Radha Soami Satsang Beas
Is there Research wing in Science of the Soul to update its achievements to present modern level?
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susingh
Santmat came into existence in the mid-1850 and then Shiv Dayal Singh had handful of followers in Agra’ However, his teachings eventually attracted disciples from across India and by the time of his death in 1878, Shiv Dayal had several thousands of followers. He died on 15 June 1878 in Agra, India.

Shiv Dayal Singh's wife, Narayani Devi (called Radhaji), Rai Saligram (called Huzur Maharaj), Sanmukh Das, Gharib Das, Partap Singh (Shiv Dayal's younger brother) and Baba Jaimal Singh were some of his prominent followers around whom individual satsang groups formed. This splintering off, led to the propagation of Radhasoami teachings to a wider audience, although with slightly varied interpretations.

Radha Soami Satsang Beas Lineage of Successors:-

The Beas Satsang was founded by Shivdayal Singh's disciple Jaimal Singh. The Beas lineage is:-

• Bābā Jaimal Singh Mahārāj - Master, 1884-1903.
• Hazur Bābā Sāwan Singh Mahārāj - Master, 1903-1948.
• Sardār Bahādur Jagat Singh Mahārāj - Master, 1948-1951.
• Mahārāj Charan Singh - Master, 1951-1990.
• Bābā Gurinder Singh Mahārāj - Master, 1990–present.

1. Does the RSSB, SANTMAT being Science of the Soul, have Research wing?

2. Does the MASTER/GURU of RSSB have any background or knowledge of scientific approach after having obtained his Bachelor's degree in Commerce from Punjab University, CHANDIGARH?

3. If so, whether its achievements, to the present modern level of development have been updated?

4. If so, details of changes made in its philosophy, way back from mid 1850, need to be provided for the welfare of RSSB’s devotees.

5. Reincarnation leads to many, many physical births and deaths i.e. humans from animals and other living things through karmic law and reincarnation in another life. Then why is there duality to encourage eating plants by killing them and not animals? Is it only because of differential in their Quantity, not quality, of brain’s consciousness? While doing so use of flu shot is restricted but blood donation or donation of human organs even that of non-vegetarian humans is not taken care of by RSSB?

6. Whether any research has been done on the impact of its philosophy causing lot of stress due to following or some other reasons?



(A) Lot of stress is reported to be on the behavioral aspect of many RSSB devotees due to adoption of meditation for minimum two and half hours daily. Many of SATSANGIS are even suffering from OCD or Bi-polar distress due this reason alone.This observation is based on findings medical reports.

(B) Similarly the impact of time spent on KAAR SEWA as also for SATSANG and other activities is affecting the job profile of SATSANGIS at large, that too by prescribing an early age of 25 years for NAAMDAAN instead of prescribing it beyond 60 years at least.

(C) Regarding donation to the extent of 10% of SATSANGIS income, there is need to give freedom for limiting their donations after considering the financial requirements of each family. There is also a need to give freedom to donate any ammount to the needy or downtrodden person if so identified by SATSANGIS themselves instead of mandatory donation to RSSB itself.

(D) Has RSSB found any negative impact on telecasting the RSSB SATSANG through any media or through DVD, since discontinued after having allowed downloading of SATSANGS of RSSB GURU CHARAN SINGH on YOUTUBE, more so when it is causing lot of expenses and discomforts to elderly or other poor SATSANGIS?

(E) Further, lot of stress is being caused due to restriction on sex life of SATSANGIS by ignoring the requirements of their spouses after giving birth to a child as per their family plan or what so ever. As otherwise such restrictions are against scientific approach as also against social ethics as well as GOD’s creativity. This misgiving can also be overcome by enhancing the minimum age to 60 years for NAAMDAAN, when SATSANGIS may be free from all their social liabilities in an honest manner. Else SATSANGIS can join RSSB by deciding not to marry after having attained NAAMDAAN at any earlier age.


