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Masada007
THE FORBIDDEN GOSPEL


Ladies and Gentlemen, listen to this conversation and tell me, at the end, if it makes any sense to you. It's about the forbidden Gospel.

One day, Jesus summoned his disciples, the Twelve, and asked them to sit down for he had a very impotant message to convey to them. Some thing new they needed to learn.

Colloquially, the conversation went thus:

Jesus: Beloved, the time has come to send you on a mission with the gospel about the Kingdom of God. I am giving you authority to expell evil spirits, and to cure sickness, and disease of every kind. (Mat. 10:1)

Thomas: Wow! That will be cool! We will actually be able to cure people of their diseases as well as to exorcize
evil spirits? That will be the day!

Jesus: Don't be too excited Thomas, there is a catch to it. You cannot take this gospel to the Gentiles, and I forbid you even to enter a Samaritan town; to the Jews only, if you understand what I mean. (Mat. 10:5)

Thomas: I knew it! No wonder I was smelling the rat here somewhere. How can we do this among people who don't even believe in demons?

Jesus: I know it. That's why I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. Just be clever. (Mat. 10:16)

Peter: Master, there is something I do not understand here. What's the reason for the prohibition to take the gospel of the Kingdom of God to the Gentiles if we have all been assigned as light unto the Gentiles, according to
Isaiah 42:6?

Jesus: Peter, you are still too stuck to the old Law. That was in the old dispensation. With the change of the Priesthood, it has become necessary a change also of the Law. (Heb. 7:12)

Matthew: But Master, didn't you confirm the Law even down to the letter? (Mat. 5:19)

Jesus: Well, I'll send Saul, aka Paul, and he will explain how it all happened with my soon-to-come crucifixion. (Ephe. 2:15; Heb. 7:12)

Matthew: Whatever, but really, why forbid the Gentiles a share of your gospel? I still do not understand!

Jesus: Just let it be for now, Matthew. When the church of Paul is well established, hordes of evangelists will be sent by the Church to spread the gospel throughout the world. (This started in the 4th Century soon after Christianity was adopted as the official religion of the Roman Empire by Constantine in 310 ACE.)

The bottom line, ladies and gentlemen, is that the gospel of Jesus was, originally, forbidden to be taken to the Gentiles, and, unbelievably, by Jesus himself. Even Paul, albeit a self-proclaimed apostle to the Gentiles, never,
actually, stood by his own claim. His whole life was to take the gospel to the Jews, as he would preach only in the synagogues of the Jews.

Believe it or not, were not for the Catholic Church, Christianity would still be no more than a simple hellenistic cult.

Now, if this does not make sense to you, let us talk about it.

Ben
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AbdulKalam
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To begin with, what do u want to say?
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Ben007Masada
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For one, not what you are ready to hear. By this question of
yours after this thread, you either did not read it or did not understand what it is about.
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AbdulKalam
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Ok you have composed a good conversation that are never mentioned in the bible. What you have done will be called interpolation if a printed version of this post is published.

You just explain eph 2.15 to me . . Don't ask me to look up, I want to see what u say. . .

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Ben007Masada
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This is not an interpolation but an arrangement organized in the form of a dialogue in terms of a speculation to prove
a contradictory Christian doctrine. It is not literal but the evidences are well asserted, according to the text.

The point is to prove that, instead of demolishing the wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles, Jesus rather built further bricks into it.
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Puckish
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BUT in the Parable of the Good Samaritan Jesus taught that "Foreigners" could be good , were Human ! [an Anti-Racism teaching by Jesus , against the distrust and hatred of foreigners]
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Puckish
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Jews , or Gentiles too ?

"And the angel of the Lord . . . said unto them [the shepherds] . . I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to ALL PEOPLE "
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Ben007Masada
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So, why would Jesus go against the good tidings of the angel
that he had been born to be for all people, and forbade his disciples to take his gospel of salvation to the Gentiles?
(Mat. 10:5,6) If this is not a contradiction, which text is a later interpolation, the one of the good tidings brought by the angel or that of Jesus forbidding his disciples to take the good tidings to the Gentiles?

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Puckish
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Interesting ; so there are parts of the Bible which are contradictory .
And what of Jesus picture of the good Samaritan [modern-day, he might have written about a Good Muslim , who helped a passer-by who had been mugged].
Thus Gentiles are not so bad, after all.
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Ben007Masada
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Talking about contradictions? That's the NT alright. IMHO, Jesus' picture of the "Good Samaritan" was not Jesus' but a Pauline simile with the intent to promote his policy of Replacement Theology. Given the contradiction of the text with Matthew 10:5,6, Jesus would never put that down the Jewish leaders by comparing them with a people he had no preference for.

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Yoda55
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Ben007Masada wrote: "So, why would Jesus go against the good tidings of the angel that he had been born to be for all people, and forbade his disciples to take his gospel of salvation to the Gentiles? (Mat. 10:5,6) If this is not a contradiction, which text is a later interpolation, the one of the good tidings brought by the angel or that of Jesus forbidding his disciples to take the good tidings to the Gentiles?"

Jesus stated that He was sent to address the Hebrew nation, in (His visitation and) teaching about what God wants. He didn't contradict the Law. In fact, He upheld it in its entirety. But, if you intend to fix a broken house, then where do you begin? Do you start with the roof, or with the foundation? Israel was "chosen" because of the tenacity of their obedience to a unitary deity - God. They were favored because of this. They were charged with learning and living God's requirements - AND, they were to teach the rest of the world what they knew... They didn't. They were so wrapped in their unique standing (and hereditary perpetuation) that they ceased listening to the second part of their charge.

Hebrew isolationism was taken to the extreme, when responding to God's admonition to remain unsullied by having Gentiles living in their midst. The extreme was reinforced by the dissolution of the northern ten tribes, which scattered them away from their homeland.

And, why not go to the Samaritans? They were hybrids - Hebrews inter-marrying with Gentiles. The "pure" Hebrew leadership despised the transplants.

The disciples were sent to Israel FIRST, to continue what Jesus had begun. Later, Peter was given visions instructing him to visit the Gentiles. Why? See Matthew 5:8-13. Jesus stated that such faith was not evident in the Hebrew nation - the centurion was a Gentile! Paul was not the only apostle sent to the Gentiles, but he was the first.

If the rest of the world was to hear about what Jesus spoke, then how were they to learn it if the Hebrews failed to communicate it?

Ben007Masada wrote: "IMHO, Jesus' picture of the "Good Samaritan" was not Jesus' but a Pauline simile..."

Check the Gospel of John 4 (that's right, NOT Paul). Jesus was doing what the Sanhedrin considered a violation of Hebrew purity and social rules - He spoke to a woman (not His wife) AND He had contact with a person they considered "unclean".

Jesus adhered, without fault, to the Law. He irritated the Sanhedrin by illuminating their hypocrisy and sense of privilege. Why hypocrisy? Anyone who transgresses even the least of the Law has violated ALL the Law. The Pharisees were no better than any common Israelite because they also sin. The Sanhedrin's false sense of superiority was their hypocrisy. Jesus did what the Hebrew people were tasked to do - spread the teaching to ALL (hybrid and Gentile).
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