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SU carburettors (named for Skinners Union, the company that produced them) were a brand of carburettor usually of the sidedraught type but downdraught variants were used on some pre-war cars. They were widely used in British (Austin
Austin Motor Company

The Austin Motor Company was a United Kingdom manufacturer of automobiles that rose to be a major motorcar brand, the dominant partner after merger with Morris in 1952 but declining after absorption into the British Leyland Motor Corporation, and its subsequent troubles....
, Morris
Morris Motor Company

The Morris Motor Company was a United Kingdom automobile manufacturing company. After the incorporation of the company into larger corporations, the Morris name remained in use as a marque until 1984 when British Leyland's Austin Rover Group decided to concentrate on the more popular Austin Motor Company marque....
, Jaguar, Triumph
Triumph Motor Company

The Triumph Motor Company had its origins in 1885 when Siegfried Bettmann and Moritz Schulte from Germany founded Bettmann & Co and started selling Triumph bicycles, from premises in London and from 1889 started making his own machines in Coventry, England....
, MG
MG (car)

MG is a United Kingdom sports car brand founded in 1924.MG is best known for two-seat open sports cars, but MG also produced Sedan and coup?s....
) and Swedish (Volvo
Volvo Cars

Volvo Cars, or Volvo Personvagnar AB, is a Swedish automaker founded in 1927 in the city of Gothenburg, Sweden — and currently owned by Ford Motor Company....
, Saab 99
Saab 99

The 99 is an automobile produced by Saab Automobile from 1968 to 1984....
) automobile
Automobile

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s for much of the twentieth century.






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SU carburettors (named for Skinners Union, the company that produced them) were a brand of carburettor usually of the sidedraught type but downdraught variants were used on some pre-war cars. They were widely used in British (Austin
Austin Motor Company

The Austin Motor Company was a United Kingdom manufacturer of automobiles that rose to be a major motorcar brand, the dominant partner after merger with Morris in 1952 but declining after absorption into the British Leyland Motor Corporation, and its subsequent troubles....
, Morris
Morris Motor Company

The Morris Motor Company was a United Kingdom automobile manufacturing company. After the incorporation of the company into larger corporations, the Morris name remained in use as a marque until 1984 when British Leyland's Austin Rover Group decided to concentrate on the more popular Austin Motor Company marque....
, Jaguar, Triumph
Triumph Motor Company

The Triumph Motor Company had its origins in 1885 when Siegfried Bettmann and Moritz Schulte from Germany founded Bettmann & Co and started selling Triumph bicycles, from premises in London and from 1889 started making his own machines in Coventry, England....
, MG
MG (car)

MG is a United Kingdom sports car brand founded in 1924.MG is best known for two-seat open sports cars, but MG also produced Sedan and coup?s....
) and Swedish (Volvo
Volvo Cars

Volvo Cars, or Volvo Personvagnar AB, is a Swedish automaker founded in 1927 in the city of Gothenburg, Sweden — and currently owned by Ford Motor Company....
, Saab 99
Saab 99

The 99 is an automobile produced by Saab Automobile from 1968 to 1984....
) automobile
Automobile

An automobile or motor car is a wheeled motor vehicle for transportation passengers, which also carries its own car engine or motor. Most definitions of the term specify that automobiles are designed to run primarily on roads, to have seating for one to eight people, to typically have four wheels, and to be constructed principally f...
s for much of the twentieth century. Originally designed and patented by George Herbert Skinner in 1905, they remained on production cars through to 1995 in the Mini by which time they had become part of the Rover Group. They are now manufactured by Burlen fuel systems mainly for the classic car market. Hitachi
Hitachi, Ltd.

is a multinational corporation specializing in high-technology and services headquartered in Marunouchi Itchome, Chiyoda, Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan. The company is the parent of the Hitachi Group as part of the larger DKB Group companies....
 also built carburettors based on the SU design which were used on the Datsun 240Z, Datsun 260Z and other Datsun
Datsun

Datsun was an automobile marque. There never was an actual "Datsun" company, as the brand name was used in production only by DAT Motors and its successor, Nissan Motor Co., Ltd....
 Cars. While these look the same, they are different enough that needles (see below) are the only part that fits both.

