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Can correct debit or credit entries be made in one's KARMA A/C without defining GOOD OR BAD KARMAS?
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One friend, after reading a book,” Conversation with GOD” shared following points, raised by GOD to him:-

1. God to friend, “Since Religious Saints have appointed me accountant to keep KARMA account of every living, plant, animal as also those of human beings, who will decide the definition of GOOD and BAD KARMAS for making correct entries in debit or credit account of each living beings, because according to GOD, HE never laid down any such definition and such definition laid down by each Religion was quite different and remained changing from time to time?”

2. Friend to GOD, “If so, is the KARMA philosophy of Lord Krishna being disputed by YOU GOD?

3. GOD to Friend, “Then what about Christians, Muslims, Jews, or GODs of other Religions who do not believe in your LORS KRISHNA or they do not know ABC about what has been written in GITA?

YEH PAAP HAI KYA AUR PUNYA HAI KYA, REETON PAR DHARAM KI MOHREN HAIN !

YUG YUG MEIN BADLATE DHARMO KO KAISE ADARSH BANAO GE !

SANSAAR SE BHAGE PHIRTE HO BHAGWAAN KO TUM KYA PAO GE !!

TUM KAHTE HO YEH JAG SAPNA HAI, HUM KAHTE HAIN YEH JAG APNA HAI !

TUM JANAM GAWA KE JAO GE HUM JANAM BITAA KE JAEN GE !
SANSAAR SE BHAGE PHIRTE HO BHAGWAAN KO TUM KYA PAO GE !!

So finally the said part of conversation, with GOD, is shared with this forum to know as to how anyone could make correct entries in debit or credit accounts of any soul in absence of any universal definition of BAD or GOOD KARMAs?

O.K.let us decide as to milk is a vegetarian food or non-veg? Or it is even AMRIT by deciding the definition of Veg. or non-veg. through definition of one's convenience even though everyone knows that milk is not a plant product but an animal product meant for animals kids.

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Volcilord
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Dante in the Divine Comedy has instead of the Inferno, the Purgatory is where karma is like credit card use to your soul, the original sin plus confessed sins repented is payment to your souls' purgatory soul debt, and taking time to confess your sins reduces negative karma to the souls' equivalent of credit card use. The Catholic Church even had physical purgatories, which were actual prisons by Papal government. The soul debt payment shortens time in Purgatory, but it is the overall quality of your cardinal virtues that determines what of the seven heavens you receive after death. The Book of Esdras 2 has the concept of seven cardinal virtues and a city of 144,000 sent to the highest heaven.
Unfortunately for the Catholic Church, Marco Polo may have plagiarized the Buddhist Divine Comedy, a painted unwritten copy of it is in the Smithsonian Museum in Washington, DC. There the souls of the dead are judged by Heaven; given appropriate punishments for past wrong deeds, if they can comprehend such after death; and then the judged dead are reincarnated, good souls as mankind, and the worst souls as insects. This would allow a vampire movie where Dracula and his lackeys are reincarnated as mosquitoes, to come out at night to feed on the blood of unwary human prey and possibly spread fatal diseases. Reincarnated as a female and full of blood, Dracula gets to brag to his lackeys, "Now I must rest and make an even bigger brood of eggs." Reincarnation as a brain-sucking alien, would be a reincarnation award to a less than perfect soul; while a good alien next life would be the same as getting wings, halo, and a harp in Heaven. Aliens that appear as dorsum or moon toys, and that behave like demons, get exorcism as demons by the Roman Catholic Church.
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starspeed
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If milk is considered as non-veg as it is produced by animal. And as we know we humans are also animals and as a new born baby we also drank our mother's milk, then does that is also considered a bad karma?
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resonable
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Killing A living being increases our KARMA....Non-veg is considered to increase KARMA because an animal is killed to relish ones taste and not for survival.... Milk dosnt harm or kill an animal...animal is fed good Fodder so as to get milk...human gives them food to eat and render their milk.. I suppose this is how it has been for ages.

Living being have been put into Hierarchy according to the ability and power of mind

descending order:
1. human
2. animal
3. birds
4. insects
5. plants


SO to survive and feed this human body the last resource that we as human can get is from Plants...it also increases Karma as plants are also living being but animal category is above them so does the weightage of KARMA bound according to killing them.
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susingh
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One cannot enjoy taking milk under the pretext of having arranged fodder to animals, more so when it is meant only for their kids and it cannot be taken as veg.food by taking it as AMRIT through definition of our convenience. Yes it is also correct that humans also take milk of one's mother as is the case of animal by virtue of their right of nature.

One book does reveal the killing of all living things amounting to debit in one's bad KARMAS in the above order based on conscious level of each living thing or so to say mind power.

Say by killing a human, debit would be say 5,00,000 units and incase of killing an animal debit may be 1,000 units. Similarly by killing plants, debit in bad KARMA may be say only 2 units.

