Radha soami ji
mai 21 years age ki ho.mere mummy papa maujda baba ji se nam dan liye hai.mai bachpan se satsang sunti aa rhi hu.mare namdan lena chati ho.kya sadi ke phle namdan nhi mil skta.mai nam dan leker janm maran se chutakara chati hu.log kahte ki bhakti ki koi umar nhi hoti kisi bhi age kiya ja skta hai. to nam dan kyo sadi ke phle nhi dete babaji.mai mukti chati hu.mai dobara janm nhi lena chati .mai abhi se bhajan kerke mukti pana chati

Lagta hai ki BHAGWAAN ne aap ko yeh janam de kar kucch galti kar di hai.Kyon ki aap ne 21 saal tak padai mein dhyaan naa laga kar maanush janam mein kuchh bhi naa karne ki thhaan li hai. Aur aap ko vaapas jaane ki bahut jaldi hai. Bhagwaan par to bharosa hai he nahin ki us ke banaye hue jag ke liye bhi kuchh karne ki ichhaa rakho.

To shaadi karne ki to baat bhi naa socho aur intzaar karo puri lagan ke saath taki kisi aur kaa jivan to barbaad naa kar sako. Apne mummy papa ko apne vicharon ke baare mein bhi bataya hai ki nahin?

AGE LIMIT TO RSSB KE PRESENT BABA JI NE PRESCRIBE KEE HAY! PAHLE SAWAN SINGH JI NE TO DR. ISHWAR PURI KO 10 SAAL KI AGE MEIN NAAM DAAN DE DIYA THA! ISHWAR PURI MAHARAAJ 87 YEARS KE HAIN AUR DERA BABA SAWAN SINGH WISCONSIN (USA) MEIN SATSANG KARTE HAIN. AGAR AAP BHI NAAM DAAN KI ICHHA PAHLE BATA DETE TO CHARAN SINGH JI SE JANAM LENE PAR HE NAAM DAAN LE SAKTE THHE! NA JAANE KYON AAP NE YEH ICHHA BATAANE MEIN ITNI DER KYON KAR DEE? ELSE, AAP KISI AUR SANTMAT GURU SE NAAM DAAN TO LE HE SAKTE HAIN TAAKE IS JANAM SE JALDI CHHUTKARA MIL SAKE. BHAGWAAN KI BANAYEE IS RACHNA SE NAFARAT SE UDHAAR KA RAASTA TO CHUNA HAI AAP NE.

AAJ KE DIN RSSB KE ILAVA 11 AUR SANTMAT KE SECTS AUR ALAG ALAG GURU HAIN JO SHIV DAYAL AUR SALIG RAM KE SANTMAT KO APNE APNE TARIKE SE UNKE ABHIYAAN KO AAGE BADA RAHE HAIN.

IS KE ILAVA 90 COUNTIRES MEIN SATSANG CENTRES MEIN AUR PRAVACHAN KARTA BHI APNA APNA DHOL BAJA RAHEN HAIN AUR APNE TAREEKE SE YOG DAAN DE RAHE HAIN.

NAA JAANE KYON SABHI SATSANGI SELFISH HO KAR KEVAL AUR KEVAL APNE JANAM MARAN KI CHINTA MEIN KYO DUBO DIYE GAYE HAIN JAB KI SABHI SANT MAT KE GURU/PRACHARAK AURON KE BHALE KEE HE BAAT KARTE HAIN NAA KE APNE JIVAN KI. TO SATSANGIYON KE DIMAAG MEIN KEVAL APNE BAARE MEIN ITNA FIKR KYON? VOH IS JEEVAN MEIN KUCHH AURON KE BAARE MEIN TO SOCHEN ! NAA KI, KEVAL DETAHMENT KO HE PAKAD KE PAKKI GAANTH LAGA DEIN !

Yeh bhi to batao ki ab tak kuchh padai bhi ki hai ki nahin yaa PHIR SATSANGI mummy papa ne padaya bhi nahin ya aap ne sirf janam maran ke chakar se chhootne mein hi saari shakti aur dimaag laga diya hai?

AAP ko aur aap KE SATSANGI mummy papa ko shat shat pranaam!