Operating principle

SU carburettors featured a variable venturi controlled by a piston
Piston

A piston is a component of reciprocating engines, pumps and gas compressors. It is located in a Cylinder and is made gas-tight by piston rings....
. This piston has a tapered, conical
Cone (geometry)

A cone is a dimension geometric shape that tapers smoothly from a flat, round base to a point called the apex or vertex. More precisely, it is the solid figure bounded by a plane base and the surface formed by the locus of all straight line segments joining the apex to the perimeter of the base....
 metering rod (usually referred to as a "needle") that fits inside an orifice ("jet") which admits fuel
Fuel

Fuel is any material that is burned or altered in order to obtain energy and to heat or to move an object. Fuel releases its energy either through a chemical reaction means, such as combustion, or nuclear means, such as nuclear fission or nuclear fusion....
 into the airstream passing through the carburettor. Since the needle is tapered, as it rises and falls it opens and closes the opening in the jet, regulating the passage of fuel
Gasoline

File:GasCan.jpgGasoline or petrol is a petroleum-derived liquid mixture, primarily used as fuel in internal combustion engines.It consists mostly of aliphatic hydrocarbons, enhanced with iso-octane or the aromatic hydrocarbons toluene and benzene to increase its octane rating....
, so the movement of the piston controls the amount of fuel delivered, depending on engine demand.

The flow of air through the venturi creates a reduced static
Static

Static has several meanings:* Static electricity, a net charge of an object** The triboelectric effect, e.g. from shoes rubbing carpet* White noise, a random signal with a flat power spectral density...
 pressure in the venturi. This pressure drop is communicated to the upper side of the piston via an air passage. The underside of the piston is open to atmospheric pressure. The difference in pressure between the two sides of the piston tends to lift the piston. Opposing this are the weight of the piston and the force of a spring that is compressed by the piston rising. Because the spring is operating over a very small part of its possible range of extension, its force is approximately constant. Under steady state conditions the upwards and downwards forces on the piston are equal and opposite, and the piston does not move.

If the airflow into the engine is increased - by opening the throttle plate (usually referred to as the "butterfly"), or by allowing the engine revs to rise with the throttle plate at a constant setting - the pressure drop in the venturi increases, the pressure above the piston falls, and the piston is sucked upwards, increasing the size of the venturi, until the pressure drop in the venturi returns to its nominal level. Similarly if the airflow into the engine is reduced, the piston will fall. The result is that the pressure drop in the venturi remains the same regardless of the speed of the airflow - hence the name "constant depression" for carburettors operating on this principle - but the piston rises and falls according to the speed of the airflow.

Since the position of the piston controls the position of the needle in the jet and thus the open area of the jet, while the depression in the venturi sucking fuel out of the jet remains constant, the rate of fuel delivery is always a definite function of the rate of air delivery. The precise nature of the function is determined by the profile of the needle. With appropriate selection of the needle, the fuel delivery can be matched much more closely to the demands of the engine than is possible with the more common fixed-venturi carburettor, an inherently inaccurate device whose design must incorporate many complex fudges to obtain usable accuracy of fuelling. The well-controlled conditions under which the jet is operating also make it possible to obtain good and consistent atomisation of the fuel under all operating conditions.

This self-adjusting nature makes the selection of the maximum venturi diameter (colloquially, but inaccurately, referred to as "choke size") much less critical than with a fixed-venturi carburettor. A two-inch SU carburettor is a useful device to have in the workshop when experimenting with engines, as it is possible to bolt it onto more or less any engine and the engine, if in good order, will burst into life without the need for complex carburettor adjustments to get it to start.

To prevent erratic and sudden movements of the piston it is damped by light oil in a dashpot
Dashpot

A dashpot is a mechanical device, a damper which resists motion via viscous friction. The resulting force is proportional to the velocity, but acts in the opposite direction, slowing the motion and absorbing energy....
, which requires periodic topping up. The dampening is asymmetrical; it heavily resists upwards movement of the piston. This serves as the equivalent of an "accelerator pump" on traditional carburettors by temporarily increasing the speed of air through the venturi, thus increasing the richness of the mixture.

