Islam

Should Muslim women have to wear the hijab??

Wearing the hijab is a choice, but according to the Qur'an it is representative of two things. First, that they don't belong to anyone but Allah and second, that their beauty is for their husbands only. It is also representative of the liberation of women in society which explains why when the Women's Rights Movement during the FDR Administration and Sonia Johnson's Equal Rights Amendment Movement (ERA) in the 1970s and 1980s, Muslim women - where Islam is truly practiced and allowed - were confused because the Qur'an already liberated them 1400 years ago.

The hijab is also a protection from male chauvistic pigs who like the Apostle Paul think it is okay to "own" women and to dominate them. The Qur'an protects women from people who believe like Christians do - that women should sit down and shut up, at least Christians who believe that the New Testament is Scripture straight from God in spite of the evidence that the majority of the epistles are forgeries and the gospels are anonymous like the only apocrypha that was admitted into the Proto-Orthodox Canon of Scriptures.

So in answer to your question, women who wear the hijab are honoring Allah, the proper name of God that Arabic speaking Jews and Christians use, which has the same roots as the Hebrew name El and Adonai. By honoring Allah, they are making a statement that because they honor Allah, they also honor their husbands by maintaining their virtue for none other than their husbands.

But you have to realize that the Qur'an is like the Five Books of Moses, not like the Writings and the Prophets, and certainly nothing like the New Testament. The Qur'an and the Five Books of Moses, however, are and always have been from the get-go divine revelations. SO if you believe in investigating to dig up the truth, you will discover that Christianity is against its own religion, its own Scriptures, thus the identification of "infidel" or "unfaithful."

In conclusion, wearing the hijab because of some direct commandment from Allah is not provable for Jews and Muslim alike, but it is justified from the culture that one comes from.

Interesting but I am unclear how the hijab liberated women in the first place 1400 years ago.

is it because they belong only to god or because their beauty belongs to their husband alone? or both?

the idea of hiding beauty because of male chauvinist pigs seems like a coward's way out. Would it not be even more liberating to belong only to god, reserve your beauty for you husband singular attentions AND be openly beautiful despite the piggish behavior of society? Openly showing your beauty and demanding to be treated with normal human respect and dignity?

another smaller point, I have noticed that women who wear the hijab have the most singular eyes. It's all you can see and the sight is electrifying.

is this why some women wear the burkha?

honest questions

thanks
Dawn

Muslim women should not wear the hijab,if you are over 30,it is seems since the late ninties,SW asians have started to copy hardcore Arab muslim culture

Look mate what have you bought the bible into the question for?.......It was a simple question that just needed a simple answer and not your own personal view on jews and christians.And telling people what hebrew words means is quite patronising......asfar as i am concerned allah means"dog shit" and mohammed was a paedophile

There is no such thing as HIJAB litrarily mentioned in Quran.
For a peaceful society its obligatory for them to remain modest (according to their cultures )and do not reveal their beauty in public.

24:31 And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss.

Y.Ali

I could understand your anger but i believe what the lady is trying to explain it from a different point of view and the end of the day all of us are going to answer for what we say and what we do therefore name calling shouldn't even exist.

Hello Shamiah. COuld you answer my questions asked earlier in this thread?



Interesting but I am unclear how the hijab liberated women in the first place 1400 years ago.

is it because they belong only to god or because their beauty belongs to their husband alone? or both?

the idea of hiding beauty because of male chauvinist pigs seems like a coward's way out. Would it not be even more liberating to belong only to god, reserve your beauty for you husband singular attentions AND be openly beautiful despite the piggish behavior of society? Openly showing your beauty and demanding to be treated with normal human respect and dignity?

another smaller point, I have noticed that women who wear the hijab have the most singular eyes. It's all you can see and the sight is electrifying.

is this why some women wear the burkha?

honest questions

thanks
Dawn

thank you
Dawn

The hijab itself (or burxa) does not liberate the Muslimah. In fact, the hijab is not even Qur'anic, if truth be told. It is cultural, going back to the days of Abraham, maybe even further back. However, it in itself is merely a statement by women whose cultures wear the hijab that "I am the property of Allah only, and the act of 'tilthing' my beauty belongs only to my husband." Tilth is the word we use often to translate in certain passages of the Qur'an to indicate "the act of a man having sex" with wife. In some cultures, even among Muslim men in certain parts of Africa, it is the men who wear the hijab instead of the women to make the same statement.

As for the Qur'an, both men and women are called to lower their gaze and to protect their private parts, particularly what literally means slit and has been translated to mean vagina, but the Qur'an clearly tells women to cover what is normally not for the public to view namely their vaginas and breasts, such as (I'm assuming) in your society where the breasts must be covered, particularly the areolas. Granted, if you read the Qur'an carefully, in Arabic and not just the translations, you will find that in a society where it is legal and socially acceptable for women to walk around topless, I don't think we could find a passage in the Qur'an to counter that, only cultural interpretation of social mores from outside that culture, and not from the Qur'an because in such cases the Qur'an clearly states that their beauty [√zyn, zīnata-hunna] shall not be apparent except what is apparent to the Muslimah.
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24:31 (1) Say to the female believers, “They shall lower us from their appearances and shall protect us from their vaginas [cleavage, openings, slits] . (2) They shall not make their adornments (embellishments, beauty) apparent except what is apparent for her. (3) They are to fashion their covering over their bosoms. (4) They are to show their adornment only to
(4.1) their spouse or
(4.2) their dads or
(4.2.1) their spouse’s dad or
(4.3) their sons or
(4.3.1) the sons of their spouses or
(4.4)) their brothers or
(4.4.1) the sons of their brothers or
(4.4.2) the sons of their sisters or
(4.5) their women or
(4.5.1) what your right hand owns or
(4.5.2) male attendants who are without primary desire for the men or
(4.6) children who do not know about sinning with women.
(5) They are not to stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment and regret to Allāh, [so that] everybody, O believers, may succeed.

Thanks for the great info
er, I'm an American,just asking questions because I'm curious and this issue seems so divisive and charged. Just trying to understand.

I'm still not clear why I'm being told this liberates women or promotes freedom though.

Again, many thanks
Freedom is everything and diversity is Divine
Dawn

..Still not clear about what?

Hijab?
Modesty?
Freedom?

Do you understand "American Freedom"?

Do you?

Dawn

It seems you want to carry on the arguments for argument sake ONLY...and there is no end to such waste of time.