Is Forum par aap ne public se vichaar share kar ke pata nahin kya expect kiya hoga ki log kitni duvidha mein pad jayen ge yaa aap ke vicharon ki sarhana karen ge. To aur vicharon ka bhi avlokan karne ke liye maein yahin viraam deta hun.BABA JI to is forum par aap se koi baat nahin kar sakte hain kyon ki yeh forum to public domain mein hai.

APRIL FOOL BANAYA?

Dear,
Koi baat nahi faltu logo ki baton ko nazarandaz kardo asa kuch nahi hei, jesa log bole rahe hei. logo ko apne khar k bare mei to pata nahi hei, dusro ki enquiry karte hei or faltu ki salahe dete hei..

Yeh bahut achi baat hei ki, aap naamdan lena chahte ho,yeh apki ichha is liye hui kyunki apke mata pita bhajan simran karte hei.our aap inko dekhkar apke mann me bhi santmat keliye pyar umarta hei.thats good.

But, har chiz ka waqt hota hei.apko wait karni hogi,aur 7 year tak.guru ne jo kehdiya so kehdiya, kuch soch samjh kar hi esi conditions rakhi hogi na dear.you should obey the orders of babaji, this is what babaji would like to see in there disciples/childrens.ab chahe koi dhol bajaye ya jo kmarzi kare hame kya. & ek our baat, isme koi selfish ki baat nahi hei, aap selfish nahi ho, caz naamdan lene ke liye ya naamdan lene k baad koi selfish rehta he nahi hei.balki woh bahut zada helpfull hojata hei, yeh bechare logo ko kya pata, jo selfish ki batei karte hei.don't get disappoited , motivate yourself & concentrate in your studies. I have already said , "this is what babaji wants in his childrens".


For NAAMDAAN

you should cover

you should have listen satsang's of babaji.(not necessary only in dera beas)& say TRUTH to sevadars when they will ask you the questions.

1>above 25 year(independent)for male & 28 years for female(married)/ (independent for unmarried).

2>Pure vegeterian ,not even EGG (because in some countries EGG is consumed as vegeterian.

3>Honest income (Haq-Halal ki kamai)

4>No INTOXICATION (nasha)Intoxication makes a person astray.
koi bhi nasha,bug,champagne,beer,viskety,cigarette..etc..)

5>Honest with spouse (no vulgar thought or see other lady/man).

& this is not april fool

All the Best...

There have always been two types of people, who did believe in GOD in this world in their own ways.

1. Those who want to merge in GOD under the pretext of spirituality or so called meditation independently or under the guidance of their masters/GURUS, by believing in detachment from all worldly affairs.

2. Whereas, others have full faith in the creator and love HIS creation by being its part even by sharing all pains and pleasures with HIS creations. They don’t care for being part of CHAURAASI or what so ever, again and again through re-birth in any form with the pleasure of GOD! This type of people lay down their life for contributing more and more through their research, education and full devotion for making this creation more and more comfortable through their wisdom under the grace of GOD.

So this human birth is full of options and opportunities for use of wisdom in the manner anyone likes as if (i) one likes to share love and devotion with the creation of GOD or (ii) one wants to get rid of this creation under the pretext of merging in GOD! Such a choice is not available with anyone else in this UNIVERSE, including even angels who are BOUND to perform their duties as assigned to them without any option/choice.

In this regard there is a real story, “One saint pleaded with GOD that since soul cannot do any KARMA independently i.e. without involvement of body, why then body shares only pains for bad karmas but soul is rewarded alone for good karmas while enjoying the pleasures of HAVEN or by merging into GOD? The saint wanted that his body should also be allowed to share such final reward either in HAVEN or also while merging into GOD, only because soul could not do any good or bad karmas without participation of body.

ELABORATION:- Unless eyes see someone getting involved in accident soul cannot attempt to save life without the help of hands or legs in any manner. Similarly unless brain functions or hands don’t come forward for donations out of one’s earnings, soul cannot do any such good karma itself. But in case of murdering or cheating or doing any bad karma, again all pains are faced and shared by body as per laws of KARMA.” This story relates to the wishes of father of HARISH CHANDRA who left for SANYAS ASHRAM and undertook 100 YAGYAS to please GOD and was finally asked by GOD for his last wishes.

But above posts appear to be lacking in both of these aspects, to some vital extent, due to adoption of narrow approach in a way.

