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resonable
This post is in no way to insult you or your beliefs

But please try and understand what we as humans presume and think from our state of mind is what the society has been going through from unlimited years. Same feelings for the lack of Gurus.

Not from very far past we know of MIRABAI ji...she was a devotee of Krishna bhagwan but ultimately even after meeting him she was shown the way to Guru RaviDas.

God has created a medium and it cannot be from books or scriptures, I have seen you deliberately trying to put your beliefs and thoughts into some of really not to understanding satsangis. Please refrain from it as if I say every Education as different levels....they will also reach the understanding one day.

To clear your mind up please let me allow to ASK YOU TO READ AND UNDERSTAND what RSSB is, from the book of:

ROOHANI DIARY part 1 & 2

I am not asking you to find GOD in it.....but this book will surely clear your mind of doubts If u effort up to not contradict it with human mind

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0027
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Can anyone mention about achievements of any RSSB SATSANGI for having spread lot of love among mankind in general and in one's family, kids and parents as also carrier orientation in particualr, after having spent decade or more on SANTMAT path by following the teachings of BABAJI in full without any misgivinngs of any kind picked up from else where?

This Forum is open for discussion without any reservations. One should not pass judgements like this by name to avoid hurting feelings of any one. As otherwise also no one can force beliefs of any type on any other persons. Similarly one can not recomend any GURU for some one. Everyone knows and can ask for guidance for SANTMAT or any other path or books of RSSB in particular.

Regarding experience and views about RSSB there is a well known website, "CHURCH OF THE CHURCHLESS" full of critics, indicating experience of many SATSANGI who left RSSB without gaining anything even after spending more than decades of beliefs in RSSB with lot of regrets.

So none has right to attribute any thing by name while disagreeing with some views about one's beliefs or experiences please.

But one thing remains established without any doubt that even in this forum more than 50% questions relate to distress , sufferings or pains among RSSB devotees which are addressed to BABAJI as if BABAJI could redress their communication through this forum or by some other telepathy.

O.K. let one attempt answer following two questions:-

1. Does the onus to display love and tolerance lie more on SATSANGIS than any one else or say on so called atheists(NAASTIKS)?

2. Why do SATASANGIS convey more about their pains or sufferings rather than asking for more strength to bear this all to clear their KARMA debts with a smile as also make efforts to add to their KARMA credits by spreading nothing but love and purity around them?
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resonable
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My motive is to just ask you to read the book and see if you find answers there itself or not....

Anyone has a doubt? please read the Diary and asking questions here is like talking about Rocket Science to farmers!!
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Thanks for displaying expected negative courtesy without having attempted to answer any question of others but sticking to one’s ego and nothing else!

Otherwise questions raised by some 0027 are quite relevant for all satsangis, including me, who are definitely required to display nothing but love and love only for all mankind not even limited to family but society as whole.
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rajatkwatra
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Mr. Resonable, thanks for reading my post.

1. You must understand first that what ever i am writing, I am consistent for the same in all of my replies or queries and I am using my original name and not a fake name name like you are using.

2. I again stick to my views that what ever Baba g has told to all of satsang not more than 0.1% followers follow that in real sense and all uses that preaching in thier own comfortable way.

3. I do not like to read the books because instead of reading books, I am watching the behaviour of number of those followers who have taken naam and rigorously going for seva, giving time for meditation, which is giving me the sense that even after 20-30 years they themselves are unable to understand that if you are not performing your duties towards family then its worthless to follow any guru.

4. Even bhagwan ram himself shown that real treasure of life is in the service of your parents and sita maiya has shown that while doing seva of husband any pain has no pain, but if we are leaving family responsibilities left behind and devote all time for meditation to achive god, i do not think it is correct.

5. Secondly, always stating that no one is your so do not care for them and only guru is yours, as he will get you met with god is also totally incorrect understanding, because if that will be the case then why parents will take care of their children from birth till he stands up on his feet, as they must not concern himbut after attaining majority he devotes time for meditation but not for parents service because he thinks that he will get relief from all pain in life by that and not by parents service.

6. Third, devotees himself treat baba g as GOD, so there misbelief must be removed from their mind.

7. Fourth, to say this that only he can get it connected to GOD is also incorrect as GOD himself can not do partiality that if all universe has been created by him so he must have created number of saints who can get you connected to GOD.