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rajatkwatra
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Mr. Singh you very well knew that no one will or can give answers to your questions.
People are not able to differentiate about what is good or bad for him.
All wants to get rid of pain and so all are running on this path with the basic understanding that they will get the tension free life on this.
No one understand that sukh dukh hani labh everything is controlled and managed by GOD only and he can not delegate his power to others.
I myself is suffering with the misunderstanding existing in RSSB followers who escapes from their family obligations and think that do not love your parents but Guru only and become selfish as did not care for old age parents, living spouse, children but devote time only in meditation.
Simran of god, guru is not a bad but a very admiring thing but for that if the responsibilities have been kept on stake is not an acceptable thing.
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susingh
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Yes! I know it and don’t expect any answer to these basic questions based on reality on the ground. But these unanswered questions would remain on website indicating concerns of all those who are suffering because of misgivings of RSSB teachings being spread in quite contradictory manner at such a large scale. It is really painful that RSSB GURU is not, even, in favor of releasing SATSANG through electronic media even though SATSANG of RSSB GURU CHARAN SINGH has been allowed to be down loaded on YOUTUBE. In fact it has turned into a cult by now, where RSSB devotees have become used to ignoring all family members but do love and care for SATSANGIS only. I am yet to come across any SATSANGI to claim having resolved his pains after having spent years or decades. It is strange that all disciples are flocking in this path like-------- without any achievements and instead are creating lot of bad KARMAS debts in their account by creating pains for their family, kids and above all even for their parents. Rather there are many, who have left this path after having realized to have wasted their time and energy for decades without any achievement and finally left the path with lot of regrets even if it was too late by then. But one cannot wait for return of one’s near and dears who got involved in this path anyhow, even if it would be in the best interest of their spirituality to curb addition of bad KARMAS in their account having caused lot of pains for their family.

As otherwise also, does anyone have answers to these questions based on real state of affairs and sufferings around RSSB disciples at large? Does anyone have concerns for the families, kids or parents of RSSB devotees, who are being ignored by spending time on meditation, so called KAAR SEWA and STASANG activities apart from donations to the extent of 10% of one's income that too by ignoring the family requirements for their welfare as also by keeping their job profile at stake? Why does the RSSB prescribe minimum age of 60 years or even more, for such activities/NAAMDAAN when one can be free from all his liabilities and may not cause as much pain at that stage.If so, are they going to miss some target in their spirituality, which otherwise has also not been in sight in any case?

IS RSSB AJNABI SHEHR KE HAIN AJNABI RAASTE, MERI TANHI PAR MUSKRAATE RAHE!
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(("1. Does the RSSB, SANTMAT being Science of the Soul, have Research wing? "))

--> Research wing for what? Have you read all of the SANTMAT books?



(("2. Does the MASTER/GURU of RSSB have any background or knowledge of scientific approach after having obtained his Bachelor's degree in Commerce from Punjab University, CHANDIGARH? "))

--> Once a person is into meditation and attains spiritual enlighenment, he gets all the answers to his questions. Have a look at Kabir Ji teachings in Anurag Sagar. Though not literate, he has explained some of the biggest mysteries about creation of world and life.



(("3. If so, whether its achievements, to the present modern level of development have been updated?
4. If so, details of changes made in its philosophy, way back from mid 1850, need to be provided for the welfare of RSSB’s devotees."))

--> From past times our clothing changes, theory and concepts about science changes, our lifestyle changes but the philosophy of salvation remains the same.



(("5. Reincarnation leads to many, many physical births and deaths i.e. humans from animals and other living things through karmic law and reincarnation in another life. Then why is there duality to encourage eating plants by killing them and not animals? Is it only because of differential in their Quantity, not quality, of brain’s consciousness? While doing so use of flu shot is restricted but blood donation or donation of human organs even that of non-vegetarian humans is not taken care of by RSSB? "))

--> It is believed that every thought we make, every activity we do incur karma. Yes, even eating plants by killing them incur karma but to a much lower debt than killing animals. If you kill a plant and start reading some book, you will not notice any change in concentration and consciousness, but if your kill a man and start doing the same above activity, you will notice that you'll not be able to concentrate enough. Same with meditation.
Some karma is just unavoidable like in process of inhaling we inhale many many microorganisms which gets instantly killed once they come into contact with saliva enzymes. So it's better to take care of activities that only guru has told us to do.
Flu shot is not restricted. Where do you get this information?