It's said "There's no freedom without a law" and "law" liberates people through the establishment of JUSTICE.

Apparant Modesty help reduce the social crimes if observed religiously.Many ancient religions subscribed VEILING for women due to the physical aspect. It doesn't mean men are exempted regarding the responsibly.
Men are expected to be her guardians, i.e fathers, brothers, husbands.

We all are living in hypocritical societies and are reasonless and directionless for our actions.We are doing things for doing sake, only.That's why it's hard to UNDERSTAND WHAT WE MEAN!!!!!!! lol!

Please provide evidence of this. As far as I know, women wearing a hijab is not Muslim at all. It's culture mixed in interpretation that has no real basis for fact.

I cannot disagree [corrected, sorry] with a thing you wrote. Not being from America, I would imagine that you are not familiar with the extreme censorship and suppression that Christians and their politicians impose on people of non-Christian faiths.

Granted, as a Muslim, I "choose" to obey the Qur'an because it answers all the questions that Christianity in all its forms could not answer during the decades that I grew up and was actively involved in Christianity, even as a minister of Christian religion. As regards my statement on nudity, I still believe in modesty by it's actual definition, but it has to be by choice. As for Americans going around publicly in the nude, I don't think that should be law one way or another, neither should a code of modesty of any kind. That interferes with the Constitutional right about Congress not making laws with regard to religion. That includes the subject of marriage in any form. Congress legally is prohibited from making laws with regard to marriage which is literally an institute of religion, but because of the Christian religion having such a stronghold in America, it does not matter what the law of the land is. They feel it is the right of their religious government to violate the law of the land and so they do.

To me, as you stated in context and very, very appropriately, true modesty is not in what the eyes see or the ears hear, but in righteousness, meaning, in my opinion, obedience (or submission) to Allah, which at this time in my current frame of mind is the Qur'an, which is very much like the Five Books of Moses in many ways, but nothing like the New Testament. Therefore, based on what I know is in the Qur'an, wearing a hijab is mentioned nowhere in the Qur'an in the context of people wearing one.

Everything that the Qur'an commands us to hide or cover is with righteousness, not a necessarily material matter. You end your thought with "So if we are what we eat...then we are what we wear ...too!" I agree totally, and that is why it is important to Jews and Muslims to eat Kosher. That is the only real and material hijab that is mentioned indirectly in the Qur'an.

There's nothing to 'disagree'....
Thanks for giving me an idea about American system and society ...
Salaam :)

Wa lay-kum salaam, Silent.

Hello Gentlemen,

God's blessings for you both, with all my heart. I apologize if I seemed divisive in asking about the veiling practices of Muslim women. I was curious and meant no disrespect.

Silent, I am a fervent lover of freedom and a questioner of everything. "Never assume", is a dearly held motto.

NK, you make excellent points and I have no argument, just an observation about marriage.

legal union should not be restricted for anyone. Under the Law, all people have the absolute right to join their legal, financial and physical lives with anyone else. Hell, if they are dumb enough to legal join with a chair, let them, just give them tee shirts that say IDIOT so the rest of us can see them coming and put away the sharp knives.

no religion should be forced to accept a marriage they do not approve of. religions are systems of judgment based on rules that religion deems worthy of God. we cannot infringe on that.

I believe this issue could be solved by declaring legal union and marriage to be different. Those that cannot find a church that will marry them can form their own church. Every courthouse in this country should recognize legal unions and be obligated to conduct them.

what do you think?
Dawn

As-salaamu alay-kum, Dawn:

I absolutely agree with you. Marry a chair if you want... lol. Because of the United States' laws I have my perspective for what should be acceptable in the United States; however, if I were in another country, depending on the laws of that land, I just might have a different perspective. For example, while the United States' law is the Constitution, I will always advocate against anything remotely representative of legislation regarding religion and the exercise thereof. Meanwhile, in a country that is a Muslim State that is based on interpretations of the Qur'an by whomever that country finds to be the authority in Qur'anic knowledge and application of ahadiyth, I would probably be opposed to certain types of marriage or whatever the parameter that is within that country's religious order, be it Islamic, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Uga Buga, Chuga Chuga...

But in the United States, the Constitution provides for freedom of religion and that Congress is not allowed legislate on that subject. That includes one's sexual orientation and belief in marriage (heterosexual, same-sex, polygamous, and so on). As a practicing Muslim, I agree totally with you, Dawn. While I am allowed to pray five times per day in America, let my brother or sister over yonder marry that old oak rocking chair!

Peace out, sister.

Nolan

Hi, this question is always asked and to answer this question goes back to basics Islam is a way of life how you eat, sleep, drink, walk, talk, dress and your total behaviour so to answer this question yes all Muslim women are to wear hijab, in the Qur'an says women are to draw their veils over their breast, you said this hides their beauty and their attraction that is the point women shouldn't be judge by their looks they have other natural attractions also if this practice was not a good one why are non Muslim men attracted to Muslim women and how come Muslim marriages are great success when a lot of non Muslim reject Islam because of this anyway Muslim women are respected and are more dignified because of the way they dress.

Shamiah Salaam!

I personally "prefer" to remain 'veiled' too, but I do not support a 'dress-code' like Hijab/burka/abaya which is being imposed as an arbitrary standard of 'Muslimhood'.It could be doputta (a long scarf), a chaadar (a shawl)a light coat etc..

Women and men are made for eachother and they have 'natural attractions' towards each other, inspite of every external measure taken as a precaution. It's nice and decent,...and quite justified to keep eachother 'at peace' by not displaying the natural or artificial' beauty in public!

Statement: This question goes back to basics Islam is a way of life how you eat, sleep, drink, walk, talk, dress and your total behaviour
Response: Yes, this is absolutely true, and to this point I agree, but the Islamic way of life is not between mankind and mankind, but between individual human beings and their Maker.

Statement: So to answer this question [is] yes all Muslim women are to wear hijab, in the Qur'an says women are to draw their veils over their breast...
Response: The Qur'an does not support your claim here, but culture does. Let's briefly review the facts.

My Exhibit A, The Word
THE WORD "HIJAB" [√hjb] in the QURAN:
Exhibit A.1
"Hijab" is the term used by many Muslim women to describe their head cover that may or may not include covering their face except their eyes, and sometimes covering also one eye. The Arabic word "Hijab" can be translated into veil or yashmak. Other meanings for the word "Hijab" include, screen, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider.

