Ultimate fate of the universe
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Volcilord
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My brother used the name Volcilord back in the 1990's to host a historical miniatures wargaming campaign by mail. A few years after he discontinued the campaign, I decided to use the name for personal privacy in public correspondence. Learning that Sir Isaac Newton was secretly and illegally an alchemist late in life, is the jewel of great price for the knowledge of history, and a perfect addition to any fantasy roleplaying game. The second brilliant cut diamond of history for roleplaying use, is an archaelogical site in Italy where an ancient Roman temple dumped over time a hoard of curse scrolls down a well. For hire, the priest would cast a death curse for a patron against somebody who previously wronged him (lawful evil). The belief of lawful power at a distance, is why the centurian besought Jesus to cure a loved one of fever at a great distance.
Experience also is golden. When I had to dig out of a February blizzard in Grand Rapids, Michigan; I did so wearing eyeglasses during the all day dig out from 17 inches of snow, which was also protection from snowblindness, since I worked in bright sunlight. The neighbors were able to use the partially cleared driveway after about a few hours. When I went indoors for whatever reason, phosphenes (stars through a coatsleeve) was the only harm caused by prolonged ultraviolet light exposure. The mountains between Jerusalem and Damascus would be snowy enough to temporarily blind St. Paul, as his porters would cover their eyes (due to profession), with a thin transparent layer of cloth.
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That's why i am amazed by you

Lord God used persons to write His words in the scriptures,like what happened to St.Paul being temporarily blind but with no explanation about "how" did happened to him. But it was about for a calling for his mission.

Faith= belief
Why,how and what happened to him is the thing that science cannot be explain. Meaning about spiritual reality is the thing to believe even without seeing and proof, believing is the substance for faith.

Volcilord have explain that thing, amazing!

You may be the one i'm talking about that serve as detective by as if following my footprints, your magnifying glass is now in the focus with both of my left and right foot facing you, as you noticed in your left hand about the bottle with label "P" which you are carrying was yet broken.
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Volcilord
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It was pride before a fall which would have his porters wearing thin veils over their eyes to escape snowblindness in the mountains, as Saul had his eyes fully exposed to direct sunlight in a snowfield. It was also pride before their falls that mired Napolean and Hitler in the Russian winter before surrender. Yes, the world is a brighter place because of snow.
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Humans are perfect created being, we do have eyes with eye led for protection against rays of light, made thin cloth to protect eyes when our hands can't because of work, and now with sunglasses, but only reason makes us for pride.

I do have reasons but i don't have the pride in life and by being poor i even learn how to do such thing even doing a welding job.
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Volcilord
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A snowblanket on the ground is to the eyes like a solar eclipse coming, except that peripheral vision is targeted unlike looking directly at the Sun, sunburn being the damage the eyes take. Eskimos in Alaska wear a leather mask over their eyes with small holes in it, so by averting their vision naturally, they avoid snowblindness. A white t-shirt over the eyes will cut ultraviolet light by 50 percent = ordinary eyeglasses. When a small child, I may have had full snowblindness from playing in the snow, but nearsightedness ended that problem.
Red giant stars produce much less ultraviolet light than the Sun. An alien would have to live on Titan to enjoy that feature, and the time that Titan would be in the zone of life, would be more like the time from the Garden of Eden until Judgement Day.
Welders are exposed to the ultraviolet light that is identical to an unshielded carbon arc light. If a carbon arc light is used for illumination in a 1930's style Harlow Effect machine, the ultraviolet light can swiftly blind, plus any methanol in wine can contribute to eye damage. People can see near infrared light if bright enough, which allows when merely alert, enhanced navigation through fog during the day; but ultraviolet light is also invisible, and the Earth's atmosphere cannot filter the shortest wavelength ultraviolet light out of any carbon arc in use.
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In my knowledge i don't know if a person being blind caused by intense light still can see or be blind forever,maybe, only if being transplanted by surgery... still mystery by God can't be ignore, my question is, is it science that takes a highest truth? Science is knowledge where does it came?
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Volcilord
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Snow blindness like sunburn is reversible, unless shorter wavelenghts than what gets from the Sun to the Earth's surface causes snow blindness. Nuclear blast caused blindness is permanent. Some wines contain methanol, which if consumed in moderation does not blind unlike some methanol contaminated moonshine. Christians had to pray for St Paul as his snow blindness gets to not recover until he got indoors. Mithras had the bad habit of staring at the Sun and ignoring the snow, which allowed a well rested Saint Paul to blind the sorcerer.
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Guys,