Radhasoami Ji,

Aacha hai ke aap ka interest naamdaan mein hai,,,good,,,
but wait to karna padega,,,25 years ka rule babaji ka hai,,,hukam mein to rehna hi padega,,iss wait ka bhii appna alag maja hai,,,kyonki main bhii wait kar raha hoon iss liye kahe raha hoon,,,

Bus line mein rehna,,,kahin hallat badalte hi hoossla na toot jaye,,

Thanks
Ravi Ahuja

ਪੁੰਨ ਦਾਨ ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਾਚੇ ਕਿਆ ਤਾਸੁ ॥
पुंन दान चंगिआईआ बिनु साचे किआ तासु ॥
Punn ḏān cẖang▫ā▫ī▫ā bin sācẖe ki▫ā ṯās.
you may give donations to charity, and perform good deeds, but without the True One, what is the use of it all?
ਜੇਹਾ ਰਾਧੇ ਤੇਹਾ ਲੁਣੈ ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਣ ਜਨਮੁ ਵਿਣਾਸੁ ॥੧॥
जेहा राधे तेहा लुणै बिनु गुण जनमु विणासु ॥१॥
Jehā rāḏẖe ṯehā luṇai bin guṇ janam viṇās. ||1||
As you plant, so shall you harvest. Without virtue, this human life passes away in vain. ||1||
ਮੁੰਧੇ ਗੁਣ ਦਾਸੀ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
मुंधे गुण दासी सुखु होइ ॥
Munḏẖe guṇ ḏāsī sukẖ ho▫e.
O young bride, be a slave to virtue, and you shall find peace.
ਅਵਗਣ ਤਿਆਗਿ ਸਮਾਈਐ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਪੂਰਾ ਸੋਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
अवगण तिआगि समाईऐ गुरमति पूरा सोइ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Avgaṇ ṯi▫āg samā▫ī▫ai gurmaṯ pūrā so▫e. ||1|| rahā▫o.
Renouncing wrongful actions, following the Guru's Teachings, you shall be absorbed into the Perfect One. ||1||Pause||

(Granth Sahib, Page 56 of 1430)





ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਲਭਈ ਲਖ ਕੋਟੀ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਉ ॥੨॥
बिनु सतिगुर हरि नामु न लभई लख कोटी करम कमाउ ॥२॥
Bin saṯgur har nām na labẖ▫ī lakẖ kotī karam kamā▫o. ||2||
Without the True Guru, the Name of the Lord is not found, even though people may perform hundreds of thousands, even millions of rituals. ||2||

(Granth Sahib, Page 40 of 1430)

The ideas shared in the above post reveal as if human form does not have any option but to adopt only one purpose in life, which itself defeats the existence of wisdom in human form. Whereas existence of wisdom in human form means use of option in each action and decide what to do or what not to do.

It also undermines the services rendered by scientists, doctors, who spend their lives for making this world more and more resourceful and beautiful without even thinking to spare anytime for meditation/spirituality by ignoring the welfare of other humans. But for their devotion, one could not even think of trains, most important electronic media or longevity of life due to development in medical science.

Could such a large number of devotees avail attending SATSANG, SEWA in such a large number in absence of transportation, or think of availing GURUS services worldwide?

See the medical development relating to transplant of organs by doctors who claim as if human body is assembly of parts and have succeeded to repair or even replace various organs by taking organs even from dead bodies. Could doctors be expected to spare their 10% time for meditation or other 10% for seva by ignoring their service required for surgery/medication of patients? Could any patient accept and wait for his medication/operation for allowing a doctor to spare time for meditation on priority? Can the lives, spent by such devoted doctors or scientists, be taken to have been spent in vain?

Coming to spirituality and GURU, Christians form 34% percent of the world population followed by 14% population who don’t believe in any religion and 12% each are Muslim and Hindus. Sikhs are about 1% of the world population and Radha Soamis may by 0.1% of the world population who believe in deep philosophy of need of a live GURU for merger of soul in the GOD. So what about more than 99% of the world population, including present most of Sikhs, who do not believe in this philosophy of a live GURU?

So, one comes back to the option given by GOD for use of one’s wisdom in this human form in any manner for doing any and every act of life.

Yes! Even Ram and Krishna also were sent to ASHRAMS to get knowledge from RISHI GURUS but for a very limited time and then serve humans for the balance part of their life to protect their subjects in every field by displaying their model life styles.

