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In 1983, in the blossoming music scene of Athens, Georgia
Music of Athens, Georgia

The music of Athens, Georgia includes a wide variety of popular music, and was an important part of the early evolution of alternative rock and New Wave music....
, future rock stars Michael Stipe
Michael Stipe

John Michael Stipe is an United States singer who is the lead vocalist for the alternative rock band R.E.M. Stipe has become well-known for the "mumbling" style of his early career and for his complex, surrealism lyrics, as well as his social and political activism....
 of R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
 and Matthew Sweet
Matthew Sweet

Sidney Matthew Sweet is an United States alternative rock/power pop musician. He was part of the burgeoning Music of Athens, Georgia music scene in the early and mid-1980s before gaining commercial success during the early 1990s....
 crossed paths and collaborated on a short-lived project known as Community Trolls. They wrote and recorded three songs together, one of which, "Tainted Obligation," would have a bit of history of its own before its official release in 2002.

teenager in Lincoln, Nebraska
Lincoln, Nebraska

The City of Lincoln is the Capital and the Nebraska#Important cities and towns of the United States U.S. state of Nebraska. Lincoln is also the county seat of Lancaster County, Nebraska and the home of the University of Nebraska....
 Sweet was a big fan of Mitch Easter
Mitch Easter

Mitch Easter is a musician and producer. As a producer, he is probably best known for his work with R.E.M. from 1981 through 1984, though he has also worked with many other acts including Pavement , Suzanne Vega, Game Theory , Marshall Crenshaw, and Velvet Crush....
. Easter had produced R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
's first single, the Hib-Tone
Hib-Tone

Hib-Tone was the name of an Atlanta-based recording label set up by Johnny Hibbert, a law student at the University of Georgia, in 1981 in music....
 version of "Radio Free Europe"—Sweet especially loved its B-side, "Sitting Still"—so when R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
 performed at The Drumstick in Lincoln in September 1982, Sweet went to the show.






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In 1983, in the blossoming music scene of Athens, Georgia
Music of Athens, Georgia

The music of Athens, Georgia includes a wide variety of popular music, and was an important part of the early evolution of alternative rock and New Wave music....
, future rock stars Michael Stipe
Michael Stipe

John Michael Stipe is an United States singer who is the lead vocalist for the alternative rock band R.E.M. Stipe has become well-known for the "mumbling" style of his early career and for his complex, surrealism lyrics, as well as his social and political activism....
 of R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
 and Matthew Sweet
Matthew Sweet

Sidney Matthew Sweet is an United States alternative rock/power pop musician. He was part of the burgeoning Music of Athens, Georgia music scene in the early and mid-1980s before gaining commercial success during the early 1990s....
 crossed paths and collaborated on a short-lived project known as Community Trolls. They wrote and recorded three songs together, one of which, "Tainted Obligation," would have a bit of history of its own before its official release in 2002.

Background

As a teenager in Lincoln, Nebraska
Lincoln, Nebraska

The City of Lincoln is the Capital and the Nebraska#Important cities and towns of the United States U.S. state of Nebraska. Lincoln is also the county seat of Lancaster County, Nebraska and the home of the University of Nebraska....
 Sweet was a big fan of Mitch Easter
Mitch Easter

Mitch Easter is a musician and producer. As a producer, he is probably best known for his work with R.E.M. from 1981 through 1984, though he has also worked with many other acts including Pavement , Suzanne Vega, Game Theory , Marshall Crenshaw, and Velvet Crush....
. Easter had produced R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
's first single, the Hib-Tone
Hib-Tone

Hib-Tone was the name of an Atlanta-based recording label set up by Johnny Hibbert, a law student at the University of Georgia, in 1981 in music....
 version of "Radio Free Europe"—Sweet especially loved its B-side, "Sitting Still"—so when R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
 performed at The Drumstick in Lincoln in September 1982, Sweet went to the show. At that point R.E.M. hadn't hit it big yet, so there was almost nobody at the concert. Sweet met the band and gave Michael Stipe
Michael Stipe