8. So after marriage RSSB followers must not try to compel others to follow RSSB but also join them in their religious beliefs as the main of every human soul is to get the good teaching from which ever source it is.

9. Fifth point is that all followers who suffer from any problem, they run for taking naam dan that after that their pain will be reduced, they must understand that if that will be the thing then every human being on this earth will take it and there will not be any use of existing policy of getting the fal as per their karma.

10.In this discussion forum, you can view that number of followers are suffering and either want to stay in dera or requesting baba g to remove their pain, has any one asked that Baba g thank u for giving pain as it gives me opportunity to remember you and give me courage to face this. It is not showing that we are becoming coward.

11. My sixth point is that when we have been asked to give 10% of earning as donation. I raised a query that can we give that for bhandara for poor people and no one answered in positive. Did it is right to use that contribution for buying land on main road for satsang bahvan which is used for only 5-6 hours in a whole week for satsang and for no other charitable activity.

12. My seventh point is that human mind has very short remembering power, so the satsang must be listen by him daily and for this it should be recorded and provided in CDs etc. to sangat. It will also be helpful for poor people who can not spend money on travel and also very old sangat, physically handicap, children and ladies having very young child. Now tell me what is wrong in this request?

12. RSSB has came in to existence in 1800, so before its existence, your great grand father, great great grandfather may not have RSSB and any prayer they have done for Lord Ram or Krishan was useles and only after starting of RSSB, people can got salvation. Do you saying this.

13. All you say that which we can not see we can not belive and so can not pray, IS any one of you have seen air,if not then why you are believing that air is in existence and it is required for living.

14. It is also stated that how do we know that earlier there was existence of lord ram or krishan. For your great great grand parents, whom we have not seen but for whom our parents or grand parents has stated that this is there photographs and there name and there home and we accept without any doubt then why we question for the existence of father of this universe.

15. Another question is that without seen how we will remember, for this just imagine that when grand child has taken birth in USA and his parents are in India and his parents send a letter describing the features of child to his grand parents that how does it look. Then even without photograph they make imagination in thier mind that how there grand child will look like. When there is love, there is no need to get the real picture, mind automatically draws the picture in mind.

16. Another point is that when ever a child take birth then his mother told him that he is your father, then did any one question to mother that give me a proof , then every one rely and now if the holy books state that we all are the children of param pita parmatma then you all ask that we need an evidence.

Last, I am not a follower or non follower but a human being whom my god has sent on this earth. I am serching for the goal given by him.

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One should now immediately visit a recent post dated 16/01/2013, by some anisravat885953028 , who is a SATSANGI and offer comments as to how and why one is behaving like that and that too by addressing the post to BABAJI?

Can anyone come forward to his rescue and change his mind of somuch hatred within him and for him?

Can anyone change such misgivings through one's required good services? How long can this go on?

It is really too much!
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resonable
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MR. Rajat thanks for reading my post and declining to read the book, which clearly reminds me to quote "Kuen ka mendhak hona" (a story about a frog who thinks the well he resides is enough and the biggest of all, he does not want to move ahead)

As according to me, discussing these things here are really Irrelevant because neither I or can anyone else clear your doubts and problems with the teachings unless you Yourself try to help and read some books(including which I suggested), the lack of knowledge for the CORE RSSB teaching or I can say partial knowledge is really harming your ability to judge RSSB.

Well let me attempt to just say few words!! which I know might hold no meaning and still you will criticize or have doubts on
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According to your Points :

1. Your consistency regarding RSSB and Baba ji is the reason which has bought me to making this Post.... My name really dosnt matters, what cud I be really scared of? Think again (I know u'll come with a contradiction LOL)
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2. Well I 100% agree with you, see if the followers were to understand and follow these things with first teaching then why there would be the need of giving satsang on a regular basis?.....jab tak Rope(satsang) ek stone(follower) pe na ghisi jaetab tak wo smooth nai hota, tab tak asar nahi padega. Regarding the using the teaching in their own comfortable way... I would say their KARMA's are with them, they'll be answerable one day to what they have done, If you believe in this why bother?
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3. Books are a medium through which the REAL CORE ideologies are within your reach 24X7.... Please dont make a perception towards Baba Ji or RSSB when you watch the followers...they are full of FLAWS and Make mistake continuously because its human tendencies to make mistakes , I myself am flawed at various things which I know of and try to remove them from my personality and satsang helps me alot, but does that mean RSSB is wrong or right?? or Babaji's teaching are wrong or right? Please think over it
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4. I will contradict you on this..... Baba JI has said that parents and your responsibility are the most important part of your life..he himself strictly guides the followers to do seva of Maat Pita.