Can we find the word "Hijab" in the Quran??

Exhibit A.2
The word "Hijab" appeared in the Quran 7 times, five of them as "Hijab" and two times as "Hijaban," these are 7:46, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51, 17:45 & 19:17.

None of these "Hijab" words are used in the Quran in reference to what the traditional Muslims call today (Hijab) as a dress code for the Muslim woman.

God knows that generations after Muhammed's death the Muslims will use the word "Hijab" to invent a dress code that He never authorized. God used the word "Hijab" ahead of them just as He used the word "Hadith" ahead of them.

Hijab in the Quran has nothing to do with the Muslim Women dress code. (The Monotheist Group found online)

My Exhibit B, HISTORICAL BACKGROUND:
Exhibit B.1
While many Muslims call "Hijab", an Islamic dress code, they completely ignore the fact that, Hijab as a dress code has nothing to do with Islam and nothing to do with QURAN.

Exibit B.2
In reality "Hijab" is an old Jewish tradition that infiltrated into the hadith books like many innovations that contaminated Islam through alleged Hadith and Sunna. These in reality, came from Jewish origin. Any student of the Jewish traditions or religious books will see that head cover for the Jewish woman is encouraged by the Rabbis and religious leaders. Religious Jewish women still cover their heads most of the time and specially in the synagogues, weddings, and religious festivities.

Exhibit B.3
Christian women cover their heads in many religious occasions while the nuns cover their heads all the time. This religious practice of covering the head was established from traditions thousands of years before the Muslim scholars claimed the Hijab as a Muslim dress code.
The traditional Arabs, of all religions, Jews, Christians and Muslims used to wear "Hijab," not because of Islam, but because of tradition. In Saudi Arabia, up to this minute most of the men cover their head, not because of Islam but because of tradition. Thank God this tradition has not been counted as Islamic dress code yet.

Exhibit B.4
North Africa is known for its Tribe (Tuareg) that have the Muslim men wearing "Hijab" instead of women. Here the tradition has the hijab in reverse. If wearing Hijab is the sign of the pious and righteous Muslim woman, Mother Teresa would have been the first woman to be counted.
In brief, hijab is a traditional dress and has nothing to do with Islam or religion. In certain areas of the world, men are the ones who wear the hijab while in others the women do.

Exhibit B.5
Mixing religion with tradition is a form of idol-worship, because not knowing (or not trying to find out) what God asked you to do in His book, the Quran, is a sign of disregarding God and His message. When tradition supersedes God's commandment, the true religion takes a second place. God never accepts to be second, God has to be always the FIRST and to HIM there is no second.
(The Monotheist Group)

ARGUMENT ONE based on Exhibits A and B
Exhibits A and B are from The Monotheist Group website, and yet they bring out the point that √hjb is nowhere used to prescribe such a dress code for women, so I ask you now where you support that all Muslim women wearing hijab is Islamic. That is not Islamic based at all; HOWEVER, it certainly is culturally based and based on your culture it becomes "opinion" not Islamic.

Statement: you said this hides their beauty and their attraction
Response: Please quote me properly so that I can make a proper response. Thanks.

Statement: that is the point[;] women shouldn't be judge[d] by their looks
Response: I don't see any point made. Please clarify. Thanks.

Statement: they have other natural attractions also
Response: I agree, but that says nothing to prove your case with regard to your opinion that all women should wear hijab because that is supposedly Islamic.

Question: if this practice was not a good one why are non Muslim men attracted to Muslim women[?]
Response: Why is anyone attracted to whatever they are attracted to? Not all non-Muslim men are attracted to Muslim women, and there is no polling source to my knowledge to make your assumption worthy of accepting as fact.

Question: how come Muslim marriages are great success when a lot of non Muslim reject Islam[?]
Response: There are a lot of great marriage success stories outside of Islam as well, but these success stories have nothing to do with religion. These success stories have everything to do with how both [in some cases all] parties involved approach the marriage relationship. Successful Muslim marriages being great and non-Muslims rejecting Islam are not related topics. You're mixing apples and horses here. Doesn't work in the real world.

Your Answer to your own baseless question: because of this anyway Muslim women are respected and are more dignified because of the way they dress.
Response: Granted, my personal experience through conversations with non-Muslim men and women, Muslimah whether they wear hijab or not are very highly regarded in the society that I live in although the Christian Terrorist Network has a stronghold where I live. Personally, maybe because I am prejudiced in that I am a Muslim, I find the hijab very dignifying for a woman whether she is a Muslim, Jew, Christian, or just a very modest woman.

Some Humour!

It's really meaningless to find a word in Quran which has recently been invented on account of the Language, only...:)

(..like. It would be equally ridicuous to find the word abaaya (because it is used in Arabian Society)... and 'not' Burka (A South-Eastern replacement...Urdu)..obviously...)

In sophisticated 'Urdu'..the word Hijab (Hijaab as it is pronounced )= VEIL, is used in poetry frequently with some rhyming words in other verses...like Gulaab (rose) Jawaab (reply) Shabaab (youth) Sharaab (Vine)...and Kabaab...of-course!( everyone knows what a kabaab/kebob is)....:)

Hijaab in normal Urdu is called 'Purdah'= Veil,Cover,Screen..etc

I don't remember exactly but I think it's Akbar Ilahabadi(Indian) Poetry..

BE-PURDAH nazar aaieen kul jo chund 'bibiaan'
Akbar zameen main ghairat e deeni se gur gaya
poocha jo hum ne aap ka PURDAH woh kia hoa?????
Kehne lugin keh AQAL ki 'murdon' pe pur gaya....!

Meaning:
I saw some UN-VEILED LADIES,yesterday
I felt so ashamed because of the respect of my 'Religion'
I asked them 'What happened to your VEILS ladies"?
They replied' It's covering/veiling GENTLEMEN'S WISDOM, these days!!!!!!!

(No PUN Intended!!!)

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Hijaab is a respectable practice as a 'form' of veil.
Hijaab is meaningless if it's not covering women's bossom.(or if her dress is too tight)
We can't blame men for not taking care ourselves..for instance..if a woman calls a staring man , a pig, (as examplified in one of the above posts)then most certainly the man will choose to call her , a bitc---, for showing her cleavage ,on the contrary!

Muslim men are required to lower their gaze while dealing with a woman..it's "veiling" too!

[24:30] Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is aware of what they do.

