Barack Obama
Are Republicans out of their minds?
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Agente0000007
All Republican Representatives voted against Obama´s Health reform last Sunday. Amazing! I believe this, because it looks like Republicans are out of their minds. Why? They have a poor sense of history and they are walking against the stream, in a direction of a pit. Voting that way, they have frankly shown Republicans are defending the big dollar and the fat cats, and forgetting the majorities, which do not have plenty of money to pay higher insurance premium. But, we know, republican voters are mostly beer drinkers, less intellectual than wine Democrat drinkers. In other words, the majority of republican are workers with lower incomes than professionals, and the worst of all, more vulnerable to incomes fluctuations when the economy is trembling.
I believe all hard opposition to Obama´s reform is Nazi inspirated, racist in other words. When Republican party accused Obama to push the country in direction to Socialism, they do not know what they talking about. As an ex socialist I know, and I could teach them a lot.

My prognostics for Republicans are

RP are going to loose senators next election.
RP are going to split in two or more parties.
RP are to disappears as a right-wind party and assuming a more realistic politics according with the History.
RP must to push out Nazi extremists from the party.

Professor Carlos Medina
Miami
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cricket46
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What a crock!!!
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Agente0000007
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I am still living in the free world, sorry to say this camarade!
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2010wow
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Republicans are out of their minds.I mean what is up with Barak Obama,he hasn't kept any of his promisses yet he has broke them all, he put us in a war we didnt even belong in. Mccain and Palin should have won, it would've been better he has experianced more things about war than Barrak.I mean he has been in the wars before then he should know what to do with the wars we're in now. He would've never put us in this war we're in now if Barrak wasn't president.
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Agente0000007
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What we need now, in this historical moment is a Gandhi man who makes war against ignorance, bad health services, bad education and bad job´s opportunities. You don´t agree?
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2010wow
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Oh i agree with you i know it Obamais just really tight with things and the prices with things now are just unreasonable.Don't you agree with me.
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Agente0000007
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The point is, your Health costs are to be lower than before. Fat cats hospitals and insurance companies are to reduce their prices (no more tissues at 10 USD). Isn´t better for you as a worker, employee or professional?
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JamesMcAllister
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You are A complete and total ass....

you are no professor and most definitely not from London....


come to this forum if you want to compete with A brain....


good luck with that simple minded shite!!!
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JamesMcAllister
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Speak F&^*%ing English...."comrade?"....commie scum cant spell his own language....you are probably some CIA bitch trying to make something that appears to be A point....learn what is going on here or go away.....
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Agente0000007
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What a nice language!

And you know I am not a professor, Ha!Ha!

Your opinion, even stupid, you have right to express. Me too!

Simple minded are English and Irish nazis, sorry to say this.

Wake up "sir".
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JamesMcAllister
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What the hell is your point? I really wish I understood what you are trying to say...'simple minded English and Irish Nazi'?....

If you believe that Obama is so great for the United States, good for you but I really believe that you do not know very much about US history....

Obama is the most inexperienced president in the history of the world and is following A path that will bring down the sovereignty of the greatest free nation the world has ever known....


OH I am awake,sir and my 'opinion' is based on an educated facts not some convoluted wet dream....what do you really know about anything political in the US ??
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Agente0000007
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More than you believe Scottish. Much more. I am not CIA agent, but being accused by leftist extremist and terrorists. Your point regarding President Obama as inexperienced president. Who has presidential skills before they were elected first time? The beauty Sara Pailin?

I am convinced Obama is conducting USA on a right path to the future, a REAL future, with out half true as Bush´s. I liked Bush because he was an entertainer. Very funny guy. What we need is precisely politicians with courage to do things other had not dared. This is Obama.

This my point, as it should be your if you are leftist. Communists, fascists, Nazis and socialists are mad about Obama because he is not thinking as a socialist, but as a REAL democrat, thinking the best for majorities. And finally, I was really professor in communications sciences, now retired writing books. Thanks you for thinking before you wrote your last message. Regards Carlos
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JamesMcAllister
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You utter pure nonsense, Carlos...
Obama is A Socialist pure and true! Are you blind? The Republic has fallen into A democracy and will soon be sucked into the depths of Oligarchy! You are A sheeple and you are truly buying into all the rhetoric around A president that is A total liar and deceiver. All the promises this man has made and broken and people like you want to prop him up like he is some sort of savior! This man is wreaking havoc on "our" country and you are clueless to what is really going on with this administration...