Sorry I disagree with what you say regarding meditation...just by the statement I can make out that If a follower is devoting so much time in meditation then HE SURELY KNOWS THE WORTH OF responsibilities and duties towards family. I cannot tell you what the meditation is for..because u'll not understand without reading books.....followers know meditating isnt gonna work if they run from their duties.
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5. How can you possibly contradict the saying about gurus and his ability? really that is a ORTHODOX statement with every person with no/partial knowledge is bound with....Alas!!! Roohani diary will help you in this, If you choose to seek the supreme being
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6. Again it is their belief...who are you to contradict?? or make a statement regarding their faith? IF you dont have any experience of RSSB or you lack the trust in Baba ji's teaching then Please dont tell me you are doing a service to society and what not!! Devotees are not just handful of people....there are people from the ranks of top most positions around the world with Higher IQ level than that of me or you, they know what they are doing....they have their experiences which really you wont understand.
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7. For this point of partiality I cant get into details for a reason which people wont want to listen (trust me), but yet again its the belief of those followers not a statement by RSSB or Baba ji, he himself says in satsang that "Wo karuga" (means God will do)... you choose to listen to followers who are full of griefs and then you make a perception!! then really I am sorry for your effort.

Yes I agree with you 100% that he (GOD) must have created many saints....they have come in human form and gone in the past because that is what human form/body is!! it has to deplete after its life. There will be saints around the world who can try to take you to god....but its up for oneself to decided whom to trust on and whom to follow.....If you know there can be saints sent by god himself then why can he not be the Baba ji himself?? just because of his lifestyle and RSSB followers, please dont comment on things. ******Please read the book, You'll get the answers******

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8. I agree with you...but being a satsangi I will tell you that when a Satsangi marries a NON satsangi person...he definitely tells very clearly about himself and his beliefs.
It is wrong to compel someone to follow RSSB, no 1 can have faith and trust until their experience's tell them the right path
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9.Sorry please if you dont know the worth of NAAM then please dont comment on its existence and really do you think NAAM DAAN is like a fruit or a commodity which Baba ji offers to all and distributes blindly? really?? Sorry again but you dont know what he is and how the procedure for NAAM is conducted.

RSSB/Babaji asks One to not commit any karmas for that matter to the extent where they can control...see there lies the MAJOR lack of knowledge abt the teachings of RSSB in you!!
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10. The followers here who write their problems are really Sober and down to earth in life...in hindi i'll say BHOLE BHALE LOG.... you know how villagers and middle class people are?
they are eager to talk to Baba JI and communicate with him.... they dont follow what Baba ji says that GOD resides in them!! and knows better how to deal with their problems
*** you will not trust this statement because of faith and contradict it*** I can understand that feeling
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11. Yes you can give to bhandara's (outside RSSB)...but do you think it will be rightly used in this corrupt world which is full of doing karmas.. good or bad? even the beggars today have to report to their superiors who take their ALMS...

The buying of land for satsang holds a very responsible decision towards RSSB as a society and its not Baba ji's personal property, he does nt even borrow a PENNY for himself from others so as not to increase Karmas for his humanly form, according to his teachings himself.

With what I can say that lands, which RSSB owns have the meaning to provide secure,safe and permanent place where satsangis have a confidence and knowledge to look for satsang . The land and the area under property serves the purpose of followers who want to hear satsang because the followers have put 10% in Seva but not the other charitable trust/activites.....neither RSSB needs them or their money!!

Have you ever seen the langar which is open to sangat during satsang days? it feeds Lakhs of people all around the major centers....and that requires funds!! which is taken from Seva of 10%


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YOU MADE A MISTAKE IN NUMBERING PLEASE CHECK......... I Have separated the question in A and B part
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12 (A). I agree,but satsang are held every thursday and Sundays at various centers all across the world, merely listning to satsang daily wont help .... meditating is essential part.