Dear dawn Thanks for calling me ADVERSARY...Well.. who's Judging now..?
May God bless you and your family and protect your kids from all harms of body , mind and soul! Ameen

Wassalaam

RE: Post that began as follows:

Hello Shamiah, Nolan, and my favorite adversary, Silent

So, what two of you are saying is, if I choose to wear something
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Since my name came up, I am assuming that it is assumed that such is my position on the matter.

Dawn said:
So, what two of you are saying is, if I choose to wear something a man might find provocative and titillating, I can be raped without consequence? that revealing the beauty of my hair, skin, the shape of my legs, breasts, and buttocks, the curve of my calf accentuated by a high heel shoe is 'asking for it' regarding the respectful behavior of men?

My response:
That's certainly not my perspective. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Regardless of what a woman wears - sexxy or not - no man has a right to lay his hand on her, rape her, or engage in any behavior that is not becoming of a true gentleman. If the woman is clicking heels at the men, maybe she needs to be more careful about where she's hanging out.

I don't care about the gender preference of my children, but it matters to me whether they are ladies or gentlemen, respectful of others, seekers of peace, and devout in their beliefs and standards.

As for how you stated that you will raise your son, I'm behind you 100%. Male chauvanism is for insecure, weak, and fake men (opinion, not Islam). Regardless of sex drive, I find it deplorable that anyone can blame one person's actions on the way another person dresses. If your son is raised to be a "real" man, just as you say, "...regardless of whether he is naked or clothed, he will be safe in the garments of God, as are we all, if only we would understand Him." That is proper upbringing by the standards I grew up with, and in that sense, he would be a son of my own pride. You go, girl!

Nono

Addition: As far as I can see this forum is about ISLAM...and we all are discussing our understanding about VEILING...according to QURAN under this topic.

This discussion obviously involves MUSLIM WOMEN directly and MEN indirectly.

VEILING is a requirment of ISLAM which is not a RELIGION by definition ONLY ..but ALSO is a DEEN= A WAY OF LIVING.

However no one can impose/force anyone against his/her WIIL.

QURAN tells us that although many of us (including me) may call themselves Muslims, but it's not possible until we submit by our 'hearts'.

49:14 The Arabs said, "We are Mu'mens (believers)." Say, "You have not believed; what you should say is, `We are Muslims (submitters),' until belief is established in your hearts." If you obey GOD and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Obviously asking a person ,who is not 'saying that he/she is Muslim' ,either.... to do any thing on behalf of ISLAM ... is out-of-question.

I encourage Muslims who will read this to participate to help us remove the DOUBTS ABOUT ISLAM and strive for their religion....and SPEAK UP...

Wassalaam

RE: Post that begins as follows.

Addition: As far as I can see this forum is about ISLAM...and we all are discussing our understanding about VEILING...according to QURAN under this topic.
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Silent stated:
Addition: As far as I can see this forum is about ISLAM...and we all are discussing our understanding about VEILING...according to QURAN under this topic.

This discussion obviously involves MUSLIM WOMEN directly and MEN indirectly.

Response:
Respectfully and absolutely, I disagree with your statement above. The subject matter is about hijab in Islam, not Islam in general, and this subject is not about men or women directly or indirectly. It's about hijab from an Islamic perspective which means that the subject matter has to be supported by the Qur'an to maintain Islamic backing. The Qur'an, as I pointed out in earlier posts, the Qur'an does not use the word "hijab" in reference to modesty, but veiling as presented in the Qur'an, "ximar," is taken too often out of context to support the traditional concept of wearing hijab. The subject matter thus pertains to "Is a woman wearing a hijab, burxa, etc. prescribed in Islam?" Emphatically and in context, I say no.

Silent said: VEILING is a requirment of ISLAM which is not a RELIGION by definition ONLY ..but ALSO is a DEEN= A WAY OF LIVING.

Response: Veiling in context, yes, but as pertains to hijab, no. √dyn represents a standard or pattern of behavior, so in that sense, I agree that it means "a way of life and living" versus the usual translation of "religion" which comes from the Latin root religio which has everything to do with "supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice" which has been best defined by Webster's dictionary as "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith." Islam in this sense is the religion of Allah, but the religion of Muslims is to embrace the standards of Allah's religion. As I have explained in earlier posts, it's important to distinguish between Allah's religion and a Muslim's standards. There is only one true religion, and that is the religion of Allah, but the Muslim does not join His religion, neither does anyone else. A Muslim as with all mankind is called to embrace the standards of the religion of Allah, especially the Jews and Christians through the Qur'an. Muslims are not called to have or join religion. They are only called to embrace Allah's religion.

Silent said:
QURAN tells us that although many of us (including me) may call themselves Muslims, but it's not possible until we submit by our 'hearts'.

Response:
Whether a person is a Muslim or not is not really anyone else's business but the Muslim himself because the relationship is between the Muslim and Allah. HOWEVER, to say something is Islamic, the subject matter MUST BE supported by the Qur'an. One such support throughout the Qur'an is the fact that being a Muslim infiltrates through one's external behavior, actions, speech, diet, opinions, and thoughts.

Silent said:
I encourage Muslims who will read this to participant to help us remove the DOUBTS ABOUT ISLAM and strive for their religion....and SPEAK UP...

Response:
The Qur'an invites all mankind to investigate and challenge it. By so doing, the evidence of the Qur'an alone is sufficient for those who truly study and investigate it to remove all doubts about Islam. By feeding the mind through reading the Qur'an, it is natural for a person to think and walk in terms of striving to embrace "Allah's" religion, and not their own. I believe in speaking up about and standing up for what Islam is, but I don't believe in doing so without my claims that I say represent Islam being supported by the Qur'an. Too many secular Muslims subscribe to perspective of sects regardless of what their Holy Book reads, and they accept translations because they are most accepted, but very few are courageous enough to review the Qur'an itself and look at how it was written with intent and purpose as well as aesthetics. When Muslims begin doing that, they will be able to better exemplify the beauty of Islam, and courage will not be necessary because the truth of Islam is what humanity actually hungers for.

Silent said:
Note:This forum has no moderator-monitoring. It also does not have any Islamic scholars, either.( ..has a plus and a minus aspect..but it doesn't matter...does it?)

Response: Why should it matter if we present facts and support our "Islamic" claims with the Qur'an and not just "interpretations" of the Qur'an?