Well,professor...when I was in college I was taught that if you have A one sided opinion and no facts to back it than the argument becomes very mute and there can be no debate...

What in God's name compels you to think that President Obama is 'good' for this nation? I can produce documents proving just the opposite: in fact, this President is unworthy to fill the post of President of the United States all together!

This is not the phony left right paradigm of political parties...i.e. republican/democrat....no this is the furthering of an agenda that is far out side the scope of such simplicities....

I would suggest that you do A lot more research on 'your'
fearless leader as I know if you would open your mind to information other than that doctored up by the puppet media,you will see that this man is not 'good' for this Nation what-so-ever!
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Agente0000007
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Up with facts my friend! I am all ears.
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JamesMcAllister
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Before I began the long list of critical key notes to explain why this president should not be president let me say that prior to the last presidential race this man was never heard of in any context that I know of. He was A junior elected official in Illinois and taught some courses in A college that really brought him no significant merit...just who is Barrack Obama anyway?

Campaign Promises is all the American people had to go on with this candidate and his charisma of course...he was just A regular old joe, but now the president of the United States? We can change "yes we can"...was the motto but what change has this man truly brought this nation? Let us see, the following promises are from his own mouth...

No signing statements...broken promise.

Close Guantanamo torture camp...broken promise.

End income tax for senior citizens making less than 50,000 annually....broken promise.

End no-bid contracts above 25,000...broken promise.

Directive to conduct A comprehensive study of federal cancer initiatives....broken promise.

Allow the American Public five days to view(on line)any bill that crosses his desk....broken promise.

rules to prohibit administration appointees from working directly with lobbyist and former officials....broken promise.

Double funding for after-school programs....broken promise.

Urge states to treat same sex couples with full equality in family and adoption laws....broken promise.

Allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms of A home mortgage....broken promise.

support human missions to the moon by 2020....broken promise.

Pay for the 'National Service Plan' without increasing the deficit....broken promise.

Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on c-span....big time broken promise.


There are so many more but what the heck, this president also backed out of revising the Patriot act to make the government be more transparent and he did A complete flip on 'warrant-less wire tapping'.....

The health care reform crap that was shoved down on my head is tyrannical in whole as it is not constitutional to make laws that 'make' citizens buy goods and services.Not only that, but an additional 16,500 IRS officers will be hired to enforce the "bad Law" by seizing your bank accounts, levying fines or imprisonment if you fail to comply with the forced payment of this bad plan!

just for starters, Carlos, there is so much more!

Oh yes, by the way, more than 55% of the American people said no to socialized health care yet the Democrats pushed it through anyway...that my friend is simply tyranny!
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lehmann520
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James....I...I love you....

If I swoon I may fall on the dog but what the hell, he's a big dog...

Dawn

ROFLMFAO

PS: I would offer to help but you have things well in hand..carry on McDuff! I'll get the mop.
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JamesMcAllister
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Well now, that is hilarious!
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Agente0000007
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Thanks Jimmy, it was very educating, but even too much demanding. Please, give Barak some time to organize properly what is better. If you have ever been politician, as I was in my country of origin, you know one thing is the election campaign´s promises or proposals, and other is to get into reality. Obama is learning just now the difference, so all American people do better giving him some time to achieve reforms. All other alter alternatives are wrong, and violence against President Obama should start a II civil war in America. Do you want something like that for America when Chavez, Castro, Morales and Ortega are preparing and escalating for war against USA with the help of Iran and Russia?

WE, the people, who believe in Democracy must stand together against terrorism, communism,and all socialist tendencies fascism and Nazism. What else is better for working people?
Regards from Carlos
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JamesMcAllister
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I am really not in the mood for patience to give Obama time...this man took an oath to defend the constitution and has done more to subvert and weaken it...this he has done quickly and decisively and with socialist fervor!

Carlos, do not ever again put words in my mouth! Nothing I wrote in my e-mail to you in any way condoned any violence what-so-ever against anyone...that kind of statement makes me wonder just who you really are. In this day there are those in the current administration working feverishly to find ways to stifle decent and silence citizens that would merely criticize an unpopular Obama!

Impeachment through the legal channels is the ultimate solution for a tyrannical president and this man is due just that!

This is the type of garbage that liberals shovel when their fight is lost...accuse the opposition of vile actions or accuse them of some ill intent in order to gain support for a dying cause....

You, friend, just proved my point as all liberal democrats shift blame and dodge the issue...happens all the time...we were talking points on my research illustrating the facts why Obama should not be the president of this Nation and you veered completely off subject and had to interject some notion of violence...

