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Islam provides the death penalty for abortion, not for homosexuality or adultery!
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MartinTimothy
To willfully kill an unborn child is a crime against the law of man and a crime against the law of God, witness numerous injunctions against unlawful killing generally and abortion / infanticide specifically in the Koran, which also describes the only circumstances when deliberate homicide is lawful,

Being just retaliation for unlawful killing following a fair trial, during the course of Jihad or just war against an aggressor, who must first have waged war upon oneself, ones children, ones family or ones country, or for capital corruption, injunctions and penalties endorsed in Mosaic Law and Christian Testament, which Moslems recognize as proceeding from God.

Since 1970 Abortion has taken billions of lives, this tract warns the abortion guilty their lives will be forfeit if prosecutions take place under the auspices of AL-ISLAM, on which basis it could be expected that the number of executions will commensurate with the number of abortions, and thus be in the millions,

Then anticipate the demise of virtually the entire medical, political and law enforcement establishments world wide, as the fulfillment of the prophesy of Jesus Christ comes to pass that, "children shall rise up against their parents, and shall put them to death."

[quote][b]Feedback:[/b] What about .. capital punishment for adultery or homosexuality?[/quote]

The Koran does not endorse CP for either of those offenses, those who say it does have misinterpreted the scriptures, while persons carrying out executions for either of those offenses should themselves be prosecuted in a capital court!

[quote][b]Feedback:[/b] Do you condemn any abortion for any reason?[/quote]

Yes!

[quote][b]Feedback:[/b] What if the mother's life is at risk?[/quote]

Natural miscarriage often occurs in entropic pregnancy situations, where the developing infant is not in the womb but someplace else, which does not give doctors or anyone else the right to kill!

[quote][b]Feedback:[/b] Or the foetus is developing with abnormalities that would deny it a reasonable quality life?[/quote]

If you were brought to trial after killing because you decided that "a reasonable quality of life" was impossible for the deceased, then went before a jury composed of those who are "gettin' along ok," despite any judgments you would have made regarding their physical and or mental properties,

And even as Master Confucius assures us "for every day there is a dog," and that, "every dog has his day," would not the day be theirs after all.

[quote][b]Feedback:[/b] Or if in mid or late pregnancy, the mother's life becomes endangered or there is a risk of her dying during childbirth..[/quote]

With proper care and since the pregnancy has continued to the late stage without natural miscarriage, there should be no reason that such a situation would arise.

The woman in question will be attended by experienced in midwifery personnel, who will determine whether a Caesarian section is required, while those who made the initial prognosis will be put to the sword for attempted murder!

[quote][b]Feedback:[/b] Where specifically in the Qur'an is killing the unborn child mentioned?[/quote]

[b]In the name of Allah, the Beneficent the Merciful[/b]

[b]Surah 6: Al An'am - Cattle, Livestock - Verse 151[/b] ..Say, "Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for you: You shall not set up idols besides Him, you shall honor your parents, you shall not kill your children from fear of poverty - we provide for you and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious or hidden, you shall not kill - Allah has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."

[b]Sura 17: Bani Israel - The Children of Israel - Verse 31[/b] ..Slay not your children, fearing a fall to poverty, We shall provide for them and for you, the slaying of them is great sin, and come not near unto adultery, for it is an abomination and an evil way. And slay not the life which Allah hath forbidden save with right, whoso is slain wrongfully, We have given power unto his heir, but let him not commit excess in slaying, he will be helped. Khalifa translation.

[quote][b]Feedback:[/b] You're wrong, the Koran does recommend the death penalty for adultery & homosexuality.[/quote]

Not wrong at all..

[b]In the name of Allah, the Beneficent the Merciful[/b]

[b]Surah 24 An Nur - The Light - Verse 2[/b] ..The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication flog each of them with a hundred stripes: let not compassion move you in their case in a matter prescribed by Allah if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

[b]Surah 7 Al Aaraf - The Heights - Verse 80[/b] ..Remember when he said unto his folk : Will ye commit abomination such as no nation ever did before you, for ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."