From what I can say about DVD/CD thing...Baba Ji/RSSB made a Very right decision towards NOT recording or Releasing his photographs (other than one) because for DVD/CD, the non followers or the opportunists will seek to make profit out of the Faith and love for babjis satsang, which will be PIRATED and Sold outside of satsang ghar at Rates/prices of their choice and make profit/business out of it....Please go check the rates for photos/DVDs at satsang centers (they charge the operating cost which occurs and make no profit out of it), see the example of market alongside the Beas railway station..u'll find the answers to what I said abt business.... and if you tell me that earlier Guru ji had a DVD and photos then yet again by my understand i'll tell you that people back then were very very much down to earth and sober, they were expected to not make these Photographs and other belonging to Guru ji's as a THING/OBJECTS to pray to or worship them as the weak or new followers have the tendencies of doing such things.....Present guru ji knew this form of practice increasing when our previous Guru'ji were Alive, so her must have eradicated the need of DVD/CD or recorded satsang.

A person who can afford to buy a CD/DVD player or desktop is able enough to make a move towards God or his trust ONCE in a week i.e sunday towards Satsang
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12 (B). Before RSSB came into existence, there were saints who are now world renowned and remembered for their personalities..dont you agree?.. This is the nature of Human beings that they don't recognize the Saint or God in human form while they are here on earth them self but have 10000 of doubts over them and when the saints leave human form...and remain of no use then they are remembered.

If you just pray (NOT deities) to the SUPREME BEING the param-atma from the heart without a doubt and clean mind to ask for forgiveness and guide to real path to him ....he will definitely listen to you.

We at RSSB do not pray to lord Ram or Krishan or for that matter any Deities/Avatars, but we seek salvation from the supreme being himself i.e the PARAM-ATMA(the supreme being).... I cannot comment here about these deities & avatars because I dont want to hurt any ones beliefs and faith, my answers will definitely be harsh on the Deities/avatar followers. But my friend, Please read the book, You'll get the answers. Its will be upto you, if you want to believe on them or not.
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13. Seriously? please this line is for the people who dont get to say anything more than this about air and stuff.. and are atheist

you trying to compare GOD with air? or the experience or feeling that people go through when they ask from him for forgiveness and salvation? Have you seen LOVE? its a term!! it exists!!! you feel it for someone!! it need not be seen with HUMAN EYES.....these mere eyes cannot afford to look at SUN for few minutes then how can they see GOD who made this universe!!
If God was this easy to attain, my friend then sadhus and saints wont have meditated for years and years and tried to control their MIND/Inner Self. ******Please read the book, You'll get the answers******
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14. It is never doubted in RSSB about the existence of Lord Ram and Krishan....they were here according to Scriptures....YES!!
But they were again not a source to meet Supreme being himself....avatars were here for a specific reason according to their time.
Sorry but Lord RAM or Krishan were not responsible for making this universe...******Please read the book, You'll get the answers******
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15. Thats the reason for eradicating IDEALISM in RSSB through the medium of photos or any other object that people tend to make idols into.
******Please read the book, You'll get the answers******
You'll also know how babaji asks the followers to seek God and how to recognize him.
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16. Sorry but talking about RSSB.....we dont need the evidence, infact that is what RSSB guru's have been teaching over century...One is apart of param-atma himself but has been parted away due to some reason and major reason being the KAAL. The path way back home to supreme being is through Naam Only!!
I wont go further into it....it wud seem useless until you read the book
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I hope I was able to answer to the full understanding according to what I know....may Supreme being help you over the right path

Regarding me!! I am just 23 years old student unlike a old term follower of RSSB, so I try to look into everything around the world I find the teaching very true because I trust in GOD and Babaji and that why Since I was a child I have had experiences and meanings to my belief.... I am not a blind faith follower of RSSB

******Please read the book, You'll get the answers******

Thanks!!
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0027
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A 23 year old Mr. Resonable is in a position to issue judgments and certificates of ---------to elders. This does confirm nothing but -----------.

Well all said and done, it is pointed out that the main philosophy of RSSB is to believe in none but only in one live GURU, who is taken as human in GOD Form (HIGF).Else what was the purpose of nominating GURUS after SIKH RELEGION having accepted GURU GRANTH SAHIB as their GURU after GURU GOBIND SINGH JI.