But the philosophy of a live GURU for whole life at every step by sparing time and resources through some mandate lacks freedom to use one’s mind/wisdom in this human form.

Here is the need for use of one's wisdom given by GOD in this human form to seek knowledge from a GURU for any limited time and make full use of HIS teachings in one's lifestyle, so as to upkeep the honor of the GURU also !

1. you may give donations to charity, and perform good deeds, but without the True One, what is the use of it all?
2. As you plant, so shall you harvest. Without virtue, this human life passes away in vain. ||1||
3. O young bride, be a slave to virtue, and you shall find peace.

Don’t the above three points throw away the basic concept of KARMA theory being the root of RSSB philosophy? How could the life spent by a doctor or a scientist, for making this world more beautiful, be taken to have been spent in vain? Every day news papers are full of scientific development news relating to welfare of human life like one appearing in today's papers,"Scientists create world's lightest material - carbon aerogel" to play an important role in pollution control such as oil spill control, water purification and even air purification. Another news, about Indian-American astronaut Sunita Willaims, is also equally important, who has returned to the earth after four months.

4. Renouncing wrongful actions, following the Guru's Teachings, you shall be absorbed into the Perfect One. ||1||Pause|| (Granth Sahib, Page 56 of 1430)
5. Without the True Guru, the Name of the Lord is not found, even though people may perform hundreds of thousands, even millions of rituals. ||2|| (Granth Sahib, Page 40 of 1430)

These two points have been quoted from GURUGRANTH SAHIB, which itself to be taken as GURU having stopped the belief of a live GURU after tenth SIKH GURU.

"The ideas shared in the above post reveal as if human form does not have any option but to adopt only one purpose in life, which itself defeats the existence of wisdom in human form. Whereas existence of wisdom in human form means use of option in each action and decide what to do or what not to do."

==> I think you have misintrepreted some things. It's been stated that if one wants to attain salvation and be one with supreme being, then he has to follow a set of rules which are undermined in teachings of saints. I don't think it's been inferred can one person can't do anything in life. But yes, the purpose of this human form is to unite our soul with god whose identity is overshadowed by mind.




"It also undermines the services rendered by scientists, doctors, who spend their lives for making this world more and more resourceful and beautiful without even thinking to spare anytime for meditation/spirituality by ignoring the welfare of other humans. But for their devotion, one could not even think of trains, most important electronic media or longevity of life due to development in medical science."

==> What if you come to know this whole world is just a illusion and countless worlds exist at the same time like this some of them much more advanced than us and after a dissolution everything has to be started from the beginning? Doctors and scientists may be doing well for humanity but what are they doing for thier soul who is detached from supreme god. They maybe reknowed alive but after death of physical body, they are again subjected to law of birth and death and what is the gurantee that next birth is better than previous? And by the way, spirituality doesn't mean that one person has to leave his job, profession, duties etc.. If you think so, then you are mistaken. Many doctors and scientist do believe in spirituality and they devote their time in spirituality too like julian johnson who was assoicated with surat shabd yoga and wrote books on spirituality.




"Could such a large number of devotees avail attending SATSANG, SEWA in such a large number in absence of transportation, or think of availing GURUS services worldwide?"

==> Real seva to master is meditation and real satsang is listening to bhajan which can be performed by anyone and anywhere.





"See the medical development relating to transplant of organs by doctors who claim as if human body is assembly of parts and have succeeded to repair or even replace various organs by taking organs even from dead bodies. Could doctors be expected to spare their 10% time for meditation or other 10% for seva by ignoring their service required for surgery/medication of patients? Could any patient accept and wait for his medication/operation for allowing a doctor to spare time for meditation on priority? Can the lives, spent by such devoted doctors or scientists, be taken to have been spent in vain? "

==> Why you are more concerned with meditation. If a person spare 10% or more time in doing physical exercise, yoga, outing etc., then this would be of no immediate concern for you?





"Coming to spirituality and GURU, Christians form 34% percent of the world population followed by 14% population who don’t believe in any religion and 12% each are Muslim and Hindus. Sikhs are about 1% of the world population and Radha Soamis may by 0.1% of the world population who believe in deep philosophy of need of a live GURU for merger of soul in the GOD. So what about more than 99% of the world population, including present most of Sikhs, who do not believe in this philosophy of a live GURU?"