You might want to take a look at what I believe I have uncovered as a trigger to large high energy events on earth and talks about the future of our universe. It is shocking to me and answers alot of questions. Please pass the link along if you would like

http://darkmattersalot.com
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Volcilord
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I looked at darkmattersalot.com, and darkagesmattersalot.com is the darkages hole that theorists have made for themselves, as devils and demons made out of dark matter can be placed nicely by the Amish at the center of the Earth with Judgement Day the ultimate fate of the universe.
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185185
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Even we connect science to religious belief,still about spirit even good and bad, explaining it by mankind with the aid of science shall prove nothing.

Much can prove that spirits even good and bad influences mankind, so by welcoming spirit, lead for changes of ones attitude, this leads doing good or bad things, and depend upon the kind of spirit that have welcomed by entering one's hearth.

By this,bad spirits do have free will by influencing every person in as much as possible they can. The spiritual warfare is in between good and bad things,between the kingdom of evil and kingdom of God, just like what happened to Job in the bible...

I have comments related with this,in stephen hawking discussion forum.
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Volcilord
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I read you comments in the Steven Hawking forum. Theories about dark matter where it interacts with normal matter only as strongly as the neutrino, but still reacts to gravity which allows Earth to have some at or near the center, fits the medieval concept of planes of existence too perfectly. Afterlife is in the form of dark matter to explain the popularity of dualism as theology. The dark matter afterlife form is only temporary for the dualism of reincarnation-based religion. To hold academic talent as part of the soul, dorsum given to infants (moon toys) gets to later merge consciousness with the older child who is capable of learning swiftly such knowledge. Dorsum takes the place of a science fiction robot baby sitter, who imparts academic talent to the children with the robot having decorative red light emitting diodes where human eyes normally go. Dorsum that does not eventually reincarnate as a person, is considered to be a permanent supernatural being. The ultimate fate of the universe is for normal matter to become dark matter to increase transmission speed to where energy can leave a black hole, as the speed of light slows and the electron rest mass proportionally increases for normal matter that is left.
Dark matter protons bound to dark matter muons, with a trasmission speed about 200 times the speed of light to reduce the dark matter muon rest mass to close to the electron rest mass, would be observed as neutrons that put helium-6 into valence of all the most massive isotopes, making a massive isotope a nuclear molecule that hold potential energy of fission. Elements 72 on up have great potential energies of fission, as hafnium is supplemental nuclear fuel in the hafnium wall nuclear reactor. Energy transmission at around 200 times the speed of light is the Sun's core swapping decay products of a nuclear reaction for the original isotope. Dark matter tau particles may be involved instead of valence dark matter muons where fission is involved, making transmission speed even faster. Spontanous fission isotopes on Earth like Curium-250, Cf-254, and Fm-258, may only produce carbon-12, O-16, and Ne-20, at the Sun's core; with possibly a black hole that still shines in dark matter raiding the Sun's core for those isotopes.
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185185
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Neutrino has .0000054 mass that makes an energy velocity equivalent to the speed of light from the source(radius) of fissile element's explosion,and even measuring the speed of light from edge to edge(diameter) of an explosion,still measures the same as radius,since energy = mass.
Why? its because neutrinos are neutral mass that can ride the flow of energy and still can resist energy velocity.

This imply about dark matter afterlife form as an invented theology,since there's no biological life exist in other parts of universe, but still neutrinos are present in the vastness of it.

Fissile explosions if happen is done in a fraction of second then fades,and the environment(space where explosion happened) turns back to normal again but a massive destruction left. Just like when the sun shines means day,and turn environment to dark after the sun set. So is the space also as if by this because of t=me,and dark matter is part in the vastness of universe.