John Michael Stipe is an United States singer who is the lead vocalist for the alternative rock band R.E.M. Stipe has become well-known for the "mumbling" style of his early career and for his complex, surrealism lyrics, as well as his social and political activism....
 a tape of songs he had been working on. They also put him in touch with Mitch Easter
Mitch Easter

Mitch Easter is a musician and producer. As a producer, he is probably best known for his work with R.E.M. from 1981 through 1984, though he has also worked with many other acts including Pavement , Suzanne Vega, Game Theory , Marshall Crenshaw, and Velvet Crush....
. Sweet had read about the Athens, Georgia music scene
Music of Athens, Georgia

The music of Athens, Georgia includes a wide variety of popular music, and was an important part of the early evolution of alternative rock and New Wave music....
 in punk
Punk rock

Punk rock is a rock music genre that developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United States, the United Kingdom, and Australia. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed the perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock....
 and New Wave magazines, and learned more about it from talking to R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
, who were from Athens, but Easter also told Sweet about the city and helped persuade him to move there.

Meanwhile, Michael Stipe
Michael Stipe

John Michael Stipe is an United States singer who is the lead vocalist for the alternative rock band R.E.M. Stipe has become well-known for the "mumbling" style of his early career and for his complex, surrealism lyrics, as well as his social and political activism....
 really liked Sweet's tape, and also played it for his sister Lynda Stipe
Lynda Stipe

Lynda Stipe is an United States musician, who has been a bass guitarist and singing in the bands Oh-OK, Hetch Hetchy and Flash to Bang Time. She is the sister of R.E.M. 's Michael Stipe....
. She invited Sweet to come open for her band Oh-OK
Oh-OK

Oh-OK was an American musical group, based around Linda Hopper and Lynda Stipe. Other members included drummers David McNair , David Pierce and guitarist Matthew Sweet....
 in Athens
Athens, Georgia

Athens-Clarke County is a Consolidated city-county in Georgia , United States, in the northeastern part of the state, at the intersection of U.S....
. In the late spring of 1983, just before graduating from high school, he went down to Athens
Athens, Georgia

Athens-Clarke County is a Consolidated city-county in Georgia , United States, in the northeastern part of the state, at the intersection of U.S....
, and within a week was a member of Oh-OK
Oh-OK

Oh-OK was an American musical group, based around Linda Hopper and Lynda Stipe. Other members included drummers David McNair , David Pierce and guitarist Matthew Sweet....
, who recorded their E.P. Furthermore What that August with him onboard. While a member of Oh-OK
Oh-OK

Oh-OK was an American musical group, based around Linda Hopper and Lynda Stipe. Other members included drummers David McNair , David Pierce and guitarist Matthew Sweet....
, Sweet also found time to collaborate with Michael Stipe on the Community Trolls songs.

Songwriting

Sweet has described the duo's songwriting as follows:

"Tainted Obligation"


Sometime in the autumn of 1983, Stipe and Sweet recorded their three song demo, but only "Tainted Obligation" has been released from that session. Stipe plays accordion and sings lead vocals, and Sweet plays acoustic guitar and does harmony vocals. Rolling Stone
Rolling Stone

Rolling Stone is a United States-based magazine devoted to music, politics, and popular culture that is published every two weeks. Rolling Stone was founded in San Francisco in 1967 by Jann Wenner and music critic Ralph J....
 describes the song as "enchanting" with "harmonies as pretty as you can imagine."

In 1986, "Tainted Obligation" was slated for, but was not ultimately released on, the Demon Records compilation album Don't Shoot, which featured such artists as John Doe
John Doe (musician)

John Doe is an United States singer, songwriter, actor, poet and bass player who was the founder of the Los Angeles, California punk rock band X ....
, Top Jimmy & The Rhythm Pigs
Top Jimmy & The Rhythm Pigs

Top Jimmy & The Rhythm Pigs were a rock and rhythm and blues band that emerged out of the Los Angeles punk/roots music scene of the late 1970s and early-mid 1980s....
, The Divine Horsemen
The Divine Horsemen

The Divine Horsemen were a punk/roots band founded in 1983 by Chris D. , formerly of L.A. punk rock band The Flesh Eaters . The band developed a distinctive alt country- type sound....
 and Clay Allison
Opal (band)

Opal were an Music of the United States alternative music/Psychedelic rock band in the 1980s. They were part of the Paisley Underground musical style....
.