So unless Mr. Resonable talks about reading any book authored by the present GURU/BABAJI, or any DVD/CDS conveying teachings of the present GURU/BABAJI, question of reading books of other GURUS does not and should not be stressed, more so because of the main philosophy of RSSB is to rely upon the present GURU/BABAJI, who admittedly is not permitting to record his teachings or SATSANG for reasons best known to BABAJI alone and not known to anyone else, including Mr. Resonable.

So whatever has been said in the above box does not merit consideration, because these are only one's individual views and cannot be accepted as the RSSB's teachings, which could be interpreted differently by each individual.

As otherwise, the present RSSB GURU is the only one among all other RSSB GURUS, who has reservations for not allowing recording of his SATSANG/teachings in any form for reasons best known to him only, even if it was causing lot of misgivings for all devotees due to spreading the RSSB message/teachings by interpretting RSSB teachings in any manner in their own way.

All other masters, of various relegions worldwide, do not have any such reservation, more so because their views/teachings are not subjected to further interpretation in any manner and they are also open to criticism, if any.
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resonable
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Here lies the basic mind sabotage that this materialistic world has put you to....and you think I am passing the judgement and certificates... I hope you get to know If I have said anything wrong or not..

There is the main reason RSSB or its followers dont get public with these issues because hazaro saalo se jo soch aur rudivaad ke saath log jeete chale a rhe hain...usko 1 reply ya 100 reasoning se khatam nahi kra ja skta aur na hi kisi ko koshish krni chaiye....

I knew the conclusion will lead to these sorts of replies but on the other hand I thought If things I said...can provide help to someone...then why not?


according to your paragraph:

IT seems, that you are from sikh religion itself ( I Might be wrong) ..cuz they pass on these lines which in way is the attempt to bend others and other sikh people back towards SIKHISM...RSSB has been criticized by Sikh panths because at RSSB the meaning of what is there in Guru Granth Sahib ji is explained and due to which many sikh people are obviously divereted towards TRUTH but nothing else.
Guru Granth Sahib ji mein NAAM ki hi mahima kari gayi hai...


Your Anti Guru thought will lead you nowhere Sir.....And I am not Passing a judgement but you'll know one day.. I hope

The book I am meantioning about is not a author written for an specific purpose...the content of the book are merely the DAILY DIARY writing by a Sevadar of Huzur Maharaj Sawan singh ji....read it as a book or a diary, it'll be enough.

These are not my views in personal and I am not saying things according to my whims and fancies...Pls go seek RSSB teachings....a person who does not try even to accept a change cannot be open minded

First basic POINT towards RSSB is that, its NOT a religion but its a philosophical society and everything said is a practiced philosophy....

yet again you speak the worldwide manner of criticism and do not think in positive towards the motives of any restriction by RSSB....

Practice what you preach is is what RSSB has been following throughout....

And yes if a 23 year can say things like these then its not blind faith or he is subjudice.....well let me tell you that If you are older than me then trust me I have more questions and doubts about the world and other things, than what you can think of even!!!

Dont make a perception towards anyone's belief... I dont
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Yes! It is enough! Let these views be evalued by other readers now, because:-

Taaruf rog ho jae to usko bhoolna behtar , Taaluk bojh ban jai to usko todna achha !

Voh afsaana jise anjaam tak lana na ho mumkin use ek khoob soorat mod de kar todna achha !!

Chalo ek baar phir se ajnabi ban jaen hum dono!

Even if one is not a Sikh or is a MUSLIM or a RSSB follower of one's grand parent age or even younger than 23 year in age.

UMAR BHAR GHALIB YAHI BHOOL KARTA RAHA, DHOOL CHEHRE PAR THEE VOH AINAA SAAF KARTA RAHA!
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Mr. resonable,

Ye acha hai ki 23 years ki umar me tumhe parmatma ne itna gyan baksha hai ki tum itni queries ka details ke saath answer de sake.

Agar kabhi satsang me dhyan se suno to ye kaha jata hai ki kabhi bhi ye mat kaho ki kaun follower hai or non follower hai, but your subject starts with the word NON FOLLOWER.

If you accept this word follower and Non follower then I can definitely write that all of your generation whose DNA matched with your blood and who have taken birth before year 1800, all were non RSSB follower.

So you first state that also that from origin no one is RSSB follower.