Evidence of nothing is not science,
intangible existence doesn't mean to prove,
but as we prove some intangible thing,never mean about science, as the highest truth.
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Volcilord
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Dark matter would tend to be as transparent to normal matter as the neutrino. The Book of Esdras 2 afterlife punishment for the wicked has their spectral bodies approaching the transparency of the neutrino.
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I believed about wicked and good that lived from past then died will be back into life by the power of God,and together with good and bad persons living during judgement day will be the day of separating bad and good.

By the blink of eyes,good person will change being from corruptible physical earthly being to incorruptible heavenly spiritual being. Even memories of love for those person who is bad will be erased for them to rejoice in heaven,these and all of the things that will happen before and after the judgement day is something that may never fit to the imagination of man.

Bad persons may still have their earthly physical being don't change but in them about everlasting life is punishment in hell.

Neutrinos are maybe elementary particles,their percentage in the vastness of universe never mean a result from wicked who died as you can imagine just how small as dot our planet earth compared to vastness of space which at present still scientist never known boundaries of universe from edge to edge.This imply for unequal proportion.

Truly about that book you are telling is invented thing.
I know you have knowledge but "how and why" have you believed from lies?


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Volcilord
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I have a brother who got a bechelor's degree in business to later get baptised by the Southern Baptist church. Like you he believes in Judgement Day as the Ultimate Fate of the Universe. Students of natural science have corrupted souls to such religion, and education substitutes for life energy levels in sorcery, as electricity gets substituted for Harry Potter style magic.
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Even entertainment fall as highest praise and actors fall near idolatry. And some fall to being blind of truth. But we are yet old enough, to fall in this thing means blind much even more.
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I fear that this shows a depth of debate that I've missed, but the basic approach of the above concurs with my thoughts.
The AWESOME majesty of the visible universe to the unaided eye, is as near to a spiritual feeling, for me anyway. as I ever get.
Q1 Is the visible universe, just there for decoration? If so, for whose benefit?
Or to inspire people of the right stuff, to reach for the stars (apologies for the mixed metaphores)
I also enjoy no faith, so without blinkers of religious teaching, one is obliged to ask Where does all this come from?
I am aware of various theories, to explain the very improbable existence of the UNIVERSE and it's contents.
EG Big Bang to inflation, both have their merits, my wife who is quite religious, despite being married to me, will insist that it is all GODS creation.
Personnaly there must be more than just religion, or indeed science, both alone achieve just questions, primarily WHY? HOW? ETC.
I certainly don't have the answers, just a mindful of questions, but having been disabled in a motorbike accident, I have quite a few of my own to answer, which can be summarised into WHY? IF GOD IS REAL, WHY ON EARTH DID YOU ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN TO A GOOD MAN?
I expect no answer, EVER.
Think for yourselves, no biggotry, no canting no bull, enjoy your life while your here, make the best you can of every moment.
Tony Crofts
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I fear that this shows a depth of debate that I've missed, but the basic approach of the above concurs with my thoughts.
The AWESOME majesty of the visible universe to the unaided eye, is as near to a spiritual feeling, for me anyway. as I ever get.
Q1 Is the visible universe, just there for decoration? If so, for whose benefit?
Or to inspire people of the right stuff, to reach for the stars (apologies for the mixed metaphores)
I also enjoy no faith, so without blinkers of religious teaching, one is obliged to ask Where does all this come from?
I am aware of various theories, to explain the very improbable existence of the UNIVERSE and it's contents.
EG Big Bang to inflation, both have their merits, my wife who is quite religious, despite being married to me, will insist that it is all GODS creation.
Personnaly there must be more than just religion, or indeed science, both alone achieve just questions, primarily WHY? HOW? ETC.
I certainly don't have the answers, just a mindful of questions, but having been disabled in a motorbike accident, I have quite a few of my own to answer, which can be summarised into WHY? IF GOD IS REAL, WHY ON EARTH DID YOU ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN TO A GOOD MAN?
I expect no answer, EVER.
Think for yourselves, no biggotry, no canting no bull, enjoy your life while your here, make the best you can of every moment.
Tony Crofts
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Elements of the universe,in the bible said that are as many as of the sand of earth. So many thing that can never by human mind doubt how the existence of reality is, there is God who created everything and rules His creation.