The beauty of the SU lies in its simplicity and lack of multiple jets and ease of adjustment. Adjustment is accomplished by altering the starting position of the jet relative to the needle on a fine screw
Screw

A screw is a shaft with a helix groove or screw thread formed on its surface and provision at one end to turn the screw. Its main uses are as a threaded fastener used to hold objects together, and as a simple machine used to translate torque into linear force....
. At first sight, the principle appears to bear a similarity to that of the slide carburettor, which was previously used on many motorcycles. The slide carburettor has the same piston and main needle as an SU carburettor, however the piston/needle position is directly actuated by a physical connection to the throttle cable rather than indirectly by venturi airflow as with an SU carburettor. This piston actuation difference is the significant distinction between a slide and an SU carburettor. The piston in a slide carburettor is controlled by the operator's demands rather than the demands of the engine. This means that the metering of the fuel can be inaccurate unless the vehicle is travelling at a constant speed at a constant throttle setting - conditions which are rarely encountered except on motorways. This inaccuracy results in the wastage of fuel, particularly as the carburettor must be set slightly rich to avoid a lean condition, which when performed repeatedly can cause significant engine damage. For this reason Japan
Japan

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ese motorcycle manufacturers ceased to fit slide carbs and substituted constant-depression carbs which are essentially miniature Japanese SUs. It is also possible - indeed, easy - to retro-fit an SU carburettor to a bike
Motorcycle

A motorcycle is a Single track, two-wheeled motor vehicle powered by an Motorcycle engine. Motorcycles vary considerably depending on the task for which they are designed, such as Touring motorcycle travel, navigating Naked bike, Cruiser , Motorcycle sport and Motorbike racing, or off-road conditions....
 that was originally manufactured with a slide carburettor, and thereby obtain improved fuel economy
Fuel economy in automobiles

Fuel economy in automobiles is the amount of fuel required to move the automobile over a given distance. While the fuel efficiency of petroleum internal combustion engine has improved markedly in recent decades, , this does not necessarily translate into better fuel economy, if larger and heavier vehicles are used, or if that effici...
 and more tractable low-speed behaviour.

The only real downside of the constant depression carburettor is in high performance applications. Since it relies on restricting air flow in order to produce enrichment during acceleration, the throttle response lacks punch. By contrast, the fixed choke design adds extra fuel under these conditions using its accelerator pump.

SU carburettor types

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SU carburetors were supplied in several throat sizes in both Imperial (inch) and metric (millimeter) measurement.

The carburetor identification is made by letter prefix which indicates the float type:

"H": in which the float bowl has an arm cast into its base, which mounts to the bottom of the carburetor with a hollow bolt or banjo fitting. Fuel passes through the arm into the carburetor body. The bolt attaches to the carburetor body just behind the main jet assembly.

"HD": the float bowl mounts with its arm fastening directly below, and concentric with, the main jet. The arm has a flange that fastens with 4 screws to the bottom of the carburetor, and sealed with a rubber diaphragm integral with the main jet.

"HS": the float bowl is rigidly mounted to the carburetor body, but fuel is transferred by a separate external flexible line.

"HIF": the float bowl is horizontal and integral (hence the name).

The Imperial sizes include 1-1/8", 1-1/4", 1-1/2", 1-3/4", 1-7/8", and 2", although not every type (H, HD, HS, HIF) was offered in every size.

There were also H models made in 2-1/4" and 2-1/2", now obsolete. Special purpose-built carburetors (Norman) were made as large as 3".

To determine the throat size from the serial number: If the final number (after one, two or three letters, beginning with H) has 1 digit, multiply this number by 1/8", then add add 1". For example, if the serial number is HS6, the final number is 6: 6/8 = 3/4", add 1, total is 1-3/4", etc.

If the final number has 2 digits, it's the throat size in mm. For example, if the serial number is HIF38, the final number is 38, size is 38mm etc.

See also

  • Zenith Carburetters
    Zenith Carburetters

    Zenith Carburetters was a British company making carburetor. In 1955 they joined with their major pre-war rival Solex Carburettors and over time the Zenith brand name fell into disuse....
  • AMAL
    Amal (motorcycle)

    AMAL is a United Kingdom carburettor trademark. AMAL were the suppliers of carburettors to the British motorcycle industry and their products were present on the products of the largest British motorcycle manufacturers such as Birmingham Small Arms Company and AMC....

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