Also if I.Q is to be compared for knowing the relgion better then you must also note that every avtari purush is not a well qualified or intellectual person and they himself stated that what ever we are speaking, it is the bani of god, he is using our mouth as a medium and otehr wise our knowledge is not of that mark. So it is not that for understanding a religion, good I.Q. is required.

I accept that I did not knew even a little thing about RSSB and you have the complete knowledge of it as you have read all the related books and also advised me to read.

I also accept that I did not knew about naam dan.

I also accept that very intellectual people are followers of it who have more I.Q. then me.

I also accept that I am a kue ka mendak.

I also do not accept the teachings.

I am a non follower.

I do not believe in any thing.

I do not read any of your advised books.

OK. Now you will be happy that you have defeated me.

I want to inform you that I have attended three Bhandara and around 15-20 sunday satsang.

But the EGO in your writing clearly estblished what I am stating in every reply consistently that every guru ka disciple must show his well mannered thinking and bahaviour to any non follower in which you were totally failed and that is the thing which must be the first lesson in any good teaching.

But otherwise in debate I accept my deafeat whole heartedly.

But I am still happy beacause I did not knew any thing about kaal, karam , naam and did not believe in this orthodox talks. I still think that before realising that we need GOD, we must understand that why we need it. It must not be that we are coward and need him as after acheiving him our pain will be ended. Instead we should happily suffer all pain in this world as he is the one who has designed the world in this way and we should be happy with his consent for our pain.

Instead we should request him to give us courage that we can do what you expect from us with happy heart.

I did not want to ensure my future in heaven by skiping my current responsibilities towards family and society.

It is good that RSSB followers who will take naam and will do regular meditation will not take birth again as you have stated and I expect that you must have known a number of those persons who have achieved that goal.

But nor I knew my past and neither I think that I should worry for my future.

I think that we should not blame any one for any sufferings and should accept the decision of creator with happiness.

I only knew about the life I have already lived and future is unknown and not in my control.

Who ever creator is and control my future is better educted and always knows what is better for me and will always do better for me.

Because I think only following things are necessary for which I should do practice:

1. Do service to your parents, relatives, guru and friends.
2. Perform your family , social and official responsibilities efficiently.
3. Do simran of god every time and anytime.
4. Talk sweetly with everyone and anyone.
5. Donate or service for poor, orphan, needy and handicapped.
6. Try to kill ego, anger, lust, attachment from myself.
7. Make my-self tolerant, controlled and patient person.
8. The last wish should be Ho ram nam mukh par jab tan se pran nikale.
9. Everyday listen, understand and apply shabad in action.
10. Jab samay mile or jahan samay mile or jo sewa mile kar do.
11. Honesty is must in all actions and try to speak truth to maximum extent.
12. From whehrever the good learning comes either it is RSSB, church, jainism, hindu dharam, sikhism, or any dharam guru, collect that only and try to implement in your action. Must not be any doubt about its source.
13. Jo karo acha karo baki us par chod do jisne sab banaya hai.

Yes I am binded to do this only and to be called as Kue ka mendak. But i knew that you will not accept this as right and your way of living as correct which is right as per your understanding.

I did not advise on this site to any one with a wrong intention. I advise them with the general acceptable way of doing the things in that current scenerio.

If some one of say 20 years age boy is asking that i have to live in Dera then he must be questioned that whether he has performed all his responsibities towards his parents and he is showing cowardness by skiping his responsibities.

Similarly if some one is stating that I need naam then he must first enquire himself that why he need that, he himself must realize its worth only then he should get it.

Afsos hota hai ki jise parmatma ne us se milane ke liye bheja hai log unhi ki bato ko nahi mante bus unko sab kuch mante hain.

Aaj ke jivan ko to enjoy karte nahi, mata pita ko pyar karte nahi bhavishya ke liye achi booking karane me lage hai.

Hindu dharam walo ko kehte hai ki vo karam kand me pade hai, pehle khud to samajhe ki vo jo kar rahe hai vo bhi to karam kand se kum nahi hai. Vo us tarah sawarg ka rasta bana rahe or tum is tarah swarg ka rasta bana rahe ho.
Farak sirf tarike ka hai, icha to sabki ek hai.

It is rightly stated for you by another contributor.