(("(A) Lot of stress is reported to be on the behavioral aspect of many RSSB devotees due to adoption of meditation for minimum two and half hours daily. Many of SATSANGIS are even suffering from OCD or Bi-polar distress due this reason alone.This observation is based on findings medical reports. "))

--> Misinformation. In my circle not a single person is suffering from OCD and Bi-polar distress.
I haven't even heard of meditation side effects in case of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and Bi polar disorder patients.
Meditation is a legitimate and natural form of relaxing the mind and body. It is a discipline of focused breath and slowing thoughts down. That makes meditation for OCD and bi polar sufferers an appealing discipline to explore. While many are put off by anything categorized as alternative healing, it can be a helpful tool to achieve useful states of mind for those dealing with these disorders and anxiety. And if there is one thing a racing mind or anxious body can use is extra relaxation.
Have a look over these credible sources for further information:-

http://www.ehow.com/how_2228419_treat-obsessive-compulsive-disorder-meditation.html

http://chipur.com/2011/11/16/managing-bipolar-disorder-with-yoga-and-meditation/



(("(B) Similarly the impact of time spent on KAAR SEWA as also for SATSANG and other activities is affecting the job profile of SATSANGIS at large, that too by prescribing an early age of 25 years for NAAMDAAN instead of prescribing it beyond 60 years at least. "))

--> Seva are of three types. Physical( working some amount of time in satsang ghar), Financial(donating 10% income of yours in satsang or any other charity) and Mental( During mediation). You are free to do any one of these.
There is no hard and fast rule for NAAMDAAN to be specifically taken at 25 years of age. If a person is not comfortable, he can take it at any age he wants.



(("(C) Regarding donation to the extent of 10% of SATSANGIS income, there is need to give freedom for limiting their donations after considering the financial requirements of each family. There is also a need to give freedom to donate any ammount to the needy or downtrodden person if so identified by SATSANGIS themselves instead of mandatory donation to RSSB itself. "))

--> There is in fact freedom to do any one of three types of seva as i told you earlier. There is no provision of mandatory donation to RSSB. If you want to give it to any needy person/charity, it is also seva.



(("(D) Has RSSB found any negative impact on telecasting the RSSB SATSANG through any media or through DVD, since discontinued after having allowed downloading of SATSANGS of RSSB GURU CHARAN SINGH on YOUTUBE, more so when it is causing lot of expenses and discomforts to elderly or other poor SATSANGIS? "))

Youtube came in 2005. There is no way Maharaj Charan Singh could have allowed telecasting it on youtube. It is at the discretion of users only who have uploaded it on youtube and not RSSB. There was strict instruction from current master of not releasing this material on the internet and media to avoid conflicts with other faiths and stopping spreading of misinformation as is evident from your post.



(("(E) Further, lot of stress is being caused due to restriction on sex life of SATSANGIS by ignoring the requirements of their spouses after giving birth to a child as per their family plan or what so ever. As otherwise such restrictions are against scientific approach as also against social ethics as well as GOD’s creativity. This misgiving can also be overcome by enhancing the minimum age to 60 years for NAAMDAAN, when SATSANGIS may be free from all their social liabilities in an honest manner. Else SATSANGIS can join RSSB by deciding not to marry after having attained NAAMDAAN at any earlier age.))"

Only sex outside marriage is not allowed. All the rest that is spread on the internet is misinformation.