I am not at all convinced you have studied history and please, campaign promises and proposals are not similar at all...this fellow has bit off more than he can chew...that is just too bad as he is not fit to sit in the office of the President of the United States!
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rahowa
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Agente, get your head out of your hind quarters. Before anyone can take you seriously, you have to STUDY the ENGLISH language, learn to spell, learn the meaning of SYNTAX, then USE IT correctly. You can't make up words, even if you really believe you haven't, and NEVER tell anyone you're a Professor. Nobody cares, and now nobody believes you. That's the fallout that occurs when you crow on about yourself. I don't think you're an idiot, I'm thinking you really believe the statements that you make. I'm not a Republican, but I believe that lawn jockey in the White House is bringing about the ruin of this country. That porch monkey has never run a business, never had a lemonade stand, never ran ANYTHING in his life, yet now the jabbering tree ape wants to give handouts to all his tribesmen, wants to make ME pay to kill babies using MY tax money, wants to give those who have no intention of ever working BENEFITS out the butt using MY tax money, and now he wants to tax us all even more. Party has nothing to do with it. We are mostly all AMERICANS. We should fight that socialist fool with abnormal abandon. If you were here in the States you might appreciate our stance, but since you're in poofy ol' England, you already know how to suckle at the teat of your grossly piggish masters. Get fat, boy.
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2010wow
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I mean who is talking what langiush (cant type tonight)
He's just a guy calm the heck down yall
I mean whats wrong and yall quit being but holes kk.
Thanks
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rahowa
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Did not intend to insult your sensibilities, my friend. You have a great week, hear?
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JamesMcAllister
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Can't stomach the debate? Why do you bother commenting? Get involved and voice an opinion...do not chastise me...bring your facts and join the debate 2010wow or not...
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cricket46
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James you go guy...This professor guy is an idiot!! Don't waste your time with him!!!!
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I will tell you something about barrack obama
he is 100% man and he is bigger and sexier than you will ever be gayboys xx
and i have had anal connections with sarah palin whilst mcain rubbed my bumhole;)
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JamesMcAllister
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That is really gross...
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georgeportwood16
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No it isnt
just because barack obama has a massive willy and i love it in and around my mouth doesnt meen im gross
sarah pallin loves the minge specially ginger pubes xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
btw any single latino males want bum sex hook me up;)(Eric estrada)
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Agente0000007
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What a language from antiObama people! My Gud, I am possibly misspelling English words, as they are not of my first language, but a basic manner to discuss is just respecting the others.

Insulting President Barak (no barrack!) Obama do not stop him making reforms, because Democrats has majority at Senate and Representatives. Sorry "friends"!

Talking about something else. No one has refuted me when I wrote Latinamerican communists and socialists are organizing their own war against USA. Where is the CIA? Sleeping as usual? And, he worst of all, American Army, having a chaotic strategical and combat tactic, as it has been shown in Iraq, is not in conditions to defend America. Cuban and Venezuelan communist soldiers, do have capability to attack Florida and Texas.
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lehmann520
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I posted this elsewhere but I thought James and Rah would appreciate the research...

According to a report by Stan Cetnor, and research done by Sankey Investigations, Inc, the name “Barack Obama” is so unique, that out of all the millions of people in the United States, only one person has that name—so says the website HowManyOfMe.com. Our current President is that one Barack Obama. The One.

Unless a number of other Barack Obamas have mysteriously dropped dead recently, then our current POTUS has apparently had at least 27 different social security numbers registered to his name. My, now that’s peculiar. Why would anyone need that many social security numbers? (Here and here)

Where’s the proof of his reputed years at Columbia University? The New York Times reported, “he declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript, or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years.”

Fox News, who has, one assumes, a few resources, was unable to come up with a single student from Obama’s purported time at Columbia, who remembered him.

We’re not talking about a dozen people Fox News questioned, or even several dozen—we’re talking about 400 people questioned. You would think that somebody would remember him. Was the guy a ghost?

Here is a very partial list of documents relating to Obama’s past,that no one seems to have seen. Good luck finding them.

Original birth certificate (you know, as in one you can actually touch)
Obama/Dunham marriage license
Obama/Dunham divorce documents
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license
Soetoro adoption records
Occidental College records
Passport—the one used for the trip to Pakistan (not mentioned in either biography)
Columbia College records
Columbia thesis
Harvard College records
Illinois State Bar Association records

I have a link to the entire article if anyone is interested

so what are republicans thinking?
at least we ARE thinking
Dawn

PS: couldn't find the mop, brought the swiffer...now, where's the darn plug...ew, what is that stink?...looks like we need disinfectant too...and rubber gloves. ::::grumbling and heading off to the mop closet AGAIN:::::
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Agente0000007
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Heil Hitler!