UMAR BHAR GHALIB YAHI BHOOL KARTA RAHA, DHOOL CHEHRE PAR THEE VOH AINAA SAAF KARTA RAHA!
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replied to:  rajatkwatra
resonable
Replied to:  Mr. resonable, Ye acha hai ki 23 years ki umar...
Satsang mein to aur bhi bohot si baatein hain to jo main follow kar chuka hu, but aap itni baar jake bhi follow to chodiye but smjh hi nahi paye...anyways

Well I might sound harsh,arrogant and Egoist but trust me.. I did realize my mistake after the Subject I posted....wanted to rectify subject, but changes cant be done to it.

As I mentioned in my reply above that I am full of mistakes/Faults and thats the reason I follow a guided path... I never said that I was perfect or superior to anyone.

From birth a Human being even dosnt know his value or even he dosnt get to decide his name....religion and other factors are fed to him from childhood which he readily accepts because in this materialistic world his elders are his best source of knowledge and guidance.

Again Once more I will have to mention that RSSB is not a RELIGION...its a philosophical society. EVERY person, from any part of the world is allowed to seek the teachings.

Religion binds the GOD to certain limits which is like a 'TAUHEEN' to him. He is LIMITLESS the ETERNAL BEING, who cannot be defined in this materialistic worlds languages. I speak my view, you are free for yours.

If you talk about Avtari purush then I hope you know that their value is far beyond what We as humans can think of....vo mahan hastiya apni 'MAAN BADHAEE' mein vishwas nahi krte aur isiliye us SATPURUSH ko dhanyawad krte hue uski mahima krte hain...

Aur I.Q wali baat maine open mindedness and ability to differentiate pe kri thi jo lots of achi I.Q wale log, RSSB ki philosophy ko daily experience karte hain by the means of bhajan/Simran.

Sorry but I really want to laugh on this line "OK. Now you will be happy that you have defeated me"

Really?? was that your purpose to be here asking queries? I would gladly tell I did not have even a wee bit of this defeat/win criteria on my mind, when I made this topic discussion or replied to your questions.....my replies according to me were very PRACTICAL in approach but it would have seem to be EGOISTIC/ARROGANT, just because I mentioned about my age.

I am glad that your search for God, bought you Bhandaras and sunday satsang, but still have doubts and queries are a Natural thing, inn cheezon mein vishwas karna asaan nahi hota hai... I understand

I have not been making post or discussing anything around anywhere....but your desperate need to rectify every person/satsangi around on the forum making any discussion post, is what bought me to this Topic.

""But otherwise in debate I accept my deafeat whole heartedly""
Sir, trust me My motive was to ask u to not bring doubts and questions into Bhole Bhale satsangi's who have pure love for their guru make discussion or request posts here ... but not to Defeat or insult you in any manner

I would have refrained from replying after making this topic, but then thought If my knowledge can help you with answers then WHY NOT?

And asking you to read that book is another part of help in answers which I thought would be beneficial to calm your questions. After reading it, if you still wud have questions...then No one except your own experience can help in that matter.

I agree with you on that matter of knowing GOD and why we need him. We have to happily live life (uski raza mein raji raho) because hes better judge that what we think of.

Responsibilities and Family have certain Time and need, for which we are here.....Family/Relatives ke saath bhi karmo ka len den hai....pura krte hi iss parae desh ko chord jana hai.

Sir sorry but I never said those ALL who take NAAM will not take birth again.....it is only possible if they help themselves by sitting in bhajan/simran...they'll have to be bought back here who do not perform daily prayer of 2.5 hr, as instructed by the Master.

I cannot know anyone who had achieved that goal because if they did then they would not be here on earth....but I certain know a few from whose Face it reflects the Practice and Labor they put into bhajan/simran....

If you knew your past then cetainly you'll be attracted to that...so thats the reason this worlds rule applies. but worrying about your future is certainly in your hand ( in terms of finding God on earth)....cuz past has gone behind but future is what to come, rest is upto you.

Yes, even in pain GOD should be thanked for his Grace..cuz one dosnt know what more he cud have suffered that GOD took away and gave less pain.

"Who ever creator is and control my future is better educted and always knows what is better for me and will always do better for me" -- I dont want to comment on this line....please read the book and u'll be surprised.

EVERY POINT 100% correct and a very good way of living life...Kudos to you.

I mentioned "kuen ka mendhak" just because you said you wont read the book...but not because of if you said that you don't believe in all this.....not reading is another thing and not accepting is completely different...I hope you agree!!