==> It is wrong for you to assert that only RSSB is philosophy of live guru. There has been many paths existing today that teaches the same. Spritituality isn't bound to any religion. In fact, it's undermines the core teachings of every religion.




"So, one comes back to the option given by GOD for use of one’s wisdom in this human form in any manner for doing any and every act of life. "

==> That's why this human life is precious. In this form only, he has imparted free will so that we can become seekers, use our wisdom to decide which path to follow and unite with almighty.





"Yes! Even Ram and Krishna also were sent to ASHRAMS to get knowledge from RISHI GURUS but for a very limited time and then serve humans for the balance part of their life to protect their subjects in every field by displaying their model life styles."

==> It's been mentioned in Bhagavad gita that path to salvation is through meditation/Bhakti yoga under the able guidance of guru. The promiment followers of this bhakti movement were known as vaisnavas. This same movement was spread to the masses by Guru Ravidas and kabir.





"But the philosophy of a live GURU for whole life at every step by sparing time and resources through some mandate lacks freedom to use one’s mind/wisdom in this human form."

==> If you are not a seeker and think that it is a burden and want to serve your time somewhere else, then go ahead. I am afraid that this path is not for you.





"Don’t the above three points throw away the basic concept of KARMA theory being the root of RSSB philosophy? "

==> You have inferred it wrong because you picked only first three statements and left out fourth statement. Join all the four statements and notice that it is being said that relying on donations alone and not following guru teachings is worthless.





"How could the life spent by a doctor or a scientist, for making this world more beautiful, be taken to have been spent in vain? Every day news papers are full of scientific development news relating to welfare of human life like one appearing in today's papers,"Scientists create world's lightest material - carbon aerogel" to play an important role in pollution control such as oil spill control, water purification and even air purification. Another news, about Indian-American astronaut Sunita Willaims, is also equally important, who has returned to the earth after four months. "

==> Scientists are also developing weapons, some countries are invading other countries killing innocent people. Newspapers are also filled up with news of increasing crime rate. Given the tense situation on the Korean Peninsula, the possibility of the third world war cannot be ruled out which has been headings in newspapers these days.
Anyway, i maybe exaggregating, but at the same time i believe that there is no everlasting happiness in this physical world without any pain. Human's behaviour also show sinusoidal behavior. At times you are happy and other times you are low.






"These two points have been quoted from GURUGRANTH SAHIB, which itself to be taken as GURU having stopped the belief of a live GURU after tenth SIKH GURU."

==> I don't know why a book has to be taken as guru, when it is reiterated many times in same book that we must not worship lifeless things and follow living guru. I think that people have created empty ritualism by themselves.

Following views in the above post are quite unique/critical and require review by, starspeed himself, on the lines contained in paragraphs A to C at the bottom.

1. That's why this human life is precious. In this form only, he has imparted free will so that we can become seekers, use our wisdom to decide which path to follow and unite with almighty.
2. I don't know why a book has to be taken as guru, when it is reiterated many times in same book that we must not worship lifeless things and follow living guru. I think that people have created empty ritualism by themselves.
3. "But the philosophy of a live GURU for whole life at every step by sparing time and resources through some mandate lacks freedom to use one’s mind/wisdom in this human form."
==> If you are not a seeker and think that it is a burden and want to serve your time somewhere else, then go ahead. I am afraid that this path is not for you.
4. I think you have misintrepreted some things. It's been stated that if one wants to attain salvation and be one with supreme being, then he has to follow a set of rules which are undermined in teachings of saints. I don't think it's been inferred can one person can't do anything in life. But yes, the purpose of this human form is to unite our soul with god whose identity is overshadowed by mind.
5. Real seva to master is meditation and real satsang is listening to bhajan which can be performed by anyone and anywhere.
6. Why you are more concerned with meditation. If a person spare 10% or more time in doing physical exercise, yoga, outing etc., then this would be of no immediate concern for you?
7. It is wrong for you to assert that only RSSB is philosophy of live guru. There has been many paths existing today that teaches the same. Spritituality isn't bound to any religion. In fact, it's undermines the core teachings of every religion.

