he also claims the terminal effects are multiplied. he told me when it hits flesh the ceramic in the tip expands turing it into more of a roundtip and pushing the steel core to the rear reversing the center of gravity causing it to roll inside the target. upon impact with hard targets with steel the ceramic crumbles leaving behind the steel core that acts as a penetrator. he claims there is no hollow tip or or that the holes ive seen where made by a caliber smaller than 243 or 6mm im impressed and wonder if anything like this has been attempted with a 6.5 grendel