The American Crystal night has already happened against Democrat senators.

Is it what you want for America? Don't you thinks on its consequences?

Come on Republicans! You could better in Democracy. Forget Hitler, he died as an idiot.
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JamesMcAllister
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Thank you cricket,
I do not feel that it is wasting my time,initially,when I try to open someones eyes to the folly of the liberals. You try and try and try again until finally the effort becomes just as you say...I mean really,you hand this guy a list of information and he totally goes off track with it by insinuating violence against the President and ridiculous references to South American dictators...I sigh and relax and move on to the next person...
I am flustered some what at the meaning of "...the dark Crystal night..." levied against the poor American democrats.
The only thing 'crystal' about the democrats is what is 'crystal clear'... they have become self-indulgent monsters that opened the door wide for tyranny to come in and destroy our nation. That is very, very clear to me and this is why I fight for what I believe is "the good fight"...
You know, there are many people that I have had encounters with through out my personal and professional life that honestly believe that what is going on inside their own head is how the world works....they really believe that...
I come to this conclusion...Mr.non-American self proclaimed professor guy is not all together there(you get my drift) and is rather clueless concerning political and historical issues in America...this fellow does not posses the ability to think outside the box...(he is sucking the FOX news tit)
I firmly believe that it is my duty as an American to stand up, and with conviction, spread the word about the cancerous plight scouring "our" Nation!!! If I can open one person to the idea of thinking "out-side the box" each day and that person go off and does the same,we can all turn the powerful tide of tyranny away and reclaim our country and our freedoms! I really believe this...
THANK YOU AGAIN...
James...

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Agente0000007
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No use to continue this stupid debate, as they are people who do not think, only reacting visceral for realities. Pity to read I am not professor and not american. My Gud! Forgive them for they do not know what they talking about.

As they are faulting thinking, they are Republicans, same guys who are crossing the line into violence against democratic elected senators and representatives.

Are they KKK? If they are, they should know Crystal night was the start for persecutions of my Jewish people in Germany, started 9 to 10 November 1938, so called Reichskristallnach

Pity people, pity America
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JamesMcAllister
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You know,Carlos,
It was Jesus Christ that asked God to 'forgive them for they know not what they do' as he was being nailed to a cross and as far as I know of history Jewish people do not believe that Christ was God or the Savior...why quote him?
The evil that happened to the Jewish people was probably the worst evil there ever was and in no way have I insulted you or the Jews! I love all peoples and nationalities! Racism is the purest vile and filth of man and again you take everything out of context! There is no violence here!
There is no KKK here and there are no haters of the Jews here! The horrible Crystal Night you refer to was the work of evil terrible men in Germany and has nothing what so ever to do with America or the politicians in it...I damn well know what I speak of and if we have to agree to disagree than that may be best.You are free to speak your mind and I do respect that and understand one very important thing...if I were alive on the Crystal Night I would have given my life to save just one Jew...that is the type of man I am and it is not my intention to harm you or your feelings...
We are debating an issue and it is difficult to do that when you continue to go off topic...stay on topic and the debate will not cause any ill feelings...
Good day, my friend
James...
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JamesMcAllister
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Carlos,
I do not wish you to stop this debate...you started it and as you can see there is much to be said about politics and political parties in America(sometimes it does get a little heated)...let us just turn down the heat here a bit and I will gladly be the one to capitulate...I do not believe that you are stupid at all I am just having a difficult time following your English. That being said...

I have heard about the "crystal night" but to be honest with you it has been many years since I studied German history.What I studied today does indeed shed much light on a very horrible time in history.I will be the last to belittle the unimaginable treatment of the Jews at the hands of the Nazi Party...they were a political party and some the most ruthless men to have walked the Earth.What the Nazis did those two days set the president for a wave of evil against an innocent people that had never been seen in our modern world! I am sorry for that,my friend, and God knows I wish that more was done sooner than later to stop that atrocity from ever happening!

I will go back to the top and read your beginning entry and start all over...I am fair to all my friends as best as I can be and I will be fair with you...this does not mean I will agree with your points but I will be fair...