In the early 1990s, the song would surface as "Tainted Obligations" on R.E.M. bootlegs such as Stab It and Steer It and Wolves, Lower.

The song was finally released officially on the 2002 Matthew Sweet
Matthew Sweet

Sidney Matthew Sweet is an United States alternative rock/power pop musician. He was part of the burgeoning Music of Athens, Georgia music scene in the early and mid-1980s before gaining commercial success during the early 1990s....
 compilation To Understand: The Early Recordings of Matthew Sweet
To Understand: The Early Recordings of Matthew Sweet

To Understand: The Early Recordings of Matthew Sweet is a compilation album by Alternative rock musician Matthew Sweet. Released by Hip-O Records in 2002, it is a compilation of early Sweet recordings....
.

Live performances


The Stitchcraft

On September 30, 1983, Community Trolls played a set between two R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
 sets at the Stitchcraft in Athens, Georgia
Athens, Georgia

Athens-Clarke County is a Consolidated city-county in Georgia , United States, in the northeastern part of the state, at the intersection of U.S....
, performing five songs: "Six Stock Answers" (sometimes known as "6 Stock Answers For 74,000 Questions"), "My Roof Your Roof", "Pale Blue Eyes
Pale Blue Eyes

"Pale Blue Eyes" is a song written by Lou Reed and performed by The Velvet Underground. It was included on the band's eponymous 1969 album The Velvet Underground ....
" (Lou Reed
Lou Reed

Lewis Allan "Lou" Reed is an American rock music musician best known as the guitarist, Singing and principal songwriter of The Velvet Underground as well as a successful solo artist whose career has spanned several decades....
), "Tainted Obligation" and "Sweet Jane
Sweet Jane

"Sweet Jane" is a song by the Velvet Underground, originally appearing on their 1970 album Loaded . The song was written by Velvet's leader Lou Reed, who continued to incorporate the song into his own live performances years later as a solo artist....
" (Lou Reed). Peter Buck
Peter Buck

Peter Lawrence Buck is the guitarist and co-founder, along with Bill Berry, Mike Mills, and Michael Stipe, of the alternative rock band R.E.M.....
 of R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
 and Curtis Crowe may have performed with them.

"Six Stock Answers" and "My Roof Your Roof"
The R.E.M.-related website remchronicle notes that these songs, which appear on bootlegs
Bootleg recording

A bootleg recording is an sound recording and/or video recording of a performance that was not officially released by the artist, or under other legal authority....
 of the Stitchcraft show, have never been officially released. The website R.E.M. Reconstruction of the Pop Songs 1980-2001, whose authors met Sweet and asked him about Community Trolls, credits Stipe and Sweet as the songs' co-writers.

"Six Stock Answers" was used in a low budget forty-five-minute Super-8 film called Just Like A Movie, shot in September 1983 in Athens by New York Rocker magazine photographer Laura Levine, a friend of the members of R.E.M. One scene in the film, a parody of the "Subterranean Homesick Blues
Subterranean Homesick Blues

"Subterranean Homesick Blues" is a song by Bob Dylan, originally released on the album Bringing It All Back Home in March 1965. The following month it was issued as a single, becoming his first Top 40 Billboard Hot 100 hit and going Top 10 in the UK....
" sequence in D.A. Pennebaker's Bob Dylan documentary Dont Look Back
Dont Look Back

Dont Look Back is a 1967 documentary film by D.A. Pennebaker that principally covers Bob Dylan's 1965 concert tour of the United Kingdom.In 1998, the film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant"....
, shows Michael Stipe wearing a skirt and tights flipping placards with the song's lyrics, "Six stock answers to 74,000 questions" repeated ad nauseam. Just Like a Movies plot has two rival bands performing on the same night, leading up to the climax question of "Which band is everybody going to go see?" R.E.M. biographer Marcus Gray believes it is likely that the Stitchcraft show, including the Community Trolls' set, was used in the film and provided the answer to this question.
Old 40 Watt