A. Having agreed that this human life is precious, only because he has been imparted free will/choice for making decisions of one’s destiny for, even, opting to love GOD’s creation through service/love to all HIS creation without any anxiety to merge one’s soul in the SUPREME SOUL, all other views in the above post become irrelevant for such human beings.

This choice/option is not, even, available with angels who are bound to follow GOD's mandates without use of any such wisdom. i.e. YAMRAJ is bound to take any soul as and when he is mandated to do so. Sun cannot deny shining at day time by using his wisdom in any different manner.

As such, human beings have choice to enjoy through rebirth by sharing and enjoying with HIS creation as also continue their attempts to make HIS creation more and more beautiful instead of taking it an allusion or what so ever, by believing or finding fault in HIS creation in any manner.

So, the question, of such people becoming seekers, does not arise except for praying GOD to give full strength/courage to bear all pains arising out of one’s KARMA debts, if any. Nor is the requirement to use one’s wisdom to decide which path/religion to follow and unite with almighty, in that case and follow mandates of religious gurus.

B. At the same time, the views about following the teachings contained in GURU GRANTH SAHIB with some reservations about live, GURU, this fight is between SIKHISM and RSSB followers which does not appear to have any resolution, since it is full of nothing but duality, more so when the original SANTMAT of AGRA did not have any such reservations.

C. At the same time, the philosophy of a live GURU, for whole life and at every step, by sparing time and resources through some mandate, lacks freedom to use one’s mind/wisdom in this human form, which is neither prescribed nor stressed in any other religion/sect, more so when the efforts and contributions made by great scientists and doctors have been undermined, whose benefits are being enjoyed by RSSB GURUS also at a very large scale though in a selective manner through their mandate for not allowing RSSB devotees to use electronic media for telecasting SATSANG to quench their thirst/anxiety.

"A. Having agreed that this human life is precious, only because he has been imparted free will/choice for making decisions of one’s destiny for, even, opting to love GOD’s creation through service/love to all HIS creation without any anxiety to merge one’s soul in the SUPREME SOUL, all other views in the above post become irrelevant for such human beings."

==> What do you really think merging is?







"This choice/option is not, even, available with angels who are bound to follow GOD's mandates without use of any such wisdom. i.e. YAMRAJ is bound to take any soul as and when he is mandated to do so. Sun cannot deny shining at day time by using his wisdom in any different manner. "

==> Correct statement would be "Free will is only available in this human form, and instead of YAMRAJ, a satguru will take soul of initiated person to his real abode. Sun cannot deny shining because sun has no free will."

Little excerpt from granth sahib,
ਜਿਨ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਸੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਭਾਗਹੀਣ ਜਮ ਪਾਸਿ ॥
जिन हरि हरि हरि रसु नामु न पाइआ ते भागहीण जम पासि ॥
Jin har har har ras nām na pā▫i▫ā ṯe bẖāghīṇ jam pās.
Those who have not obtained the Sublime Essence of the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, Har, are most unfortunate; they are led away by the Messenger of Death.
ਜੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਰਣਿ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਆਏ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਜੀਵੇ ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਜੀਵਾਸਿ ॥੩॥
जो सतिगुर सरणि संगति नही आए ध्रिगु जीवे ध्रिगु जीवासि ॥३॥
Jo saṯgur saraṇ sangaṯ nahī ā▫e ḏẖarig jīve ḏẖarig jīvās. ||3||
Those who have not sought the Sanctuary of the True Guru and the Sangat, the Holy Congregation; cursed are their lives, and cursed are their hopes of life. ||3||
ਜਿਨ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਪਾਈ ਤਿਨ ਧੁਰਿ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਲਿਖਾਸਿ ॥
जिन हरि जन सतिगुर संगति पाई तिन धुरि मसतकि लिखिआ लिखासि ॥
Jin har jan saṯgur sangaṯ pā▫ī ṯin ḏẖur masṯak likẖi▫ā likẖās.
Those humble servants of the Lord who have attained the Company of the True Guru, have such pre-ordained destiny inscribed on their foreheads.
ਧਨੁ ਧੰਨੁ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਜਿਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਰਸੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਮਿਲਿ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਰਗਾਸਿ ॥੪॥੪॥
धनु धंनु सतसंगति जितु हरि रसु पाइआ मिलि जन नानक नामु परगासि ॥४॥४॥
Ḏẖan ḏẖan saṯsangaṯ jiṯ har ras pā▫i▫ā mil jan Nānak nām pargās. ||4||4||
Blessed, blessed is the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation, where the Lord's Essence is obtained. Meeting with His humble servant, O Nanak, the Light of the Naam shines forth. ||4||4||