Also in the bible said that the material death of His holy men are important in the eyes of God,since it is not the temporal time that weight much great than eternal.
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I have done a lot of my commenting on Is Time Travel Possible forum at this site, because I am not trying to publish a scientfic paper, and neither is 185185. I favor th Big Rip for the Ultimate Fate of the Universe, as slowing the speed of light since the Big Bang, while proportionally increasing the electron rest mass, fits red shift observations nicely. Dark matter theories use a lepton less massive than the electron, which would make a faster than light transmission speed that could leave a black hole. I substitute dark matter star theory for how early stars formed in the Universe. A more massive electron over time would reduce the minimum mass needed to create a star over time. Such dark matter would also fall to the center of the Earth, so any alien dark matter life form that exists, could be near the center of the Earth like traditional 1800's and before devil pictures, like what is used for Halloween today.
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Theories are verified not by words and equation,but by truth and value.
My equilibrium theory have not verified yet,but by as if completing a puzzle by reading some of my posted comments to discussions i participated,scientist may agree that gravity is time.

T=me do the equilibrium of radius to its circumference. About this conclusion,i post in Albert Einstein forum. And about your theory of explaining red shift to prove big bang,shall by equations that support my theory be disprove,, sorry to big bang fanatics! But everything in this world is a matter of time.

Never say that i try beating someone. Your words as of theory understand by only you. But i'm trying everyone as possible to understand my limit.

I'm friendly and i'm here not to beat someone,but to show limit for someone to beat.
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Volcilord
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I checked out the Einstein topics, and there are not nearly as many posts on those topics as on "The Ultimate Fate of the Universe," or on "Is Time Travel Possible." As for the topic of time before the Big Bang, I agree that time existed before the Big Bang. I also agree that some energy is transmitted faster than light. I would swap today's nuclear reactors, for UFOs with little green men to describe dorsum better, as little green men moon toys appearing next to a nuclear reactor is just too perfect. A large nuclear reactor needs 1400 tons of uranium as a gold heap, to produce 1 billion watts of electricity, more than enough metal to be the envy of any antichrist.
Th-232-90 would be formed in the first supernovas, with a 14.1 billion year half life that is longer than the time since the Big Bang, where the speed of light becomes finite as the electron gains a rest mass. Nuclear molecules stabilized by valence helium-6 around a tighter nucleus would exist before the Big Bang, like Th-232-90. Neutrino oscillation theory, would allow me to say that neutrons in valence helium-6 can be dark matter muons in valence of dark matter protons to the amount needed by neutrino oscillation theory.
Sound waves would transmit energy through deep space before the Big Bang, nineteenth century ether theory, and when a star's gravitational field got strong enough, light replaced sound for trasmission through empty space. Before the Big Bang, muon rest mass would be increasing as sound wave transmission speed decreases. Sound waves interact with whole atoms instead of by electrical charge. Ater the Big Bang, electron rest mass increases as the speed of light proportionally decreases to explain red shift.
The high density of elements centered on osmium, element 76, but extending to gold and red alloys of mercury and plutonium, would use a dark matter tau particle with a dark matter proton in valence as well. The intermediate vector boson as a virtual particle, determines what mass is critical mass to a nuclear reactor.
Dark matter photons, by faster than light, could transmit energy out of a newly formed black hole. Electron capture by neutrino, supernova 1987A observed, with neutrino transmission using probability instead of the speed of light, would be to dark matter photons. Netrinoes transmit energy at the speed of light well away from the presence of critical mass.
Moon toys (dorsum) made by gold bar could swap uranium fuel for gold bar for the same thing. To make illusions that include moon toys, critical mass approach may be breaking speed of light transmission speed. After the speed of light drops enough to produce the Big Rip 22 billion years from now, any intelligent life would be dorsum.
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185185
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Sound waves do travel with medium like air and i don't think it will in a vacuum like in a vastness of space in universe.