Other performances

Community Trolls' first performance was busking outside the 40 Watt Club
40 Watt Club

The 40 Watt Club is a music venue in Athens, Georgia. Along with CBGB's, the Whisky a Go Go, and selected others, it was instrumental in launching American punk rock and "New Wave music."...
 in Athens
Athens, Georgia

Athens-Clarke County is a Consolidated city-county in Georgia , United States, in the northeastern part of the state, at the intersection of U.S....
, sometime in September 1983, and Peter Buck
Peter Buck

Peter Lawrence Buck is the guitarist and co-founder, along with Bill Berry, Mike Mills, and Michael Stipe, of the alternative rock band R.E.M.....
 and Curtis Crowe may have played with them this time too. In addition, Sweet joined R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
 onstage on October 3 at the Legion Field in Athens to perform "Pale Blue Eyes"; Oh-OK
Oh-OK

Oh-OK was an American musical group, based around Linda Hopper and Lynda Stipe. Other members included drummers David McNair , David Pierce and guitarist Matthew Sweet....
 was one of the opening acts for that show.

Post-Community Trolls

The Community Trolls collaboration lasted only this very short period of time, and then Sweet began his next project, The Buzz of Delight, as a side project from Oh-OK, while Stipe continued his work with R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
, who would soon find big success with their album
Murmur
Murmur (album)

Murmur is the debut album by the United States alternative rock band R.E.M., released in 1983 on I.R.S. Records. Murmur drew critical acclaim upon its release for its sound, defined by singer Michael Stipe's cryptic lyrics and guitarist Peter Buck's jangly guitar style....
.

Sweet began distancing himself from other people in the Athens, Georgia music scene
Music of Athens, Georgia

The music of Athens, Georgia includes a wide variety of popular music, and was an important part of the early evolution of alternative rock and New Wave music....
 and in 1984 quit Oh-OK; in 1985, he got a record deal with CBS Records
CBS Records

CBS Records is a record label founded by CBS Corporation in 2006 in music to take advantage of music from its entertainment properties distributed by CBS Paramount Television....
 and moved to New York City
New York City

The City of New York is the List of United States cities by population in the United States, while the New York metropolitan area ranks among the List of urban areas by population....
. Sweet was accused of selling out and using his Athens connections to get a record deal and leave. Sweet maintains that when he went to CBS he never claimed to have anything to do with Athens, so that nobody could say he used the town. He says that after months of living in Athens he realized things weren't as happy there as everyone pretended, and that there was backstabbing going on. In 1993 he said:

Everybody was telling him that he should be touring and building up a following before doing his record, like R.E.M. had done. However, more than making the record itself and becoming a rock star, Sweet's main motivation was to get money to buy studio gear.

R.E.M., for their part, held no hard feelings towards Sweet. Peter Buck has said, "The guy wanted to make records. I don't see anything wrong with that." Still, Sweet said in 1995 that he and the band were no longer very close, and when asked about the possibility of him touring with them, he replied he wasn't sure if the band would want to.

In 1996 or 1998, Sweet recorded with R.E.M.
R.E.M.

R.E.M. is an American Rock music band formed in Athens, Georgia, Georgia , in 1980 by Michael Stipe , Peter Buck , Mike Mills , and Bill Berry ....
's Mike Mills
Mike Mills

Michael Edward Mills is the bass guitar player of the band R.E.M. Though known primarily as a bassist, piano player and background singer, his musical repertoire includes many other keyboard, guitar, string, wind and percussion instruments....
 on the song "The Ballad of El Goodo," on the Big Star tribute
Big Star Small World, which was finally released in 2006. Sweet sang vocals (and possibly played guitar), Mills played bass, and Jody Stephens
Jody Stephens

Jody Stephens is an United States drummer, who has played in Big Star and Golden Smog . When not on tour with Big Star, he works at Ardent Studios, which is where Big Star has sound recording and reproduction all of their albums....
 played drums.

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