I would love to see these documents! Let's you and I agree that Jack was straight, okay? I'd rather him be straight because I had the hots for him as badly as you and LaRue did!

About Robert Stack- I don't believe he was gay at all. A celebrity photographer that was a friend of mine said that Stack was a wonderful husband and he was always nice to his fans no matter what. Stack had the reputation of just being an all-around nice man. George Clooney, I believe, could be a little 'different', lol. As far as Jack goes, my celeb photog friend never said he was gay/bisexual. He didn't say he was straight, either. All he said was that he heard Jack was difficult to work for. But we've heard all that.

I agree with you that accusing Jack of being gay if he wasn't was a 'slap to his character'. But I also believe that accusing Jack of having heterosexual affairs only verifiable by hearsay is ALSO a slap to his character. One thing I definitely believe about Jack is that he wasn't a big slut like a lot of celebs.

Here's what I don't understand and perhaps you can clear it up. When I mentioned Ms. Griffith, you emphatically said you did NOT believe Jack had a fling with her and I believe the reason you gave was, "there really is no proof", just a witness or two that knew she was in his trailer quite a bit". Now, I know that isn't verbatim, but close enough. That's fair as even though I got a response from Ms. Griffith with her stating "he's all man", I will accept you not believing this without your idea of PROOF. WELL, WILL YOU GRANT JACK THAT SAME RIGHT?? There is absolutely NO PROOF THAT HE WAS GAY OR BI. NONE, ZIP, ZERO. ALL YOU GAVE ME WAS A LOT OF INNUENDO. (probably made by some who, because Jack was difficult to work with and booted them off his show) have an agenda. Would you NOT agree? Also, it is curious that in Ms. Farrell's story, did you NOT recall her saying that in one of her scenes with Jack(love scene, I guess) that Jack was "UP" or something to that effect. She meant that he was visibly AROUSED by her. Now, you can't have it both ways--if you say or believe that Jack was gay, THERE IS NO WAY THAT ANY WOMAN COULD GET HIM AROUSED, NOT EVEN A RAQUEL WELCH, MUCH LESS A SHARON FARRELL. Either you believe he was gay or you don't. In closing, I only bring up Robert Stack because in his early career there was indeed a "casting couch" and many males as well as females succumbed to that couch. Did you also know that Paul Newman had several "gay flings" and that CAME OUT AND WAS PROVEN. Again, No ONE ever came out and proved that about Mr. Lord. Together with Mr. Marc who again, had to have documentation as he alluded to that when he chose what to put in as fact and what to disavow. (As in the occupation of Jack's father). One final thing: Can you produce any document showing that Jack had 4 siblings??? Try it? I bet you can't, yet Mr. Marc acknowledged it as fact. Jack Lord was one of 5 siblings. I believe that's a checkmate!! My point being, just because you are unable to verify the info, doesn't make it phony. Just like it doesn't make Paul Newman (married for 50 yrs. to Joanne), or Robert Stack (married longer) straight beyond a shadow of a doubt. I do believe Robert Stack was. (I long ago found out about Paul Newman). But you do see my point don't you? UNLESS A PERSON IS WILLING TO COME FORWARD AND STATE UNEQUIVICALLY THAT THEY HAD SEX WITH THAT PERSON, OR WITNESSED THAT ACT, OR A CONFESSION BY THE PERSON THEMSELVES (JACK), OR HIS WIFE MARIE... THERE IS NO PROOF HE WAS, THEREFORE, HE WAS NOT. THAT'S MY POINT, GIVE THE MAN YOU CLAIM TO ADMIRE AND HAVE A CRUSH ON, THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. I BELIEVE BASED ON WHAT MS. GRIFFITH SAID AND THE LENGTH OF TIME SHE WAS IN HIS TRAILER, THAT YES, I THINK SOMETHING DID HAPPEN, BUT AGAIN, AM I 100 PERCENT SURE, NO I AM NOT, BUT I COMBINED IT WITH HIS WIFE BEING 15 YEARS OLDER AND AS WE WELL KNOW AS WOMEN, THE OLDER WE GET, OUR DRIVE NORMALLY GOES DOWN, NOT SO WITH OUR SPUNKY HUSBANDDS. THIS MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME ABOUT JACK AS HE HIMSELF WOULD ADMIT HE WAS NOT PERFECT, BUT LOVED HIS WIFE ENOUGH TO STAY MARRIED AND SHE LOVED HIM ENOUGH TO (AS MANY WIVES DO) LOOK THE OTHER WAY, AS LONG AS IT WAS NOT IN HER FACE. I still enjoy corresponding with all of you and would love to know of any new developments from ANYONE that can shed some light on Jack, (presumably good ones).