(Granth Sahib, page 10 of 1430)








"As such, human beings have choice to enjoy through rebirth by sharing and enjoying with HIS creation as also continue their attempts to make HIS creation more and more beautiful instead of taking it an allusion or what so ever, by believing or finding fault in HIS creation in any manner. "

==> How do you know that this world is not an illusion and this is only place we live in? We are not finding fault in creation. Instead we are trying to seek the truth beyond this creation, beyond this mortal form and beyond time and space.

Some excerpt from granth sahib,

ਸਹਸਾ ਇਹੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ਹੈ ਮਰਿ ਜੰਮੈ ਆਇਆ ਜਾਇਆ ॥
सहसा इहु संसारु है मरि जमै आइआ जाइआ ॥
Sahsā ih sansār hai mar jammai ā▫i▫ā jā▫i▫ā.
This world is an illusion; it dies and it is re-born-it comes and it goes in reincarnation.
ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੋਹੁ ਨ ਤੁਟਈ ਸਭਿ ਥਕੇ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਇਆ ॥
बिनु सतिगुर मोहु न तुटई सभि थके करम कमाइआ ॥
Bin saṯgur moh na ṯut▫ī sabẖ thake karam kamā▫i▫ā.
Without the True Guru, emotional attachment is not broken. All have grown weary of performing empty rituals.
ਗੁਰਮਤੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਸੁਖਿ ਰਜਾ ਜਾ ਤੁਧੁ ਭਾਇਆ ॥
गुरमती नामु धिआईऐ सुखि रजा जा तुधु भाइआ ॥
Gurmaṯī nām ḏẖi▫ā▫ī▫ai sukẖ rajā jā ṯuḏẖ bẖā▫i▫ā.
Those who follow the Guru's Teachings meditate on the Naam, the Name of the Lord. Filled with a joyful peace, they surrender to Your Will.
ਕੁਲੁ ਉਧਾਰੇ ਆਪਣਾ ਧੰਨੁ ਜਣੇਦੀ ਮਾਇਆ ॥
कुलु उधारे आपणा धंनु जणेदी माइआ ॥
Kul uḏẖāre āpṇā ḏẖan jaṇeḏī mā▫i▫ā.
They save their families and ancestors; blessed are the mothers who gave birth to them.

(Granth Sahib, page 138 of 1430)







"So, the question, of such people becoming seekers, does not arise except for praying GOD to give full strength/courage to bear all pains arising out of one’s KARMA debts, if any. Nor is the requirement to use one’s wisdom to decide which path/religion to follow and unite with almighty, in that case and follow mandates of religious gurus. "

==> Why to pray to god to give full strength to bear all karmic pains when there is option available in first place according to god's will to set ourselves free from this law of karma and live in sachkhand in ever lasting happiness.







"B. At the same time, the views about following the teachings contained in GURU GRANTH SAHIB with some reservations about live, GURU, this fight is between SIKHISM and RSSB followers which does not appear to have any resolution, since it is full of nothing but duality, more so when the original SANTMAT of AGRA did not have any such reservations. "

==> Santmat represents just what exactly is written in granth sahib. I don't see where santmat teachings are against it.






"C. At the same time, the philosophy of a live GURU, for whole life and at every step, by sparing time and resources through some mandate, lacks freedom to use one’s mind/wisdom in this human form, which is neither prescribed nor stressed in any other religion/sect, more so when the efforts and contributions made by great scientists and doctors have been undermined, whose benefits are being enjoyed by RSSB GURUS also at a very large scale though in a selective manner through their mandate for not allowing RSSB devotees to use electronic media for telecasting SATSANG to quench their thirst/anxiety. "

==> Point is, that only a living satguru can initiate a person. And one person has not to leave his religion, duties etc. to become a initiate. A doctor can do his profession and a scientist can do his research even after initiation. There is no such restriction that you are talking about. I don't see why it's a problem regarding live telecast of satsang when satsang CDs are available at every outlets.