[quote]In the case of adultery where similar text appears to endorse death, Jesus tells us to err on the side of mercy, while in response to homosexuality, the text expresses outrage and repugnance - it does not provide the death penalty![/quote]
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Islam does NOT provide the death penalty for ABORTION.
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MartinTimothy
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In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

5.45: We prescribed .. that life is for life.

The Koran, Sura 5 - The Table, verse 45.

This passage endorses execution in response to abortion.
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Does it really apply to the situation ?
Whose life should be taken in return then?
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Listen Martin Timothy..you don't have to answer the questions to understand the issue....

People in 'trouble' to understand Islam are messing it up..taking it for-granted..mis-using..and mis-interpretting...

First of all tell me how would other religions..any...can solve the propblem of the illegitimate relationship that brings an un-wanted soul on earth..woman's fault...man's fault...child's fault....
The problem of most societies 'today' is because of immodest practices....forgetting religion...and when these things become the physical problems...they start bringing religion into it...why?
So how can the law solve an un-lawful issue?????????????

Now when the problem is legal..I mean a responsible couple who is legally bonded to bring new lives on this planet...decide not to have more children because of different reason...including the medical reasons ..then it is entrely a different matter....is it ..or not...

Now back in time..there were just a few remedies to get out of the problem..and the conscience used to play a great role ...while these days...everything is jusssssssst mechanical..technical...physical...and irrational......

People in India kill their female inside the wombs of the mother..before it is born...though Life is vital and valid after being born but who will prosecute one's intentions...which are known by Almighty only...

People who are spreading confusions are not better than those who are spreading wrong knowledge...

Please Reply with your fair opinion..No one here is interested in borrowed feed-backs...

So are you a Muslim now..or what?

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Response to: "This passage endorses execution in response to abortion."

Nono: If there is no medical reason for it, then I agree that the Qur'an does support the death penalty. The verse you quote from says:

5:45 In it, We decreed for them that the life with life, and the eye with the eye, and the nose with the nose, and the tooth for the tooth, and justice for the wounds so that whoever you remit charity with it then it is an atonement for him. Whoever does not judge with what Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى) sent down, then those, they are the unjust.

But to further justify your position, here is another verse that supports your position:

5:32 It is from justification that We decreed to the Tribe of Israel that whoever kills human beings, except in self-defense [Lit.: without of breath] or corruption/violence in the land [meaning treason], then it is like killing all the human beings, and whoever saves it [a human being], then it is like saving all the human beings. Certainly, Our Messengers came to them with the clarification. Then indeed, after that, many of them were wasteful ones in the earth.

Now, the other perspective that must be retained in this debate is "Who is to determine when life begins?" Is killing a fetus the same as killing a life? In the United States, according to the U.S. Constitution, a life must be born first to be considered a life. There is no Constitutional right for an unborn child to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I think it would be appropriate to give life to the unborn child in the Constitution, but if we speak in terms of legalities in the United States, abortion is like picking at a scab. A scab has living organisms in it to make the Factor 8 do its job, but in spite of the fact that these living organisms are important features of human existence, their only rights are to obey the laws of nature, thus making themselve Muslims, submitters to Allah's laws for them. In other words, before debating the subject of abortion, we need to determine what it is legally in the country you live or based upon what your conscience dictates. I personally see abortion as murder, though, and like killing all mankind.

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Thanks for your Input Nono, I apprecaite it...

But I dare say that Islam is not 'based upon' someone's personal opinion....then it seems to a be "very personal form of Islam"...

Islam is the dealing of the issues with respect to everything ..that surrounds a single person...

There's some difference in the word use and abuse...

Well I don't see how something** referred to REVENGE 5:45...and the Unlawful killing (5:32) ..(an ORDER given to bani Israel..which extends to the new definition of Muslims of Quran...).......**can virtually apply to what you are suggesting....

Kindly explain it to me in simple English..Thanks..

I just don't understand ...how can Quran handle the issues of today, spread like epidemics...with justified solutions...!!!!!!!!!!
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Why are you wasting time like this. Abortion is abortion and religion is religion.
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