Proof can be found in the New York Census Records of Jack's time as to his nuclear family. That is one form of documentation that I have found in the past on ancestry.com. It had his parents name and Jack's and his siblings.

Also, can you please stop using so many capitalized words when talking to me? As far as 'netiquette' goes writing in so many caps says that you are yelling at me and I do not appreciate being yelled at.

P.S. I'm curious now about Simone Griffeth. I'm going to get hold of her! I'll let you know what she says to me, if anything. I found the website where it says that someone in Hawaii Five-0 emailed the author of the website with the 'Jack and Simone' trailer story. I've written to him as well. I've also written to Marj Dusay just for the heck of it to see if she wants to say anything about her work with Jack.

Fabulous. Let me know. As far as Marj Dusay is concerned, she responded (apparently someone had asked her about Jack) with a positive account of Jack. In fact she said "if you were professional, i.e. knew your lines, weren't late, didn't goof off, he was great to work with as he was a gentleman and a professional. Sounds like Jack to me. I don't doubt for one second that being a Capricorn and stubborn (at times), he wanted the very Best from every actor and actress who appeared with him (can't blame him), but again, I choose to believe Ms. DuSay as she had no agenda like many probably did. P.S. as to Ms. Griffith, please let me know as I am interested to see if you also get a response from her.

First, I had to get acclamated to the web and it's useage. Sorry for the capitalization. I have a degree in English literature, History and a Master's in Fine Arts. As to the web, well my son David (who worked for Apple and is now with Phillips as a Computer Analyst), he's the 'expert" on computers. I must take issue with you on your observation that Jack's "arousal" meant he was a "human sexual male". Well, not exactly as if you are gay, no woman would turn you on, just as if you were a lesbian, no man would turn you on. You can't have it both ways unless you were implying that Jack was now "bi-sexual". Are you?? As for Victoria Principal, perhaps, but everyone from Patrick Duffy (who she appeared with in Dallas), to the actor who played her husband in the episode of Hawaii Five-O, Could Not Stand Her. From what I heard it's because she felt her sh-- didn't stink and many men never found her remotely attractive, let alone having a fling with or more. Now, if you can find something to the contrary, that let me know. I'm not saying that she wasn't pretty/attractive, but Jack was Not the kind of man who found his women attractive solely on superficial things like physical beauty. P.S. he also thought Dina Merrill was beautiful as she was the Only one that I know of that he called "beautiful" in his show. She played a genius scientist and in one scene he referred to her "very beautiful" features. But again, in his private life, I believe he was attracted to the 'old fashioned" type of woman who wanted to stay home, bake his biscuits and remain in the background. Yes, he did enjoy talking about his wife's 18 inch waist, but again, I don't think he had a preferene one way or the other as far as physical beauty was concerned. He just happened to fall in love with Marie who was French, petite and not very pretty in the face, but that's my opinion. She was elegant (another trait he found appealing) and she was thoroughly devoted to him. These traits were far more appealing to Jack then whether someone was blonde, brunette, or redhead.

Have a great day people!!

Does anyone know who was Mr. Lord's stunt double?

I found it....John Boley Nordlum was Jack's stunt double in Hawaii 5-0!!

I believe all you've said to be true! I think he sounds like a definite Capricorn. I don't really expect Ms. Dusay of Griffeth to respond but I will let you know if they do.

English Lit and History? You sound like my kind of friend! I love that stuff. All the points you've made make sense to me. I am going to put aside Jack's sexuality for now and concentrate on finding documents about him. Something tangible that I can look at. By the way, did you know Marie was Italian and not French? I found her birth information online on an ancestry site. I'm going to rejoin the site and copy the documents for you, if you'd like to see them. I thought that was interesting. I think Marie's past is as obscure as Jack's. This should make for some fun research. I was a Reference Librarian and reading is my passion so this will be fun for me!

I did hear that Ms. Principal was a real bitch. I guess we'll never really know exactly what 'type' Jack liked. He obviously found Marie attractive even with the age difference. I also did hear that about Dina Merrill. Perhaps he liked classy women? Who knows.

Hi LaRue! You have a great day, too. Do you have anything to add to this conversation? LOL, it's been fun for the most part.

P.S. I always liked to think that Jack did his own stunts...I guess not, huh?