My mothers family come to this country from Germany between the first and second world wars...Uptagraff-Schmidt was the family name and these people are a fine people...I am, as you have mentioned, Scottish and I am very proud of my heritage....what I am getting at is this Nation was built by the blood,sweat and tears of many people from all over the world and that diversity is what makes us so great! "us" means me and you and all the people that believe in what is right and good,honest and fair...we may not agree on many things but that diversity is what also keeps us alive inside as a free nation!

Have a great day!!!
James...
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lehmann520
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Hi James,

You would have made a great cowboy my friend, fiercely free, but I'm afraid our friend the agente would have been eaten by rabbits after being thrown by his horse.

those who understand, understand.

Dawn
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rahowa
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.....eaten by wabbits... what a visual... :-))
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lehmann520
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Your another cowboy...ain't cha

me, I'm the bitchy broad in charge of dinner ringing the triangle thingy and screaming for y'all to come in and get it while its hot

::::::chuckling:::

Hi Rah, did you take that post down yet?

Dawn
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Agente0000007
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Well, well James, I appreciate a lot your words, I must to recognize it. So, you are not member of KKK. Wonderbar! Because they are only the rubbish of American life.

Talking about my quotation from Jeshua (Jesus). Surprise, surprise, I am a Jewish Catholic, and very Catholic, despite homopriests. Jeshua was our Messias, I am sure about. A lot of Jewish people are understanding it. Our enemies are not Christians, are some Muslims and their imperial efforts with Islam, you know.

I respect your point of views concerning president Obama, but, I consider that an intelligent man you are, your visceral argument don't make you a favor. You sounds as an extremist, possibly a KKK member, sorry to say this.

The good with Obama, apart from his dark past (!) is his approaching to common people's daily problems from an other starting. I believe American politics had an urgent need of changing the way to make politics, as politics is dialog, which is opposite to confrontation. Do you agree?

Healthy to criticize Obama, when he is doing wrong things, but good to applaud when he doing well. Obama is not totally bad, neither totally good. He is a new man in American politics, thanks our marvelous Democracy, which makes possible people from different ideologies TALK, TO EACH OTHER. Thanks James for you time reading this message.
Your friend Carlos
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lehmann520
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Your thought process is dangerous. You associate social justice with politics. Politics has never been about justice, it is about the balance of power. It is about control. Asking politics to implement social justice is like asking a hungry bear to guard your car full of food. In the end, the bear will destroy the car and eat the food and you will be left either angry at the bear (if you are stupid) or angry at yourself for being stupid in the first place (if you are smart)

When political systems attempt social justice they inevitably crush the society they are attempting to inject justice into. This is because, in order for a political system to create social justice, it must create laws that govern behavior. It must create morality.

Morality comes from God. It is part of the soul. The material world, the world of our bodies and these little lives we find ourselves in at the moment, has no morality.

The fox feels no regret for killing the last chicken.

Morality cannot be dictated, it must be chosen. The reason the fox does not care if it kills the chicken is not because the fox is evil and has no morals, its because it cannot choose NOT to kill the chicken based on the fact that, if it does, there will be no more chickens. It kills to survive. No morals involved. That is the material world.

Morals come from the spiritual world.
The man does not kill the last chicken because to do so would mean there are no more chickens and that would be bad. Instead, the man goes fishing.

that is a moral choice.

the political choice would be...see that there is only one chicken and assume this is because the man killed them all and ate them. To make sure this doesn't happen to the fish....make a law that says the man can't fish, just in case he fishes too much.
Then the man dies of starvation.
but, we saved a chicken and a bunch of fish, so it is justice.

social justice is a moral choice best left to charity and social consciousness. social justice as power is communism and we should all know how THAT worked...right?

Dawn

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Agente0000007
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Right Dawn, you are a thinker!

Politics is a multinomial (multisocial aleatorial) dialog to get the political power. Who said the contrary? It was terrific interesting to read your similes with chickens, foxes and fishes. We believe animals do not have any moral, but it is wrong. Have you heard this "tigers never eat tigers". Is it not a moral thinking behind?

If we are talking about animals as they were persons, we are walking on Marxism "thinking", who have defined human relations as equal to animals’, when we know political dialog are far from animal thinking.

It is true, we are sexual and surviving animals, but once these behaviours are satisfied, we apply again thinking before our actions. Don’t we?

Now, politics are instruments to get power. Why not to apply it (power) to make positive changes in our societies? If our system have declared freedom to people to gain as much possible from peoples’ necessities, why do not to put any outlining?