Silent said:
We leave everything to scholars and leaders ...a pity..
Islam encourages every Muslim woman and man alike to 'update /increase' their knowledge about their DEEN...as it's for everyone...not for clergies and priests like other religions...

Response: I agree that it is a pity that we must rely on scholars and leaders rather that we see scholars and leaders encouraging us to review their perspectives from the Qur'an versus their opinions and hadith. Hadith is meaningless for Islamic doctrine if it is not supported by the Qur'an. In that light, the Qur'an encourages all mankind to be scholars and leaders who base their standards on the Qur'an, not just "interpretations" of the Qur'an.

Peace out.

Nono

Nono,

I wasn't referring to you in in my last comment. I'm pretty clear on your open mindedness, your response didn't shock me, it only confirmed what I already knew...that you agree with me

Silent,

a good conversation starts with one topic but leads to others. This conversation started under the Islam topic and the hijiab thread where I, a person who does not know much about the traditions of Islam, the Quran, the practices of the faith or why they are adhered to, asked a question and engaged in a debate regarding my perceptions AS THEY RELATE TO A NON ISLAMIC PERSON vs the perceptions and rules of Islam as understood by Muslim men and women.

If you do not wish to be challenged in a debate then may I suggest staying at home, shutting off the computer, and simply writing? When you write down your beliefs, there is no argument you have to participate in. You can publish your writing and never hear or see the debate over what you've written. As a writer, you can simply state what you feel is true and be done with it.

the unfortunate consequences of being that kind of writer are:
once you are done stating your beliefs, you run out of things to write about.

I am the other kind of writer. I seek out conversation and debate about things I do not understand or know. This, for me is called LEARNING and it is something I try to do everyday after I finished writing. It keeps my brain active.
I hope, in my effort to understand and debate I have been respectful and courteous. If I have not, I apologize.

I do not see where I have judged a sin in any statement. I have judged the practice of raising males who believe they cannot control their urges but I have not called that practice a sin. It is natural to judge the lifestyles and beliefs of others. This is called ethics, a form of social adaptation that appears in many species that exhibit higher intelligence. I have not made a MORAL judgment, which I firmly believe is the realm of God alone.
I stated, I consider the raising of males who believe they cannot control their urges to be unethical, NOT immoral.

you must understand words to use them correctly. I specialize in this as a writer of some small skill.

Dawn

Dawn..I apologize for not reaching upto Your Merit. There'll be many who will join your 'conversations' soon..you can LEARN form them..Good Luck!

I use my skills as much as I can to 'convey' some messages to ordinary people through my writings. Yes... there's nothing comparable to what we call Professional Writing...'Writing For Money' as you told us...it's just a 'Service-Freelance'...

However..I do not intend to impose my ideas on my readers...I write what I feel..many creative people are doing it...nothing special..we share and we learn from eachother...everyday...

I do 'do' many other tasks besides sitting in front of this blank screen, I'm writing on...

Take care!

NK..Thanks for critising..I apprecaite it..

I liked this very much..

"There is only one true religion, and that is the religion of Allah, but the Muslim does not join His religion, neither does anyone else. A Muslim as with all mankind is called to embrace the standards of the religion of Allah, especially the Jews and Christians through the Qur'an. Muslims are not called to have or join religion. They are only called to embrace Allah's religion. " NK

S.

Idea: Should we write an article on "ONE RELIGION" and publish it..based on QURAN ,Only! ?

RE: Post that began as follows.

Nono,

I wasn't referring to you in in my last comment. I'm pretty clear on your open mindedness, your response didn't shock me, it only confirmed what I already knew...that you agree with me...
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Hi Dawn:

Actually, that's the thing about you that intrigues me. I enjoy the learning process as well and the awesomeness, if you will, of getting outside my box and exploring a world of neverending realities and dimensions. Healthy debates are good, in my opinion, so long as people are not so stuck inside the box that they cannot see where the other person is "at least" POSSIBLY coming from and without meaningless, worthless ad hominem. That's why it's not difficult for me to agree with you so often. When we can get beyond that sheltered state I was referring to, reserving moral judgment for the babysitter in the parliament, it's amazing what we can find out. That's why, as you notice, I like to distinguish between what is (fact) and what I believe (opinion). For example, when a person claims something is Islamic when it is actually the opinion of a scholar, a mullah, sheikh, or imam.

I apppreciate your perspectives because they truly are valuable to someone who believes in the Qur'an, the part that encourages us to challenge it and to investigate to determine what is true for ourselves, whether I or anyone on Earth or Mars agrees with you or not.

Anyway, cheers!

Nono

RE: Post that began as follows.

NK..Thanks for critising..I apprecaite it..
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"Constructive" criticism. Regarding an article on "ONE RELIGION," I am working on a book with that specific title and the basis you reiterated in your post.

Sometimes I may come across as being kind of harsh, as is the case with Mike, whom I DO appreciate in many ways, but my intent is ALWAYS to be constructive.

Thanks, for your sentiments.

Nono

Hmmm.....NK it sounds like you want to swallow all the credit by yourself.....will cause indigestion....( a joke)

BTW I will need your help in some respects..... If you agree

It will help you write another book....:)

I have been firm and harsh too....but not the way you been....People can justify....

Anyways

Good Luck!

Nono,

for what it's worth, I no longer see you and Silent as different sides of the same coin. You are more like a telescope than a coin.

I'm glad to know you.

Dawn

Its been a while. I saw a lot of comments and its really nice to see a lot of conversation some of u make it really hard and for what and to prove what? i personally believe wearing a hijab and covering my beautiful curves makes me feel comfortable and confident i used to think showing a piece of skin was sexy but its not i still look attractive and beautiful and its not just my looks its my personality if i didn't have all those things i wouldn't be happily married, y do women feel that less clothing makes you more attractive it jus makes you look cheap no offense for u is your religion and for me is mine and if thats what makes you happy then don't let anyone force you to do something that you don't like or un comfortable with, one more thing all those haters who wanna know this and wanna know that read the Qua'ran go to a Imam thats someone who knows a lot and will have the time to answer ur questions.

Luv always shamiah

RE: Post that began as follows.
Its been a while. I saw a lot of comments...
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Well said, Shamiah, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. There is so much more to visualize when all you see are your beautiful eyes. I don't know why it is, but I find women who wear hijab much more appealing. Nonetheless, I realize that I must lower my gaze, even if my gaze is only in my thoughts.

Nono

Bismillah...

