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Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Israeli-Palestinian conflict

 
The new Covenant “with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah”.
 
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Israeli-Palestinian conflict discussion
 
Konstantin
07/23/12
In the beginning of 70-th week of Daniel God will make the first covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah (Heb. 8:7), so that Israel could “seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul”(2Chr.15:12). During the rule of “the idol shepherd” (Zech.11:17), Israel will break this Covenant. It is about the violation of this Covenant is said in (Heb. 8:9).Therefore God will make with Israel, “a new covenant” in the 50-th jubilee year. Israel will enter “the head, and not the tail” (Deut.28:13) in the 1000-anniversary of the world.

The 70th week of Daniel will end on the1260th day. Since the moment of the rapture of the “church of the firstborn"(Heb. 12:23),(this is the first sheaf of the harvest), which will come up soon, there will be held 49 prophetical years -- the time of the harvest, before the enthronement of the Lord Jesus Christ (Rev.11:17). After there will be lifted up “a sheaf of the firstfruits” (Lev.23:10), there will come the time “of barley harvest and of wheat harvest” (Ruth.2:23).

At the moment of the enthronement of the Lord Jesus Christ will be the beginning of the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel and “the kingdom shall not be left to other people” (Dan.2:44), and after 30 days in 1291-day, “it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” This will occur at the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ “in his glory” (Matt.25:31). The Lord will smite the Antichrist and the peoples who will come to fight “against Jerusalem” (Zech.14:16). The moment of this event – “he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God” (Rev. 19:15). These people will be “slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse”(Rev. 19:21), and the Antichrist and the false prophet will be “cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone” (Rev. 19:20). The others are “out of all the peoples”(Zech.14:16), which won’t come to fight “against Jerusalem” after the judgment over the Nations will be entered in the 1000-anniversary of the world.

The Lord, as he had promised, “will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah”(Heb.8:8). This will happen in 1335-th day (Dan.12:12), counting from the middle of the 70-th week of Daniel. Immediately after the 1260th day (Rev. 11:3) there will be occur the enthronement of the Lord Jesus Christ (Rev. 11:17), “then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory”(Matt.24:30). In this moment “the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets” (Rev.10:7). The Father will tell to the Son: “Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession” (Ps.2:8). This is the moment of the birth of “a man child”, who will rule “all nations with a rod of iron” (Rev.12:5), and through 30 days He will “dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel” (Ps. 2:9). Between 1260-m and 1290-m days there will be “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer.30:7). This period of time doctrinally corresponds to “the Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Hebrews". Through 30 days after the enthronement of the Lord Jesus Christ - and the marriage of the lamb (Rev. 19:7; 9) there will be a second evident coming of Jesus Christ “in his glory” (Matt.25:31).

What do you think about it?
           
 
TimUpham
07/23/12
replied to: Konstantin
Replied To:  In the beginning of 70-th week of Daniel God will make the first co...
You did a great deal of theological research, but maybe we can see how these quotes and examples from sacred texts can be applied to today's problems. One thing I have been trying to do is to get Evangelical Christians to support a two-state solution. They will go by such as Jesus Christ was Jewish, then we should support the Jewish state. I counteract with quotations that support coexistence, such as Mark 12:31, where Jesus Christ says "love thy neighbor as thyself." Because a two-state solution seems the only probable answer, and Evangelical Christians can play a very pivotal role.
           
 
Konstantin
07/23/12
replied to: TimUpham
Replied To:  You did a great deal of theological research, but maybe we can see ...
The love of a Christian towards others is to tell them the truth, which is written in the Bible.
           
 
Puckish
07/31/12
replied to: Konstantin
Replied To:  In the beginning of 70-th week of Daniel God will make the first co...
I'm not sure why you should place belief in Ancient Writings - any more than the Ancient Prophecies of the Sybil on Rome - or of Nostradamus.

Live your life as a Good Person, as MANY Religions , and Atheists , will teach you to do.
The Future CANNOT be foreseen.
           