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On going through the openness of views expressed in the above box, one feels inclined to share one’s views on various points, to be shared through this forum.

a) Point 1, 2, 3 & 4 relating to Science & Spirituality:- In this regard it is brought out that point does not relate to spiritual enlightenment of either RSSB GURUS or that of sant Kabir or that of GURUNANAK but whether could such enlightenment be termed as Science of the Soul in absence of any scientific legitimacy? If so then such spirituality does require to be updated because every scientific research is subject to changes, more so when it has been agreed in principal that philosophy of salvation remains same ever. So for all purposes, such a philosophy should not have any misnomer of “Science of Soul”, more so because Science is the name of change and can't remain ssme for ever. A factual story about a scientist goes like this:- when Scientist "A" cried before other Scientist, "B", On asking Scientist"A" told that I am not crying because I succeeded to prove your (Newton) laws to be wrong. But I was crying because in the same manner some day my scientific invention is also to meet the same fate because Science is the name of change and development.So Soul of the Science should also be open to adopt changes, where ever required due to development in medical science at least. Say, incase of donation of organs, RSSB should preach for accepting and donating organs for the welfare of mankind.

b) Point 5 relating to reincarnation based on KARMA accounts:- In this regard a detailed analysis is available in RSSB book, “Life-is Fair” According to this book the murder of any human may be taken as carrying karma debt of , say 500 units, then killing of animal could be taken as 1 unit and similarly killing of plant could be taken as 1/500 units. But fact remains that killing plants also causes KARMA debts in such low ratio.

c) Regarding flu-shot, it is brought out that RSSB GURU has definitely opined to avoid taking anything containing egg or any contents of animal and in view of this philosophy, every SATSANGI does read label indicating its contents.Here are the views expressed on 09/12/2012, by One SATSANGI in reponse to a post dated 8th December, 2012:-

" i read in one of the beas book where sawan singh maharaj ji was giving answer to one of the satsangi that the medicines which are made up of non-veg should be avoided by the satsangi instead of getting confused in this matter you must figure out well about the matter."

But one could not avoid consuming medicines on the said philosophy as is the case for donating organs on or before death for the benefit of any suffering human being.

d) Regarding Point A about meditation by OCD or other patients:-On viewing various websites it has been clearly opined that OCD patients, Bi-polar disorder or other behavioral patients must not undertake meditation as has also been opined by doctors and therapists in such cases to suspend meditation till their recovery, more so because according to doctors meditation is a lifelong process without fixing any target for achievement in spirituality. As otherwise, it is a fact that meditation is an exercise also for stress management for normal persons. In this regard every yoga GURU does caution for some patients not to undertake various exercises.

e) Regarding Point B & C relating to freedom in KAAR SEWA, including other SATSANG activities as also for donations, if the required freedom is given and conveyed through RSSB GURU in any manner, it would be of much help to a lot of SATSANGIS who are fearful due to misgivings spread by various speakers at different SATSANG centers worldwide. This misgiving alone is cause of lot of tension in the families of RSSB SATSANGIS. In fact during my participations I have never heard such bindings from the present BABAJI, who is very open in his teachings. But in absence of recordings of his teachings in DVDs/CDs such misgivings are creating lot of problems for devotees.

f) Regarding point-D relating to teachings of live RSSB GURU through DVD/CDS, it is brought out that display of SATSANG of CHARANSINGH ji on YOUTUBE could be possible only because these teachings are available in DVDs/CDs. But in case of present GURU, his teachings are not available in DVDs/CDS, which is leaving a lot of scope to spread misgivings among devotees without any source of clarifications or confirmation. So everyone is free to spread anything and everything. Say in the instant case views expressed by anyone through this forum, can cause confusion in anyone’s mind in absence of final view attributed by RSSB GURU or his secretary.

g) Regarding point E relating to restriction on the sex life, it is quite clearly mentioned in the philosophy of RSSB available on various websites that SATSANGIS should not continue sex activities beyond their family plans. This teaching is not withstanding the sex requirements of a SATSANGI’s spouse and is causing lot of stress in the family life. Here again agreement or disagreement by any participant in this discussion forum is not final but only is individual view as has been agreed and opined in this case that there should not be any restriction to have sex with legitimate spouse. But again such views can't go in the brains of RSSB devotees unless conveyed through some spiritual authority, which in the instant case is none else than BABAJI

UMAR BHAR GHALIB YAHI BHOOL KARTA RAHA, DHOOL CHEHRE PAR THEE VOH AINAA SAAF KARTA RAHA!
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