If th 232-90 was made artificially,universe and nature was created naturally.

If electron rest mass increases as the speed of light proportionally decreases,then what is the relationship between electron and speed of light?
Equation shall have it prove if true as electron do have mass.
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Volcilord
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Long after the intermediate vector boson was discovered by Fermilab that is required for electroweak theory, a more massive particle has been discovered by CERN. It may be the intermediate vector boson for what makes naturally occuring nuclear molecules, where valence helium-6 stabilizes Cm-250-96 by Pu-244-94, by U-238-92, by Th-232-90, and then by Ra-226-88. My idea is that valence helium-6 has two dark matter muons in valence that are observed as neutrons. Before the Big Bang, something has to transmit energy through the ether, and whole atoms without electrons would have to use sound.
When dorsum (living dolls) are made by the approach of critical mass by heaping up the gold by the very rich, like the Monopoly Game street repairs Chance Card joke, something very tiny grows larger over time by using probability to teleport from one location to another. This means that if a military ever tries to invade by teleport, the other side would be enriched with a whole army of very tiny dolls like men. Sound and whole atoms can teleport, by not electromagnetism. Teleport to make dorsum would use how the universe existed before the Big Bang.
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185185
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Sound is just a disturbance as traveling frequencies of wave in atoms and molecules such as air and water. Sound exist nothing as matter but only disturbance in matter,just as if a bell ring by hammer,pinging your ear since the air drum disturbs by disturbed air.
No sound exist in atom but particles.. big bang? a great lie to poison human,it tries humankind to believe that all are from accident,and not created.

What's your another proofs for big bang??
still i can't believe you.
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Volcilord
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If sound and muons instead of electromagnetism transmitted energy before the Big Bang, this allows the half life of supernova produced thorium to predate the Big Bang, valence helium-6 in a nuclear molecule stabilizes thorium-232 by dark matter muons posing as neutrons to produce the observed stability of a 14.1 billion year half life. The first part of Genesis states "Let There Be Light and There Was Light" is why the Big Bang does not deny the Bible. Charles Darwin does deny by Evolution the theology of Adam and the Fallen Man that follows the first part of Genesis. Like the legends kept by the Native American Church in the USA, including the Piasa Bird paintings in the St Louis, Missouri metropolitan area; the later part of Genesis has cosmology based upon legends handed down from generation to generation. The flood of Noah is like the ships buried in Egypt found next to the pyramids, a probable source of the legend of Noah.
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185185
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But it is by big bang theory explaining that earth and other planets came from the sun by explosion of it while forming as a star. Meaning that light came first before the earth and contradicts the bible.

Mass came first before the light,since the source is mass.
In Genesis it says "let there be light and there was light", it was because that earth needs light from sun for biological reason and sustaining life on earth.
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Thankfully, the Earth being all right.