Before the American War of Independence, it was totally accepted that the English empire had right to kill any rebel. That was a power relationship against Americans. Successive European colonization processes considered moral acceptable to kill indigenous people to steal their land. Slavism was generally accepted and sanctioned in the South, until the civil war 1866. What I am saying is, all societies MUST to adapt to new conditions they have not possibilities to change. As example, new techniques, new science results, new immigrants, so on.

America, after been defeated in Viet Namn 1973-75, has changed. Thousands of American protester forced Lindon Jonsson’s Government to restraint from massive attacks on North Viet Namn. Think about, Americans, as Jane Fonda putting a knife on American soldier’s back. It was fair? I do not believe it. Patriotism does not exist any more. Anyone is trying to get as much money is possible. Private hospitals and insurance companies included. Shouldn’t be time to say stop to this kind of rip-off America? Furthermore, wait for Obama’s proposal of legislation against wild capital accumulation inside banks!

If you read Spanish, I should recommend you to look at my essay Towards a Rational Theory of Micro and Macro Economy, were I am proposing what Obama wants to transform into a law. If we the people, bring to an end fat cats making too much money on us, and at the same time they restraining us to be riches thanks they money accumulation, it is our right to restrain them, as it is right for them to intent maintaining us as poor people.

Who wins? THE PEOPLE’S MAJORITY, BE SURE ABOUT IT.

Regards from Carlos, call me Charlie

PS I want a good Economics translator of my essay into better English than mine. Who could help?
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Hello Charlie,

my analogies using animals was not intended to define man as an animal. I do not think men are animals. Men have morals, animals do not.

The decision of tiger not to eat other tigers is not moral, it is survival. Tigers are fierce, dangerous, powerful animals. They are also loners because they are cranky and might hurt each other if they squabble.

Female tigers with cubs will drive off or kill male tigers so that the males do not kill the cubs to bring her back into heat. This is survival, not morality. In fact, in the human world, males kill children all the time. Females with incorrect morals allow this to happen.

I had a man (not their father who is a good man, ending my marriage to him was one of my greatest mistakes) in my life who began to direct aggression toward my children and I went to jail because of my morally directed attack on him.( i was exonerated) This was a correct course of action. I will defend my children against all comers and threats, even sacrifice my life to do so. The female tigress will suffer much to defend, but she will not sacrifice her life to do so. (I'm certain there are rare cases in which tigresses die protecting cubs but these are exceptions to the rule)

I see that you really believe in Obama's plan and on the surface, this plan seems legitimate and moral. I actually voted for him. I too thought his plan and ideals were in line with the good person I want to be. I have learned I was wrong and the lesson was painful and terrifying.

Let me say this, on the surface, the trend toward social justice seems to be a good thing. The concept of redistributing wealth seems moral.

but, until they call for the redistribution of the wealth of the roman catholic church, one of the top three wealthiest corporations in the world, I'm not buying it.
if we dismantled the RCC and distributed its wealth and resources across the globe, there would be no more third world.
Look into it.

the environmental movement is one of the wealthiest movements in the world...let's redistribute that wealth

let's dismantle the multinationals and redistribute that wealth

do not tax ordinary people. the man who makes 250,000$ a year is not rich...he is ordinary
if you want to go after wealth, then go after the truly massively rich
not people who work hard

it is not the concept I find immoral, it is the implementation of this concept at the level of ordinary men and women

Dawn

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Dear Dawn, I am very sad for you, as you have lived with a man who did not respect your children. Please, count on my moral support. You did right, and thanks God, you were exonerated. Did you kill that bastard? If you did it, you did right.

Talking about Obama and his reforms. I do believe he is meaning well for the poor American people, those who make less than 250 grand a year. Possible, people as you and me. But, I am not blind concerned Obama. In fact, I voted for MacCain, and now look at his stupid and racist remark “pig are always pigs”, meaning Obama as a pig because his reform!

Your explanation concerning parallels between humans and animals are a little bit twisted, as you deny animals have any moral thinking. It is wrong, believe me. One case of thousands I could tell you. My daughter Monica was pregnant years ago, and one day she was feeling the baby was arriving. She was totally alone at home and far from a telephone by hand. She went over some sofa with out any chance to reach that telephone. Her dog Snoflex started to be very anxious running around her. Monica tried something no one could think in that situation, namely TELL the dog to cash the mobile from a table and bringing it to her to call the ambulance. Snoflex did it immediately! Do you call this “animal instinct” or “survival”.