I see that some eagle eye out there came up with the answer. I'm not surprised that he had one as most actors did as their face, body was certainly their number 1 commodity. Have a nice day.

Thanks for the update on your response from Mr. Marc. Glad to see that he did say Jack and Willard (and woman supposedly who doesn't exist to some fans), is someone that Mr. Marc felt certain about to include. (This is what I meant Ms. Bumblybee about Mr. Marc-I don't believe he would have included any of this (first wife/son) if he himself didn't feel satisfied that it did take place. He must have received something verifiable in order to include it, as I've said before, he had no agenda where Jack was concerned. At least, not that I'm aware of. As far as what type of woman Jack preferred, every inkling says that his pre-requisite was that she be "refined" or as the younger crowd would say, "classy". Ms. Principal as far as I could tell, had none of these characteristics. Now as for Ms. Griffith, since she wasn't seen very often and her career never took off, don't know what she was really like, however from that passage about the two of them, for Jack I think it was more or less "physical" as she was known to have a great body and tall (approximately 5'10")as later on she opened her own gym/women's spa). Did I tell you that I certainly don' think Robert Stack was gay. I just let you know that many things are said about any star and yes, you are right, we just don't know. In Mr. Stack's case, since like Jack, no one ever came forward to either admit or say they witnessed him with another man in a compromising position, I give the benefit of the doubt to him. The more I look at pics of Marie, the more she does look Italian, however, her petite body is more French. I think she was born in St. Louis on August 19, 1905. Still, you are correct in that I've not been able to gather any info on her or her position as designer on 7th Ave. Then again, perhaps Jack (in his love for her) embellished how important her job or station in life was. She may have just been another garment worker in NYC. I'm not denouncing that or putting that down, I'm just saying, many "embellish" what they do or what they were in life. Heck, Jack did that often. As I said, we're all human and no one walks on water.

Have a nice day. P.S. if I find Anything else of interest about this wonderful guy (Jack), I will let you know.

Well, I'm fickle because beside Jack Lord, I had crushes on Charles Bronson, Paul Picerni (now there's a true blue guy if there ever was one, married to a woman for about 50 years and had 8 kids...WOW) of the Untouchables, Pernell Roberts just to name a few. I like the strong, silent type...LOL!

I wish Jack was still around!

Yeah, but he would have been around 91 today I imagine. Still, there aren't many (of the strong silent type and shy) around anymore. I agree Pernell Roberts was good looking as well. I liked Charles Bronson, but never really had any type of crush on him. As to Paul Picerni of the Untouchables, yes what a great guy and family man. Speaking of him and the show, I'm sure you knew that Jack starred in one of those episodes as well. He turned out to be an informer who helped Eliott Ness. (Adorable back then as well). I recently read a short synopsis of Mr. Picerni and he seems very content with his life. I sure do miss the old shows. Do you recall the "Checkmate" series? starring Doug McClure and Sebastian Cabot--well Jack played in a segment with Elizabeth Montgomery called "The Star System". I definitely have to order that!

Hi Bumbleebee. Guess what? I got another reply from Simone Griffeth. Please give me an email for you so that I can forward her exact reply. You will be very happy, I guarantee it.

Don't know if you received my last message informing you of my contact with Simone Griffeth. She emailed me this time. A very nice lady. You will be happy with her response about Jack. Again, let me know where to send this email from her. P.S. As to Robert Stack being gay, I wrote that because there were rumors about even him. He was a guy that was very happily married to the same woman for over 50 years. My point Bumbleebee is, anyone can say anything about someone, but just saying it doesn't make it true and if folks are true fans of someone, they would (I hope) give the benefit of the doubt to the "star" they profess to adore. That's all I was trying to get across. Stack, while I believe was a nice man, had his faults and I'm sure had his detractors--as did Jack Lord. But now I have Marg Dusay, Simone Griffeth, scads of others and a biographer who is impartial, all Never even hinting of "gayness' on Lord's part. I'd rather believe that, then the rumors that are spread so easily by jealous or vindictive people who have scores to settle. Have a nice day, and again if you have an email, I will send the Griffeth email to you.

I sent you an email!

I got your email, but when I responded to you with Ms. Griffeth's reply attached (and a photo by the way), it popped up "failed message" not in area". Don't know what that means. Do you have a yahoo email? If so, could you use that?

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU!!

Looks like this forum has run it's course....LOL!

Hi,
Who is the Biographer you refer too??
I need to get in touch with him. With very important information.

Jack was NOT gay--I am his relative.