But fact remains undisputed that killing any living thing does cause addition in one's bad KARMA account for everyone in the above order based on conscious level of living things. So one cannot keep debit account of bad karmas at zero level at any stage under the pretext of one's survival.

This is only one factor about one's KARMA's debit account leaving so many other bad karma causing increase in one's debit account with or without one's control under one pretext or the other or even by changing the definitions of GOOD and BAD as per one's convenience or through Religious stamping.
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resonable
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"One cannot enjoy taking milk under the pretext of having arranged fodder to animals, more so when it is meant only for their kids and it cannot be taken as veg.food by taking it as AMRIT through definition of our vonveniance. Yes it is also correct that humans also take milk of one's mother as is the case of animal by virtue of their right of nature. "

I dont know who takes it as a AMRIT but we humans take it as it has become a part of our diet which in term does not harm the animal in any form....if MILK's benefits cannot be enjoyed then the use of WOOD or WOOL/CLOTH/SILK can also be considered NOT RIGHT...but thats not how we survive on earth... Living beings share and take support of other beings to live their life.

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"But fact remains undisputed that killing any living thing does create bad KARMA account for everyone in the above order based on concious level of living things and one cannot keep dnt at zero level at any stage under the pretext of one's survival.

This is only one factor about one's KARMA's debit account leaving so many other bad karma causing increase in one's debit account with or without one's control."



Yes the fact remains that there will be KARMA's in everything you do on this materialistic Earth where the KAAL has put up a Circle or web in which living being have to live according to his wish and perform Karmas's

And thats the sole reason for existence of Guru in living form, to teach and guide the person back home by emptying their ACCOUNT of KARMA'S, by the means of Initiating him with NAAM which when meditated with perform like a cure to the medicine of KARMA ACCOUNT
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susingh
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Do the KARMAS get killed through NAAMDAAN like germs get killed through medication? If so, after taking NAAMDAAN, has one, still, to bear fruits of one's bad KARMAS?

Now let us come to animals. What if tiger eats animals in a jungle? Or what if a cat eats a mouse or a big fish eats a small fish or a lizard eats insects for their livelihood?

Does anyone know plants also eat other plants and such plants are known as parasites? So what about plants eating plants or weeds who cause problems in any of main crops?
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resonable
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NO , just merely getting INITIATED dosnt help you unless you cater to the path followed by it.....giving 2.5 hrs daily to meditation by a method...as instructed by the master/guru.
yes the karmas have to be beared by one but meditation and the path to which it leads makes the burden of KARMA's from mountain size to mole,by the grace and power of Guru in form of Shabad/Naam.

See the web of karmas and tha nature of the Body that soul has to go through!! a lion cannot eat grass because its his nature and he will have to bear the fruit of killing in next birth..its a vicious cycle. Only human form has discretion to not increase KARMA's to this extent and Pray to GOD.

Again this earth and materialistic things...they have to survive so they eat....


I have suggested to read One book to RAJATKWATRA in earlier topics, which will answer or give the seeker every answer he seeks.
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susingh
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O.K. It is enough for today, since it should be 4-00 a.m. by now in INDIA, even if is SUNDAY.

Regarding reading books indicate only those books which are available on any website like, "Life-is fair" or any other book.

But even contents, of any book, may not be taken as far granted by anyone, without application of one's mind and here again there is bound to be difference of opinion between any two or more intellectuals, as in the instant case it is quite difficult to accept that meditation and the path to which it leads makes the burden of KARMA's from mountain size to mole,by the grace and power of Guru in form of Shabad/Naam.

In that case every dacoit would like to come to enjoy such good gestures of RSSB GURU as is also claimed by Christians as if confession can also help in diluting KARMA debits.
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resonable
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How will those book help you which do not have the content from where my knowledge about GOD comes.

The books I mentioned have the CORE teachings and Facts about Human Existence.

IF you are a Seeker, then you can even order the books I mentioned, from

http://www.scienceofthesoul.org/

Pls satisfy your need before ordering the book...I am no way accountable for your Trust and Belief even after reading the books
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resonable
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What do you take Guru as?? A fool who dosnt know the intention or dosnt know what the person is?? sorry but If I tell you that the GURU knows everything....then u;l ask for proof...which I cannot give as I have my experience but you have not tried even.

Initiation is not merely a process of making followers....initiation seekers go through an Interview..they are examined over the knowledge of RSSB's teachings.
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Volcilord
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Two fun dicsussion topics to look up on this website are: "The Ultimate Fate of the Universe," and "Is Time Travel Possible." 185185 is from the Philippines and a devout Christian, because devout Christians have a tendency to believe that the Garden of Eden of 4004 BC is absolute scientific fact, when cosmology of the 1800's and before, instead of noticing that Adam and Eve were much like Kali of Hinduism. The longevity in early Genesis would be like Hinduism of today, by both having past lives recalled. Only reincarnation as a lesser animal can block the record of past lives, when religion makes divinity out of past lives. I am showing my interest in the Eastern Humanities here, instead of special devotion to religion.
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