If you read, or have any one who could be able to translate to you from Swedish , please se my comment to an article at scientific Swedish magazine Forsking och Framsteg (Researching & Evolution) at
http://www.fof.se/tidning/2010/1/kommunikation-med-blotta-tanken#comments

I am sure, my Catholic church is wrong dogmatically stating animals do not think. They do it, possibly as lower lever, but they do it.

You are right thinking we are human with moral. I add, ethics as well. Meaning Ethics as a human being and Moral as social people. (All group of people are social, but not socialists!)

Your idea to share all riche’s money to poor people is not economics based, as if any government should decide some like that, ALL money should not be enough to give 100 grand to anyone. Asfter you consumed your 100 grand, poor again.

Nicaragua’s sandinists believed that way, and they nationalized all companies. The national economy collapsed to the 50s’ level. No my dear. Capital is very necessary. The question is to put frames to the wild capitalism, that capitalism that makes money on you basic necessities. That speculative capitalism of derivates and futures.

You do not tell me if you read Spanish. My essay on Economics you find at
www.ipaebooks.,org
in Spanish HACIA UNA TEORIA RACIONALISTA DE LA MICRO Y MACRO ECONOMIA.

A lot of other articles you find writing my complete name Carlos Medina de Rebolledo at any search motor.

Your friend

Charlie
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lehmann520
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Charlie,

I have looked up your essay and downloaded it. I do not read in Spanish but I do have an excellent brain and am not afraid of attempting it as long as you agree to answer my questions about what I get wrong. This may take me a while since I'm heavily involved in the research phase of a novel. It has my obsessive attention at the moment. :)

as to wanting to get interpreted into English, I would tell you to get in touch with the UN. They have many excellent translators and may know one who will do this for you. Good Luck.

I apologize if I offended you with my comment about the catholic church. I in no way denigrate any person of faith, it is the leadership I have a problem with. I was baptized, confirmed and confessed as a Catholic so I understand the insult I gave. Please accept my apologies.

the debate over morality could last a lifetime, and probably should last a lifetime, at least if you're doing things correctly.
::::smiles::::

as to the redistribution of wealth, my friend, the reason why socialists get folks like you to believe that dismantling the mega rich is bad for the rest of us is because they ARE the mega rich.

I have been told I qualify as poor under American standards (below 24k a year with two children). I live very carefully. Although I qualify, I do not accept any form of gov't aid and never will.
I was once the wife of a man who made around 250k a year. We were comfortably upper middle class. We took vacations, drove new cars, gave to charities, employed people at both our business (about 70 people) and our farm (about ten people). It was a good life.
we were not rich.
we KNEW rich people, people like the Firestone's and other famous names but we were not part of their world. we couldn't afford it.

I've seen the world through many windows....and all as an ordinary person. I can tell you, taxing people at the 100k to 250k will destroy the American economy.
These are the people who own small businesses, drive new cars, go on vacations and spend money, buy clothes, and a million other things. These are not the people cheating on their taxes or wrecking the economy with mega rich greed, these are ordinary men and women leading ordinary lives.
No good will come of this administration's economic policy. We must agree to disagree and leave the proof of either opinion to future history. I hope I am proven wrong, I really do.


as to the man who dared raise a hand to my child, I broke his nose. I was legally exonerated but lost everything I had in the fiasco that was the divorce because I struck him. This is how I went from comfort and security to very careful living.

God's wrath is terrible but His love and mercy, just as great

Dawn
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HOW COME IF U GIVE A POLITICIAN VIAGRA HE GETS TALLER
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JUst so u no im a republican and dont u feel stubied now that after hes in the white house hes not keeping any promeses and all u dimocrate are now changen ualls minds and want the republicans in the white house cause WE DONT LIE LIKE OBOMA AND ALL THE DIMOCRATES IN THE WORLD SO DONT GO BAGGIN ON THE REPUBLICANS BECAUSE WE KEEP OUR PROMESES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO SHUT YOUR #$#$!###^ MOUTH AND WE WILL ALL GET VOTED IN TO THE WHITE HOUSE

REPUBLICANS WE KEEP OUR PROMSES!!!!!!!!

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Hello

I was recently sent an email from a friend that gave a written account of an actual sermon preached by a black baptist preacher to his congregation. I have never met this man nor do I know his church, but here is a person who clearly understands how knowing history can teach you about the modern world. I am going to paste part of that email here. If you wish to see the whole thing, please let me know.
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I'm sending this to as many people as I can. Whether you're religious or not. There is a message here that we all need to heed.


