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Israeli-Palestinian conflict
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Israel has no right to exist
Israel has no right to exist
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aseforlife
2/25/09
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Israel is a nation founded on theft. We all know it, including the Israelis. They wanted the land and simply took it - using violence, politics, and yes - even terrorism.
Israel's actions since it's founding have been equally if not more criminal.
This quote from David Ben-Gurion (first Prime Minister of Israel) puts everything into perspective quite nicely.
"If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country . . . We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"
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zapster
2/25/09
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Yes, I think that, in a moment of clarity (and honesty), most Israelis today would concede Ben-Gurion's point.
But let's not forget that colonization of foreign lands is quite common in the history of the West as well.
Case in point:
Just 100 years before the founding of Isreal, the U.S. goverment was actively engaged in brutally subjugating the Native Americans - including taking their land by force. They also used their military superiority to kill countless Native Americans who refused to capitulate. The parallels are striking.
Our culpability in the past, though, should make us LESS willing to tolerate the immoral and brutal oppression and killing of the Palesintian people.
The only way to absolve us from our sins of the past is to fight to prevent a reoccurrance of these types of abuses anywhere in the world - including Israel.
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hanso
2/25/09
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You should both get a life. You made several historical references. Maybe you just haven't gotten to the part in your history book which describes how the Jews were forced from their homeland by the Romans in 135CE. Israel never stopped being Israel - the jews were forced to leave during oppressive Roman rule, then their descendants came back in the 20th century to reclaim it.
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swewing
2/25/09
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There are several problems with your argument. I only have the time and patience to help you with one of them.
Territorial claims have NO legal standing after 2000 years! You must on some level see the absurdity of that argument. If this argument did have a basis in international law, it could be just as easily applied AGAINST Israel. Clearly many different tribes and races have occupied that land now called Israel long before the first jew.
If this was only about 'who got there first' Israel would lose the argument - and their country.
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