 
Konstantin
07/31/12
replied to: Puckish
Replied To:  I'm not sure why you should place belief in Ancient Writings - any ...
The Future CANNOT be foreseen by man.The Future can be foretold by God.
A Christian can know the future, exploring the Bible. All the dates of important events that will occur in the future is already written in the Bible.
           
 
Puckish
07/31/12
replied to: Konstantin
Replied To:  The Future CANNOT be foreseen by man.The Future can be foretold by ...
So what do those Ancient writings say about the Solution to the Arab-Israeli confict ?

Does it foretell a Solution that will be fair to farmers who have been pushed off their land without compensation?
Does the Bible praise Injustice ?

Did the Bible foretell 9/11 ?
If everything is foretold , do WE have any freedom of action ourselves, or do we just sleep while Africans die through lack of Clean Water [as one example of many]

Indeed what does the bible tell you about dirty water in Africa ? - and how this will be solved
Does the Bible praise Abraham for coming from Ur to the West and Stealing land with Violence from others ?

If the Bible praises Violence, maybe the Quran is more peaceful ?
           
 
Konstantin
07/31/12
replied to: Puckish
Replied To:  So what do those Ancient writings say about the Solution to the Ara...
The Bible is a closed book for the unbelievers. They can see some of the historical events recorded in the Bible. The prophetic significance of the Bible God reveals only the believers, seekers of truth.
           
 
Puckish
07/31/12
replied to: Konstantin
Replied To:  The Bible is a closed book for the unbelievers. They can see some o...
It is clear to all that you have failed to answer ANY of my questions.

Should any of us respect a religion which praised Abraham for carrying out Ethnic Cleansing in the Near East ? Abraham, like Slobodan Milosevitch should go the International Court at the Hague, shouldn't he ?
Have we Freedom of Will ? - or will events happen whatever we do ?
           
 
Konstantin
07/31/12
replied to: Puckish
Replied To:  It is clear to all that you have failed to answer ANY of my questio...
All unbelievers will receive the righteous judgment at the end. It is written about here:

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."(Rev.20:11-15).
           
 
Puckish
07/31/12
replied to: Konstantin
Replied To:  All unbelievers will receive the righteous judgment at the end. It ...
This talk of "Unbelievers" sounds very Islamic.
Surely GOD loves all his creation ; remember , "not a sparrow falls dead" without God noting it.

You make God very Exclusive [a sort of Mafioso Boss] - instead of all-embracing in His Love.

I read from the Revelation quotation you give us - that all are judged "ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS" - which means according to their Actions, good or bad during their lives.

So I understand that a poor Muslim woman [Created by God] living in the harsh land of Afghanistan [for example - or she could be a Pagan in Dry Africa]], who has spent all her life struggling and sacrificing her own health to look after her Family and her neighbours > she will go straight to Paradise ; chosen by a God with a BIG, loving and merciful heart .
That is NOT a God with a mean, narrow, unjust heart - who chooses ONLY those belonging to a rich Club , or belonging to a rich American Church - but a God with a heart FULL of love for ALL His creation all over His Earth.

For what Just Reason should that Good Woman be excluded ?




           
 
Puckish
07/31/12
replied to: Konstantin
Replied To:  All unbelievers will receive the righteous judgment at the end. It ...
And Abraham goes straight to Hell -"judged every man according to his works"

Abraham for his Murderous Ethnic Cleansing in the Middle East ; and for his having naughty sex with his wife's slave girl ;- which naturally made poor Sarah upset ; and for his abandoning that abused slave-girl with her child [Abraham's First-born"] to the desert ; and for his cynical lying to and deceit of his Hospitable host the Pharaoh - also for playing the same "scam" on his next friendly, welcoming host, King Abimelech] - these scams made Abraham rich [GREEDY man !]