I would love to give the Pastor of this predominantly black church in Virginia a hug and a high five. This guy is obviously a leader and not one of the sheep. Perhaps we should each decide who our real leader is…………. It is amazing to see that very little has changed in 4,000 years. (this part is from my friend, the sermon, in part follows)


VIRGINIA CHURCH SERVICE -STIMULUS SERMON Gen 47:13-27 Good morning, brothers and sisters; it's always a delight to see the pews crowded on Sunday morning, and so eager to get into God's Word. Turn with me in your Bibles, if you will to the 47th chapter of Genesis, we'll begin our reading at verse 13, and go through verse 27. Brother Ray, would you stand and read that great passage for us? ....(reading)... Thank you for that fine reading, Brother Ray...


So we see that economic hard times fell upon Egypt, and the people turned to the government of Pharaoh to deal with this for them. And Pharaoh nationalized the grain harvest, and placed the grain in great storehouses that he had built.


So the people brought their money to Pharaoh, like a great tax increase, and gave it all to him willingly in return for grain. And this went on until their money ran out, and they were hungry again.


So when they went to Pharaoh after that, they brought their livestock -their cattle, their horses, their sheep, and t heir donkey - to ba rter for grain, and verse 17 says that only took them through the end of that year.. But the famine wasn't over, was it?


So the next year, the people came before Pharaoh and admitted they had nothing left, except their land and their own lives."There is nothing left in the sight of my lord but our bodies and our land. Why should we die before your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land for food, and we with our land will be servants to Pharaoh." So they surrendered their homes, their land, and their real estate to Pharaoh's government, and then sold themselves into slavery to him, in return for grain. What can we learn from this, brothers and sisters?That turning to the government instead of to God to be our provider in hard times only leads to slavery? Yes. That the only reason government wants to be our provider is to also become our master? Yes.


But look how that passage ends, brothers and sisters! Thus Israel settled in the land of Egypt, in the land of Goshen. And they gained possessions in it, and were fruitful and multiplied greatly." God provided for His people, just as He always has! They didn't end up giving all their possessions to government, no, it says they gained possessions!


But I also tell you a great truth today, and an ominous one. We see the same thing happening today - the government today wants to "share the wealth "once again, to take it from us and redistribute it back to us.

this ends the copied portion of the sermon.

I think this man has said it all far more eloquently than I could ever hope to. I will add nothing except to say, without me ever meeting him, I include him as a friend in my heart. So should all of you.

Dawn

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Well, until this country becomes a socialist police state, we will talk about it 'bitch'...chris270...that is all the mental energy you have? Bring it on, little man!
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Dear James, you do not know what real socialism is. I have lived in, or had deeply contacts with five different socialist states. Chile's Allende, Nicaragua's sandinists, Sweden's Olof Palme, Hornecker's East Germany and Gonzalez-Rodriguez Zapatero's Spain and Venezuela's Chavez.

Believe me my friend, as I talking from a dissident and former socialist point of view.

The first was an economical and social chaos (500% salary’s raisin!)

The second, stealing "the riches' companies" and giving them to guerrilla leaders.

The third, psychological brutal oppression of that poor Swedish people, with the result of thousands of suicides every year. Read Mankel's or Larsson's books.

The fifth, 2,5 millions spies controlling 10 millions citizens!

The sixth, a current secret coalition between soviet communists and socialists, with out the knowledge of voters, the Spanish people.

And finally, dictator Chavez, Latin America's most stupid socialist leader, who is selling the region to Islam and Russia. Dictator Chavez is closing radio and TV stations, because they are questioning how clever dictator Chavez is.

Do you want more? Find a publisher for my book THE SOCIALISMS, no one publishing house wanted to publish in Spain, and you’ll get it for free, specially signed for you.

It is true Obamas’ reform could lead to State socialism, but to happens, a polis state is needed, with hundred of thousands inspectors preventing fraud.

I do not believe this should be possible, as Liberty is the most precious value American People want to preserve.

If people should be persecuted suspicious of fraud, they should say NO! to president Obama’s Health reform.

Call med Charlie
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I beg to differ, Charlie, I know exactly what a Socialist State is and all you just wrote describes exactly what is currently coming to pass right here in the good old USA...

Please, if you want to debate what I do or do not know about Socialism...give me something to chew on...

James...
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JamesDMcAllister
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My step mother is Spanish....where can I get a PDF file of your book? I have translation software on one of my computers
and can, with some difficulty, translate Spanish to English. In the past I used the software to translate French but for some reason I believe that a lot of the inflection in the syntax tends to get lost in the process and the "feel" is affected. Maybe it will translate better with French...
James...
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