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What if the light has a halflife of say 20 billion lightyears redshifting while travelling so many lightyears so that it flatlines and fades away after travelling 20 billion lightyears. Then light from far away would appear redshifted by the inverse square of it's distance from us and the universe is not really expanding at all? Or maybe it isn't acellerating but is expanding at a reasonable rate. I beleave in the cyclic universe theory that there will be a big crunch and another big bang. I mean why would we be dead center of it's expansion anyways?
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I use the 14.1 billion year half life of thorium-232-90, since it was formed by the first supernova, and is almost stable as a nuclear molecule with valence helium-6, as evidence of matter before the Big Bang. By neutrino oscillation theory, valence helium-6 would also have a dark matter proton with a valence dark matter muon just inside the electron cloud, the dark matter proton posing as a neutron. Before the Big Bang sound waves would transmit through empty space that to 1800's physics is called ether. The speed of sound would slow with time, as muon rest mass increases with time, until sound waves enter gravitational pits so strong that sound cannot escape, and electromagnetism is born. The electron rest mass starts at zero and increases over time, as the speed of light drops from infinite from the Big Bang to the Big Rip 22 billion years from now, where the speed of light becomes slow enough for the entire Milky Way galaxy to become a black hole. Black holes are where the Big Rip has ended the current universe. Inside a black hole, polymers of carbon are in the position of element 85, as molecules become part of the atomic nucleus. Inside the Big Bang, the approach of critical mass makes nuclear molecules, like U-235-92, behave as if polymers, just a much bigger blast possible than with TNT.
The approach of critical mass, by gold-197 to create life energy levels, is called hoarding. A headhanger (soul collecting Rune Quest monster) with such a hoard is called a dragon (seven-headed Tiamat). Dorsum associated with hoarding (moon toys or living dolls), not a correct living thing, gets to be a dragon. Substituting a nuclear submarine for the sea god Tiamat, is a life energy level joke.
As long as the cosmology student accepts Charles Darwin as fact instead of 4004 BC of the Bible, he is studying natural science instead of divinity. Mary Baker Eddy of Christian Science still did not accept Charles Darwin as fact, and his theory of evolution caused uproar form the pulpit all over the Christian world back in the 1800's. A nuclear submarine is what Mary Baker Eddy meant by devil as personalized evil.
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I don't believe in dark matter or dark energy. I have other theories that explain the symptoms that lead scientists to theorize dark matter and dark energy. Gravity pulls in space-time and stores it like a battery. The only reason matter responds to gravity is because the matter is following that space-time that gravity is pulling in.
The effect this tension has on light is to cause it to redshift over time and distance while traveling through space. This gives the appearance to us that the universe is accelerating in it's expansion because gravity is an acceleration. Gravity is accelerating it's pull on space-time as the universe ages. This gives an acceleration to the pull that is redshifting the light as it travels through the increased tensioned space-time. The universe is not accelerating in it's expansion it just looks like it is.
the dark matter situation is this. The reason galactic arms seem to travel so fast they should escape the gravity of their galaxy is not because of dark matter but because they are following the space-time that the central black hole is pulling in. thats why we have "Barred spirals". In a barred spiral centrifugal effect is countering the motion of the space-time the black hole is pulling in giving the barred effect.
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Your "theory" is easily testable. We know from radioactive decay how old the solar system is: 4.5 billion years. We also know from Cepheid variables how far away the closest galaxies are. Now, IF gravity is pulling space-time as you say, all stars and galaxies are in space-time. They would be moving toward each other. That produces a blue shift in wavelength, not a red one. Also, gravity over the course of 4.5 billion years would have pulled many of the closer galaxies together.

It really doesn't matter whether you "believe" in dark matter or dark energy. Your explanation simply does not stand testing with the evidence we have. If you really think you are correct, work out the math and submit to ArXiv.org, which is an online e-print service for astrophysics, physics, and math.
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Volcilord
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It is very hard for me to think like Steven Hawking to write equations for black hole radiation. I am using the 14.1 billion year half life of Th-232-90, created by the first supernovas, where sound waves through an 1800's universe of ether became the Big Bang when sound waves could no longer escape intense gravity, whole atom movement produces sound where electrons produce light. Muons that produce valence for naturally found nuclear molecules while appearing as neutrons, would propagate energy by sound waves before the Big Bang. Inside a black hole, light would have a rest mass required to propagate, just like with sound on Earth today. The ramjet or afterburner on fighter aircraft are acoustical triode circuits, the inlet for supersonic air the cathode, burning oil the control grid for amplifying velocity, and the air outlet the anode. A very massive neutron star could by quantum mechanical tunneling, ignore the speed of light at the core, with only the surface of the star outside the event horizon. Nuclear fusion could complete just outside the event horizon, to allow two neutrino bursts hours apart, like what was observed with supernova 1987A.
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schonovic
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I can't say I understand your reference to sound in space. Myself I can understand why people don't understand what I am saying because they would have to give up on all understanding about dark matter and dark energy as my theory is an alternate interpretation of the effects that lead scientists to conceptualizing dark matter and dark energy.
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Volcilord
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Genesis 1 "Let there be light and there was light," could be the Big Bang, with the previous universe used muons and sound conduction instead of electromagnetism. The 1800's space opera gave all spaceflight an atmosphere that could conduct sound, using astral spell if the fiction writer was Edgar Rice Burroughs writing John Carter of Mars. Stage magic uses the smaller it is the easier the trick is, and the approach of critical mass by gold hoarding and the like, no different than the original Arc of the Covenant. China would like Arc of the Covenant power, that substitutes Communist derived eternal death religion helped by nuclear power, for the eternal death promised by rabbi for Jewish witchcraft. Jesus was a Jewish witch to his peers at Jerusalem, including Judas the traitor.
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schonovic
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Previous universe? There was no previous universe. There wasn't even time before the universe. Don't muons have a halflife. how could they live without time?
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schonovic
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I concede your point Lucaspa. Very clever reasoning. I still go with the cyclic universe theory, we all have our quirks, (chuckle).
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Volcilord
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Making living dolls (dorsum) for infants by approaching the nuclear reactor critical mass by hoarding, is Jewish withcraft. The two cherubims on the Arc of the Covenant are dorsum instead of sculpture. Sir Mixalot "Baby's Got Back" video is a funny Curse of Ephesus lips sofa about dorsum. The artist Salvador Dali made the first red lips sofa, which by fascist Spain became a Curse of Ephesus. Hoarding causes headhanging, (soul collection by Tiamat,)to produce dorsum once the head falls off it's stalk; in common English, a dragon is a half insect half reptile Rune Quest headhanger. People affected by dorsum do crazy things, like being unable to quit speaking in ubbi dubbi on Nickelodian.
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lucaspa
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"humans are perfect created being .."