وَقُل لِّلۡمُؤۡمِنَـٰتِ يَغۡضُضۡنَ مِنۡ أَبۡصَـٰرِهِنَّ وَيَحۡفَظۡنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبۡدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنۡهَا‌ۖ وَلۡيَضۡرِبۡنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِہِنَّ‌ۖ وَلَا يُبۡدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوۡ ءَابَآٮِٕهِنَّ أَوۡ ءَابَآءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوۡ أَبۡنَآٮِٕهِنَّ أَوۡ أَبۡنَآءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوۡ إِخۡوَٲنِهِنَّ أَوۡ بَنِىٓ إِخۡوَٲنِهِنَّ أَوۡ بَنِىٓ أَخَوَٲتِهِنَّ أَوۡ نِسَآٮِٕهِنَّ أَوۡ مَا مَلَكَتۡ أَيۡمَـٰنُهُنَّ أَوِ ٱلتَّـٰبِعِينَ غَيۡرِ أُوْلِى ٱلۡإِرۡبَةِ مِنَ ٱلرِّجَالِ أَوِ ٱلطِّفۡلِ ٱلَّذِينَ لَمۡ يَظۡهَرُواْ عَلَىٰ عَوۡرَٲتِ ٱلنِّسَآءِ‌ۖ وَلَا يَضۡرِبۡنَ بِأَرۡجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعۡلَمَ مَا يُخۡفِينَ مِن زِينَتِهِنَّ‌ۚ وَتُوبُوٓاْ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ جَمِيعًا أَيُّهَ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمۡ تُفۡلِحُونَ

The above is the verse 31 of Surah Al Noor which has been discussed under this topic earlier as a reference on Quran's standings on VEIL.

While revising some posts I came accross by this paragraph which I think I over-looked before, in NKngston's Post and I felt I should interpret it again to correct its impression.

"As for the Qur'an, both men and women are called to lower their gaze and to protect their private parts, particularly what literally means slit and has been translated to mean vagina, but the Qur'an clearly tells women to cover what is normally not for the public to view namely their vaginas and breasts, such as (I'm assuming) in your society where the breasts must be covered, particularly the areolas. Granted, if you read the Qur'an carefully, in Arabic and not just the translations, you will find that in a society where it is legal and socially acceptable for women to walk around topless, I don't think we could find a passage in the Qur'an to counter that, only cultural interpretation of social mores from outside that culture, and not from the Qur'an because in such cases the Qur'an clearly states that their beauty [√zyn, zīnata-hunna] shall not be apparent except what is apparent to the Muslimah."
(NK posted 03/13/10)
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Translation of 24:31

وَقُل لِّلۡمُؤۡمِنَـٰتِ And tell the believing women

يَغۡضُضۡنَ مِنۡ أَبۡصَـٰرِهِنَّ to lower their gaze

وَيَحۡفَظۡنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ and GUARD THEIR PRIVATE PARTS (means do not commit immorality, immodesty of any kind, fornication, adultery, homosexuality etc.)

وَلَا يُبۡدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنۡهَا‌ۖ do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof

بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِہِنَّ‌ۖ and to draw their veils over their bosoms

وَلَا يُبۡدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands


أَوۡ ءَابَآٮِٕهِنَّ أَوۡ ءَابَآءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوۡ أَبۡنَآٮِٕهِنَّ أَوۡ أَبۡنَآءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوۡ إِخۡوَٲنِهِنَّ أَوۡ بَنِىٓ إِخۡوَٲنِهِنَّ أَوۡ بَنِىٓ أَخَوَٲتِهِنَّ أَوۡ نِسَآٮِٕهِنَّ أَوۡ مَا مَلَكَتۡ أَيۡمَـٰنُهُنَّ أَوِ ٱلتَّـٰبِعِينَ غَيۡرِ أُوْلِى ٱلۡإِرۡبَةِ مِنَ ٱلرِّجَالِ أَوِ ٱلطِّفۡلِ ٱلَّذِينَ لَمۡ يَظۡهَرُواْ عَلَىٰ عَوۡرَٲتِ ٱلنِّسَآءِ‌ۖ

or to their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or women who are their companions, or those that their right hands possess, or such of male attendants as have no desire for women, or young children who have not yet attained knowledge of the hidden parts of women

وَلَا يَضۡرِبۡنَ بِأَرۡجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعۡلَمَ مَا يُخۡفِينَ مِن زِينَتِهِنَّ‌ۚ

They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies (or hidden ornaments)

وَتُوبُوٓاْ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ جَمِيعًا أَيُّهَ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمۡ تُفۡلِحُونَ

and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful.

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My special interest there was to interpret this segment PROPERLY.

وَيَحۡفَظۡنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ and GUARD THEIR PRIVATE PARTS (means do not commit immorality, immodesty of any kind, fornication, adultery, homosexuality etc.)

I appreciate your concern/criticism. Wassalaam.

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Need to add it.

Quran does NOT assume that HUMANS will be roaming around NAKED in any society. It's for ANIMALS of past and 'present' only. So noone should assume that any 'mindful' human society would normally allow the 'nudity', that's why the concept of veiling in Islam , FOR WOMEN, includes an 'outer covering' , (shawl like) in addition to her normal clothes ,to cover her curves, or the loose-fitting clothes generally to conceal her body contour, according to the culture she lives in , more like 'do at Rome as Roman's do' to look normal and camoufladged, rather than becoming conspicuous or suspiscious with any assertive dress codes, suggested or imposed by the MEN leaders and scholars of today.
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One more reference for VEILING in Quran:

33:59O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[24:60] Such elderly women as are past the prospect of marriage,- there is no blame on them if they lay aside their (outer) garments, provided they make not a wanton display of their beauty: but it is best for them to be modest: and God is One Who sees and knows all things.

I have posted it to support the Quranic view that the main objective of the garments is MODESTY and relaxing the codes of dresses (any cultural way) depends upon different conditions only, such as age and the ornamentation/decorations that may attract the attention of the opposite sex. If a women remain simple obviously she can relax the codes also. It should not be taken for granted that covering the head or face , as it's a popular practice in many Islamic countries is a SIN.

How and Why?

Covering the head was a common practice amongst males and females of many traditions. If the hair are beautiful then hair are supposed to be covered according to the rule also. If a woman is wearing prominant make-up , then face must not be displayed in public.

I appreciate the rational criticism from all participants, including Nono.