I am sorry If I took it other way about your intentions...that is generally the view I get from people around..because they dont know RSSB and when they say things which they dont know about.... I become a bit intolerant!!

As you mentioned about the boy, well I can tell you....who woudnt want to live in a peaceful place and near to his guru? These are just wishes which are in subconsious mind of a person ...majorly the reason being

1. His love for guru/master
2. not mature enough to realize life or responsibilities yet
3. His wish to perform Seva


In my views, certainly when A person is educated enough about the NAAM then only he thinks about getting initiated....I also agree that there must be some who want to take it as a Tradition On going Way in family...but they are scrutinized with an interview by the selected Sevadars(specifically for naam daan) every time.

Apka nazariya alag hai....jo ki apki marji hai. But when you start living the life and hear many things about satsangies and their experiences.... u'll be amazed because these are not made up stories but real experiences.

I hope you realise that whoever the PARAM-ATMA sends, is his part himself.. ek sacha guru/satpurush is no different from the GOD and thats the major reason we consider him GOD for us.

Sir na meri Iccha Swarg ki hai aur na hi narak ki....I dont want be even on the path which leads to them. Pls read the book to know Why I Say So!!

With these lines in the end It surprises me about your presence in the bhandars and sunday satsangs....I hope you were honest about what you said...cuz it dosnt seem like that...agar aisa hota to shayad aise reply na krte aap.

LOL...you worrying about what another contributor said to me? really? It was a mere line by someone who dosnt even know about what I am talking about..atleast I hope you do....So I dont give a heed to his replies.

Contributors ko Jab kuch kehne ko nai mila to dusre ko criticize kro...uski baat na samjho but meen mekh nikalo....apna parmarth na sudharo but dusre ko sahi galat kro.......I happned to just reply to your enquires and doubt ...they were not my deliberate efforts.


I hope those answers satisfied your questions in terms of knowing RSSB in general...

IF you still think I was trying to be arrogant or Egoistic then sorry, that your thought... I was clean on my part :)
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susingh
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Who would appreciate to raise the topic like this by one's name begining from, "RAJATKWATRA : A persistent Non-follower" that too continuing it for six days without realizing as if one could pass so many judgments against not only one but against all who, so ever, attempted to enter in such an unsound topic started by some Mr. Resonable? Similarly it does not appear to be good to have apprehended that some participent in any such discussion was a Sikh and biased against RSSB.Such comments appear to have been made only on presunption of one's Religion, which itself conveys the biased views in the mind of SATSANGI about Sikhs.

Even after so lengthy discussions, could Mr. Resonable make any point at all for his satisfaction rather than causing so much of distress for all others who attempted to share one's views in this box.

One must, repeat, must avoid passing any judgments on others, more so because this RSSB Discussion Forum is open for everyone for giving his views and all such views are open to be visited/viewed by others, who might be laughing by reading such topic opened for discussion in this forum.
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replied to:  susingh
resonable
Replied to:  Who would appreciate to raise the topic like this by one's...
IF there was a PM feature on this discussion forum then I would have happily done that....To convey a msg I had to make this Topic

I am not biased towards Sikh religion....MY guru bears a 'Pagg' he teaches the reality of content in Guru granth sahib, but if you see 99% of sikh act against RSSB and claiming their patent on Granth sahib...they do not try to listen or see the views or try to use their discretion power

I am not here to answer on anyones behalf, neither I am appointed for the same, but baseless allegations towards the existence or working of RSSB is not the thing which I can tolerate.

If something was done wrong then readily would have accepted but when we follow the path of the Divine being then who do not have Trust or faith in RSSB should not be bothered about the working of RSSB.

I never made any judgement other than that of taking some of forum members to be sikh..

This forum is not created by RSSB, its someones personal web space, NOT OWNED BY RSSB.
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replied to:  resonable
susingh
Replied to:  IF there was a PM feature on this discussion forum then...
Sorry! RSSB GURU does not bear only PAG but he is SIKH by birth. Rather while living in Paris, prior to his nomination as RSSB GURU, he might or might not be wearing PAG and was reported to be leading quite different style of life as per his choice. That is why he also got inclined to bow his head before GURU GRANTH SAHIB out of his couscious alone and was not asked to do so by anyone else.

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