And a Good living Muslim woman will go to Hell or to Heaven ? - judging her against Abraham, where do we stand ? MORE importantly , where does a Just, Loving, God stand at this moment of Judgement ?
           
 
Konstantin
07/31/12
replied to: Puckish
Replied To:  This talk of "Unbelievers" sounds very Islamic. Surely GOD loves a...
No,this talk of "Unbelievers" sounds very Christianity.

The Scripture says believers:

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"(2Cor.6:14).
           
 
Konstantin
07/31/12
replied to: Puckish
Replied To:  And Abraham goes straight to Hell -"judged every man according to h...
No,"Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."(Gal.3:6).
           
 
Puckish
07/31/12
replied to: Konstantin
Replied To:  No,this talk of "Unbelievers" sounds very Christianity. The Scri...
I see - so Jews will not get into Heaven ;
am still worried about the Justice of that Loving God !

All this Exclusivism is what divides peoples in this Small World, and encourages and continues Racism and religious Conflict as in Israel/Palestine .

We Humans aren't much good at living together are, we ?
I would think that it would be the TASK of Religions to overcome this DIVISION
- but instead it Fosters and feeds this STUPID, CHILDISH, SILLY Division.
This all leads me to think that religions are "Made in Man's Image" - childish, silly, divisive -
with little Love shown to fellow men
with very little of the
"Milk of Human Kindness"

I do NOT think these childish, silly, mean-minded, small-hearted qualities can describe GOD .

These qualities describe Men but not God.
           
 
Puckish
07/31/12
replied to: Konstantin
Replied To:  No,"Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for r...
Abraham :
on the one-hand righteousness
- on the other hand Ethnic Murder, and the deceit of naive , gullible Hospitable hosts for Money ! - and Adultery with a slave-girl, who could not say "No" [known as RAPE ?]

on the other hand a Good living wife and mother who is not a Christian

Where is a Just and LOVING God in this ?
Don't ask your Ancient writings [written by men, not by women - and St Paul is a bit suspect isn't he]]
Ask your own Conscience
           
 
Konstantin
07/31/12
replied to: Puckish
Replied To:  Abraham : on the one-hand righteousness - on the other hand Ethni...
Can you not read the Bible? If you want to continue the discussion read the Bible. Your statements are moving to the slander.
           
 
Puckish
07/31/12
replied to: Konstantin
Replied To:  Can you not read the Bible? If you want to continue the discussion ...
Murderous ethnic Cleansing by Abraham ; his Adulterous RAPE of a servant girl ; his cynical deceit of his Hosts - all these are written in Genesis ; Abraham is "Slandered" by the Bible.

The quotation you showed me from Revelation did not mention being or not being Beleivers [that was YOUR own title] ; but Revelation writes that people will be Judged by their DEEDS , good or bad [their works] not by their religion.
A GOOD Jewis/Muslim/Pagan Mother gets into Paradise ; Abraham clearly does not.
           
 
Konstantin
07/31/12
replied to: Puckish
Replied To:  Murderous ethnic Cleansing by Abraham ; his Adulterous RAPE of a se...
Good,bye.
           
 
Puckish
08/01/12
replied to: Konstantin
Replied To:  Good,bye.
As you told ME to do -
- read your Bible [Genesis] , and you will clearly see the Shameful behaviour of Abraham .
           
 
MichaelStansfield
10/31/12
replied to: Puckish
Replied To:  As you told ME to do - - read your Bible [Genesis] , and you will ...
I think there is a point you are overlooking. While there are many ethical and moral arguments for what is going on in the Jewish state the underlying basis is one of Biblical nature for many Christians and Jews alike. People throughout history have done the worst evils in the name of God. If one argues a secular to a religious person, are they not arguing apples and oranges? I am not denying your points I am just asking you to consider how persuasive your argument is to those who define there existence in Biblical terms?
           
 
Explorer72
01/03/14
replied to: Konstantin
Replied To:  In the beginning of 70-th week of Daniel God will make the first co...
Horse shit.