Response to: [24:60] Such elderly women as are past the prospect of marriage,- there is no blame on them if they lay aside their (outer) garments...
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If you have any proof that the Qur'an says otherwise, provide the proof. Until I find something to support your case, I cannot accept any other perspective than what is presented. You have not presented a reasonable case. Culture does not make a case Islamic. What you have been brought up being taught is sin is not necessarily sin. In Islam, what makes something Islamic law or doctrine is what is found in the Qur'an. Anything that the Qur'an does not mention is not Islamic. You present the example of 24:60.

Is Nudity Acceptable After Child Bearing Age?

24:60 (1a) The age past child bearing among the women (1b) who do not desire marriage, (2a) then there is no blame upon them (2b) that they put their clothes aside without making (extraneous) enhancements conspicuous (2c) and that it is better for them to restrain. (3) Allāh is Infinite Listener, Omniscient. (*)

والقوعد من النساء التي لا يرجون نكاحا فليس عليهن جناح أن يضعن ثيابهن غير متبرجت بزينة وأن يستعففن خير لهن والله سميع عليم

60. (1a) Wa l-qawā’idu [√q’d] mina n-nisā’i (1b) llātī lā yarjūna nikāḥāan (2a) fa laysa ‘alay-hinna junāḥun (2b) an yađa’na (√wđ’) ŧiyāba-hunna ğayra mutabarrijātin (make conspicuous) bi-zīnatin (embellishments) (2c) wa ‘an yasta’fifna [√’ff yastaf’ilna] xayrun la-hunna wa llāhu samī’un ‘alīmun

V. 60 Without trying to read into what the Qur‘ān reads, I gather that once you have passed child bearing age, with no intent of getting married again, in Islam it is okay for women to run around naked so long as they do not show off their prized bodily possessions.

As for the interpretation of this verse, يضعن means to give birth; it comes from √wđ’ which also translates to “he put it or laid it in/on a place, put it or threw it down from his hand, put down a thing, brought forth (which is how we get the meaning of giving birth), to appoint, to impose/remit, give over, relinquish, lowered his grade/rank/condition, suffer loss, did not gain in it, lowered/humbled, depository, the proper place of a thing,” etc. From these options, “to put aside” is the most logical meaning to give this word. For example, ﻭَﻀَﻊَ wađa’a: He put it, or laid it, in, or on, a place; he put it, or threw it, down from his hand. With the prefix ya-, we are dealing with a weak root causing yawađa’a to become يضعن yađa’na which seems to be √đ’n or √yđ’.

As for متبرجت mutabarrijātin, this word comes from √brj barraja which has to do with conspicuousness, obviousness, apparent, embellishment, etc. Tarraja means “It (anything) was, or became, apparent, manifest, or conspicuous, and high, or elevated.” The prefix mu- is the participle that makes this a person or something extraneous, so, in answer to the question “Is nudity acceptable after child bearing age?” I would have to answer in the affirmative with the conditions provided above. In all things, however, a Muslim should be glorifying Allāh. Nudity as an expression of Allāh’s glorious creation of mankind, in my humble opinion, is definitely not a sin unless we are transgressing the limits provided by Allāh, such as raising your gaze in lust or with the intent of prostituting your salvation in exchange for disobedience to Allāh.

Unless you can prove that this verse says otherwise, I cannot really see the value of your cross-examination. The burden of proof is now on you to prove that I am twisting or turning this passage or at least that I am taking it out of context.

Nono

So when Quran does NOT explain men's clothing, it seems just okay for Muslim men of all ages to remain nude ?

Silent asked: So when Quran does NOT explain men's clothing, it seems just okay for Muslim men of all ages to remain nude?

Response: So long as it is not against the law, I see no wrong in it. In fact, I don't see anything wrong with nudity so long as you have nothing to hide.

WOW....Never heard such interpretations, beliefs and understanding from a MUSLIM , all my life!

So clothes have nothing to DO with the 'respect' of a HUMAN.
It's just fine to look at the naked body of one's mother after she passed her child-bearing age. It's just fine for a daughter to look at her father's....

It's just repectfull to perform Salaah and Hajj without clothes like pagans of past...

So you're talking about an 'absolute perfection' wher 'human nature' is somehow neutralized and all attractions all nullified. Where Humans are living in there sub-concious like Adam and Eve lived and only came to realize their nudity when sinned.

So clothes has nothing to do with the MODESTY.

So if Allah says a married man and woman are garments of eachother, Allah MEANS NOTHING BY THE GARMENT. The best GARMENT IS MODESTY...is absurd...

So how do you and may be other AMERICANS..understand these Ayaat then?

[24:58] O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants and the children who have not attained puberty (before entering your rooms). This is to be done in three instances - before the Dawn Prayer, at noon when you change your clothes to rest, and after the Night Prayer. These are three private times for you. At other times, it is not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. GOD thus clarifies the revelations for you. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

and,

[18:31] They have deserved gardens of Eden wherein rivers flow. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold, and will wear clothes of green silk and velvet, and will rest on comfortable furnishings. What a wonderful reward; what a wonderful abode!

[76:21] On them will be clothes of green velvet, satin, and silver ornaments. Their Lord will provide them with pure drinks.

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Are you NOT offending Allah who has created almost every animal with some kind of CLOTHING?

Why didn't Allah's Messengers and their wives chose to live
without clothes?

and

(Why didn't Allah's messengers practised homosexuality?)

To Silent:

Regarding clothing, I support the Qur'an to the extent that Allah discusses it. If the Qur'an says to wear clothes, then wear clothes. If the Qur'an does not say anything about clothes, then give individuals choices within the parameters of the law of the land. As for why Allah's Messengers were not homosexual, maybe they were straight. How would I know? I never had the chance to ask them. Outside the Qur'an, I leave it up to individual descretion within the laws of the land the individual lives in to live their lives in peace, with love, and filled with freedom.

Nono

To Silent:

Here are some possible translations of the verses you used based on my understanding of the Qur'an in Arabic. Granted, they may not be the best translations, but when you take the Arabic and bring it over to English you might wind up with the following translations. Tell me what you think.