This reminds me of a joke:

Three engineers are discussing the human body: an electrical engineer, a hydraulic engineer, and a civil engineer. The electrical engineer says "The human body was designed by an electrical engineer. Look at the complex of wires that carry electrical impulses that are the nerves and brain." The hydraulic engineer says "No, the human body was designed by a hydraulic engineer. Look at the magnificent pump that is the heart and the series of pipes that are the blood vessels." The civil engineer then says "You're both wrong. The human body was designed by a civil engineer. Who else would run a toxic waste pipe through the middle of a recreation area?
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lucaspa
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It's simple deductive logic. The kind we teach to the Ph.D. students so they can have a successful career in science.

Cyclic universe is falsified. Hawking and others have shown that, if the universe cycles, it can never go back to its original state. 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. So, after less than 10 cycles, there is too much entropy to allow a universe like the one we live in to form. IF you "go with" a cyclic universe, then we have to be at the beginning.

Of course, this ignores all the recent data that shows the universe is expanding too fast for gravity to ever collapse it. So there is no way to "cycle".
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lucaspa
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But the 1800s universe has been falsified. No aether. No medium needed to propagate light "like" sound waves.

A massive neutron star could not have any surface "outside the event horizon". It would collapse into the black hole. Since the black hole is infinitely "deep", there would be no portion of the wave function to be "outside" the event horizon. Remember, quantum tunneling depends on the probability that part of the wave function is on the other side of the energy barrier. The probability would be so low that you would never have enough neutrons at such a low probability that they could form a solid surface. Quantum tunneling does not work on a macroscopic level.

Again, if you are serious about this and your non-standard view of the data and theories of physics, then submit to ArXiv and let physicists-peers look it over.
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lucaspa
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Then do NOT tell us. Tell the lead scientists! Publish your stuff in ArXiv. Telling us makes no difference to you or science. The only thing it does is perhaps bolster your ego by "awing" non-physicists and shields you from informed criticism so your ego is not bruised.

ALL new theories (and the scientists who proposed them) we admire were proposed to fellow scientists. Maxwell, Einstein, Hawking, Milgrom, etc. All proposed "alternative interpretations" of something. All convinced their fellow scientists by evidence and reasoning that their interpretation was correct.