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24:58 (1) O, which of he who believed! (2a) Those whom your right hands control and (2b) those who have not reached the age of puberty among you, (2c) at three periods: (2) should listen to you:
--(3) before obligatory prayers of the dawn (sunrise, daybreak),
--(4 ) when you lay out your fine clothes worn for a special occasion from the midday, and
--(5) and after obligatory prayers of the evening.
(6) Three turns are for you. (7) There is no blame on you and not on them after them. (8) Some of you wander about yourselves in part (8a) as though Allāh clarifies the Signs for you. (9) Allāh is Omniscient and Infinite wisdom. (*)

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لِيَسۡتَـٔۡذِنكُمُ ٱلَّذِينَ مَلَكَتۡ أَيۡمَـٰنُكُمۡ وَٱلَّذِينَ لَمۡ يَبۡلُغُواْ ٱلۡحُلُمَ مِنكُمۡ ثَلَـٰثَ مَرَّٲتٍ۬‌ۚ مِّن قَبۡلِ صَلَوٰةِ ٱلۡفَجۡرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُم مِّنَ ٱلظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِنۢ بَعۡدِ صَلَوٰةِ ٱلۡعِشَآءِ‌ۚ ثَلَـٰثُ عَوۡرَٲتٍ۬ لَّكُمۡ‌ۚ لَيۡسَ عَلَيۡكُمۡ وَلَا عَلَيۡهِمۡ جُنَاحُۢ بَعۡدَهُنَّ‌ۚ طَوَّٲفُونَ عَلَيۡكُم بَعۡضُڪُمۡ عَلَىٰ بَعۡضٍ۬‌ۚ كَذَٲلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمُ ٱلۡأَيَـٰتِ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ۬ (٥٨)

58. (1) Yā ayyu-hā llaṭīna āmanū (2) li-yasta’ṭin-kumu [√aṭn yafta’ili, 3rd, m., sing., impf. act., jussive mood, Stem X] (2a) allaṭīna malakat aymānu-kum (2b) wa llaṭīna lam yabluğū l-ḥuluma min-kum (2c) ŧalāŧa marrātin (3) min qabli ṣalāti l-fajri (4) wa ḥīna tađa’ūna ŧiyāba-kum mina ž-žahīrati (5) wa min ba’di ṣalāti l-‘işā’i (6) ŧalāŧu ‘awrātin la-kum (7) laysa ‘alay-kum wa lā ‘alay-him junāḥun ba’da-hunna (8) ţawwāfūna ‘alay-kum ba’đu-kum (8a) ‘alā ba’đin kaṭālika yubayyinu (A)llāhu la-kumu l-‘āyāti (9) wa (A)llāhu ‘alīmun ḥakīmun

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18:31 (1) Those, they will have gardens of Eden with the rivers flowing beneath them. (2) They acquire high levels of opinion therein (They will be adorned with gold bracelets)[Note 1], (3) and they wear (3a) repentant qualities (good characters, garments)[Note 2] (3b) of health and vigor [greenery, verdure] (3c) as fine silk. (4c) The repentant character (good character, garment) [Note 2](4a) should shine, (4b) reclining therein on (4d) the excellent furnishings (4e) and good pillows. (*)

أُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ لَهُمۡ جَنَّـٰتُ عَدۡنٍ۬ تَجۡرِى مِن تَحۡتِہِمُ ٱلۡأَنۡہَـٰرُ يُحَلَّوۡنَ فِيہَا مِنۡ أَسَاوِرَ مِن ذَهَبٍ۬ وَيَلۡبَسُونَ ثِيَابًا خُضۡرً۬ا مِّن سُندُسٍ۬ وَإِسۡتَبۡرَقٍ۬ مُّتَّكِـِٔينَ فِيہَا عَلَى ٱلۡأَرَآٮِٕكِ‌ۚ نِعۡمَ ٱلثَّوَابُ وَحَسُنَتۡ مُرۡتَفَقً۬ا (٣١)

31. (1) ulā’ika la-hum jannātu ‘adnin tajrī min taḥti-himu l-‘anhāru (2) yuḥallawna [√ḥly] fī-hā min asāwira [√swr] min ṭahabin [√ṭhb] wa (3) yalbasūna [√lbs] (3a) ŧiyāban [√ṭhb, ŧiyab n.m. (pl. of ŧawb)] (3b) xuđran min sundusin (4a) wa ‘istabraqin [√brq istaf’alin, ] (4b) muttaki’īna fī-hā ‘alā l-‘arā’iki ni’ma (4c) ŧ-ŧawābu (4e) wa ḥasunat murtafaqān[Note 3]

Note 1: Both translations work.
Note 2: All translations I have seen so far are possible.
Note 3: Like many verses in the Qur'an as is the case here, there are many possible meanings in this translation, leading to many possibly correct interpretations. There are times where groups of words can form literalized or metaphorical sentences. This verse, however you wish to take it, refers to the characteristics of those who are admitted into gardens of Eden and not what they will literally wear.

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76:21 (1b) Repentant qualities [good characters, garments] (1c) of health and vigor (greenery, verdure) (1a) is upon them (1d) as silk. (2) They should shine. (3b) Their Designer (Lord, Developer, Master, Architect, Teacher) (3a) adorned scattered opinions (broken or silver bracelets) and watered them (3c) with pure drinks. (*)

عَـٰلِيَہُمۡ ثِيَابُ سُندُسٍ خُضۡرٌ۬ وَإِسۡتَبۡرَقٌ۬‌ۖ وَحُلُّوٓاْ أَسَاوِرَ مِن فِضَّةٍ۬ وَسَقَٮٰهُمۡ رَبُّہُمۡ شَرَابً۬ا طَهُورًا (٢١)

21. (1a) ‘āliya-hum (1b) ŧiyābu (1c) sundusin (1d) xuđrun (2) wa-istabraqun (3a) wa ḥullū asāwira min fiđđatin [√fđđ] wa saqā-hum [√sqy] (3b) rabbu-hum (3c) şarāban ţahūrān

These are not necessarily how I would interpret these verses, but to give you an idea of the multiple meanings that single verses can have, I have provided these verses intentionally to show you that the Qur'an is written with intention and purpose and language barrier is not really an issue, but seeing what many messages exist there in a single verse can really matter in understanding Islam.

AND THERE'S NO PROOF OF REMAINING CLOTHELESS IN THE QURAN,EITHER. THE REST IS YOUR ASSUMPTION AND PERSONAL INTEREST. LET A THIRD-PERSON BE A WITNESS TO ALL THE DISCOURSE WE HAD. PEACE! S. BYE NOW!

If they're hot the only thing I want them to wear is a thong.