Sometimes they fail. For instance, Milgrom proposed MOdified Newtonian Dynamics (MOND) to account for the movement of stars in galaxies that is explained by dark matter. MOND has been tested:
1. C Seife, Radical gravity theory hits large scale snag. Science 292: 1629, June1, 2001 MOND (modified Newtonian dynamics) alters some properties of gravity to eliminate the need for dark matter, but doesn't fit with General Relativity. Recent observations show it is at odds with observations of galaxy clusters. "Missing" peak in CMB thought support for MOND, but peak found. The data "disagree very strongly with MOND's prediction," says Aguirre. "MOND is not a viable alternative to dark matter in clusters."

What was Milgrom's response to the falsification?
"As its inventor, I would like it [MOND] to be a revolution, but I look at it coolly. I will be very sad, but not shocked if turns out to be dark matter."

Why do I have the feeling that YOU will NEVER give up on your particular theory? I think that is why you promote it to people that "don't understand what I am saying". By doing that, you will never get an argument you feel you can't answer and will never have to face what Milgrom did.
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schonovic
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I'm sure that many people have had to face the fact that they are wrong about their perception of the universe. What I don't understand is that how can we possibly think we know so much about the overall universe and we haven't even been to mars yet.
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Volcilord
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I read NASA daily, and the reason man is not to Mars yet is that the risk of failure over the long term for living things is much more than for a machine. Between the solar sail and solar electric propulsion, is a thin film with plutonium-238-94 on one side to produce thrust by alpha particle decay. To the extent that light is 1800's cosmology ether, the solar sail produces thrust. Dark matter could be matter where the muon and the electron have different rest masses for an altered speed of light to it. Pre-Big Bang and black hole creation would both produce such dark matter. The current universe would be the Big Rip to matter before the Big Bang, dark matter that still interacts by gravitation with normal matter. Black holes are the Big Rip if the speed of light is slowing with time, as the electron proportionally increases in rest mass enough to account for the observed red shift of galaxies.
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Austin7X
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The ultimate fate of the universe is dependant on the shape of the universe and what role dark energy will play at the universe ages
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schonovic
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The universe is infinite; it does not have a shape. Light has a half life or we'd be seeing light from every where with no darkness. I have a good idea. I theorized a faster than light drive then found a guy who worked on the Ronald Reagan Star Wars program and he confirmed my theory. Then I theorized an electromagnetic propulsion system which was confirmed for me in a book called "secrets of antigravity propulsion" by Paul A. LaViolette, PH. D. Just because I didn't come to these conclusions by mathematics doesen't mean I didn't come to these conclusions on my own self education. This sight is for people to voice their opinions upon the ultimate fate of the universe; not to have a physics duel. If you want that you'll have much better competition on the physics forum since I'm obviously not on your level.
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Volcilord
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The Big Rip is also the Big Crunch, if red shift is explained by slowing the speed of light over time and proportionally increasing electron rest mass, from infinite light speed and zero electron rest mass at the Big Bang.
Religion gets rid of extra dimensions absolute, by using astrological planet Venus for recuperendo for heaven 35 miles up, and the hot red surface hell. A blimp that floats by Earth's atmosphere in almost pure carbon dioxide at atmospheric pressure at 55-60 degrees Fahrenheit 35 miles up; could float 144,000 souls for 1000 years. Magic tricks helped by nuclear reactor critical mass by gold hoarding, is how souls get loaded into that Ledd Zeppelin.
Pharisees of Jesus' time limited salvation to 144,000 souls before The Rapture by the Book of Esdras 2; and tried Jesus and John the Baptist for witchcraft, for refusal to correctly accept Hebrew tradition. By magic trick, the smaller it is, the easier, which is why small birds were burned for sin forgiveness by Judaism under Rome. The Book of Esdras 2 is from Persia, and is Mithras as interpreted by Hebrew, Marduk is by imagery The Lion of Judah. Crucifixion as for execution by the Law of Moses, gave human sacrifice blessing to traditional Hebrew; and unfortunately witch trials in Europe, blessed Christianity with the preservation of tradition, even if no souls are saved.
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KennyJames22
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“The universe as it relates to conscious life can be understood now. It is the ultimate truth; the truth that will transform mankind and the world.”

-from page 2 of “The Present.”

If you are a truth seeker, open “The Present” at TruthContest _ c0m. This is truth you can check for yourself.
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