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Assalam O Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi!

I invite only MUSLIM brothers and sisters to discuss the Topic/Issue of 'Second-Coming-Of-Jesus' according to QURAN- ONLY!

I appreciate your participation!

JazakAllah!

Thank you for your question.

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) foretold the second coming of Prophet Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) as one of the signs and preludes of the Hereafter.

Abu Hurayrah narrated: Allah’s Messenger said, “The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary [Jesus] descends among you as a just ruler. He will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the jizyah tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)” (Al-Bukhari and Muslim).

Breaking the cross refers to refuting the invented story of Jesus’s crucifixion and resurrection. Killing the pig means prohibiting its meat again, as in Islam and in the original Law of Moses. Jizyah is a tax paid by non-Muslims instead of the zakah (obligatory charity) paid by Muslims, in return for the equal rights, protection, and services they enjoy in a Muslim state. This ruling will be abolished, as all Christians will follow Jesus in his second coming and become Muslims.

However, his coming will be preceded by the appearance of the Antichrist (the Dajjal, the Imposter), who will come to intrigue people away from the truth of Islam, by showing what appears to be miraculous actions—by the will of Allah— that deceive only the naïve and unbelievers.

`Abdullah ibn `Amr reported that Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “The Dajjal would appear in my ummah and he would stay [in the world] for 40—I cannot say whether he meant 40 days, 40 months, or 40 years. And Allah would then send Jesus son of Mary, who would resemble `Urwa ibn Mas`ud. He (Jesus Christ) would chase him and kill him. Then people would live for seven years that there would be no rancor between two persons” (Muslim.)

It is narrated on the authority of `Abdullah ibn `Umar that one day the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal (the Dajjal) in the presence of people. He said, “Verily, Allah (hallowed be He and High) is not blind of one eye. Behold, but Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal is blind of the right eye as if his eye is like a swollen grape.” Also the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “I was shown in a dream in the night that near the Ka`bah there was a man fair-complexioned, fine among the white-complexioned men that you ever saw, his locks of hair were falling on his shoulders. He was a man whose hair were neither too curly nor too straight, and water trickled down from his head. He was placing his hands on the shoulders of two persons and amidst them was making a circuit around the Ka`bah. I said, ‘Who is he?’ They replied, ‘Al-Masih son of Mary’” (Muslim).

Apart from that, no other details are given as to how Jesus would look like, what language he would speak, nor any other marking features. His face will not be as that portrayed and consecrated by the Christians and their churches. This has been visualized, from imagination, several centuries after his departure.

However, true believers will first know the Antichrist by his deeds as narrated by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Similarly, Jesus will not be mistaken for anybody else, as he will declare himself as a prophet of Islam, coming to correct his message and to unite all the believers under the banner of Islam.

In Islam, the second coming of Christ is not only one of the peculiar signs of the Hereafter, but is a glorious conclusion of the history-long confrontation between tawheed (monotheism) of all genuine prophets on the one hand, and the multitude of polytheist deviations that infiltrated the teachings of Jesus after his departure, until it gradually engulfed almost all Christian creeds. These led to deifying Jesus, making him the son of God, and one part of a triune god, the same as in many other deviated or invented religions.

That this confrontation will be a major aspect of human history is stressed and amazingly expressed in the Qur’an. The Qur’an repeatedly exposes Christian distortions and warns those who advocate these invented deviations. Such a major history-long set of deviations that spread among considerable and influential segments of the world population, will naturally end toward the end of time with a decisive proclamation of truth. This proclamation will justly come through the same prophet who was misunderstood most, whose message was most sinfully tampered with, and whose personality was disfigured in such a way as to deceive generations of people and to corrupt the pure monotheistic belief he carried.

The second coming of Christ does not contradict with the fact that the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is the Seal of the Prophets, by whom the messages and guidance of Allah to humanity have been completed. The return of Jesus is not a new phase of divine messages of Allah, but a final reaffirmation and revival of the message of Islam, the eternal call of all prophets and messengers.

To Ummah

Thanks for participation in this topic

I will most certainly be joining you in soon. First I would like to know a few things which will help me understand your approach to the matter.

1- How important do you think for a Muslim is to believe in prophet Jesus a.a .Ascention and Descend ..to stay Muslim?

2- How much importance should a Muslim give to Hadith provided it is proven contradictory/offending to Quran?

3-How authentic do you think is the source we know as Hadith ,ESP. The one which is directly related to a Belief in Islam, unlike those AHadith which relates Ethics in Islam?

Silent

Ummah referred to the following Hadith:

Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill thepigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): -- 'And there is none Ofthe people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe inhim (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)

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I'll take it from here...

Analysis:

Abu Huraira based his claim on Ayat 4:159 of the Quran

Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): -- 'And there is none Ofthe people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe inhim (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them."

Let's have a look at the subject matter of some previous Ayaat of this Surah (Nisa).

4:157

َوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ

وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَـكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ لَفِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ مَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلاَّ اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًا


That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- (Y.Ali)

|وقولهم - null| انا - hours | قتلنا - we were killed | المسيح - null| عيسي - B¦ - §a¦l¦ you Jesus (a prophet for the Israelites who came with the Bible or the New Testament, the son of Mary, and grandson of Amran) (Greek origin) | ابن - build/construct | مريم - B¦ - ~¦Z}¦ you Mary (Jesus's mother and daughter to Amran, she is one of the righteous women) | رسول - a messenger/messenger/ messengers/use of word is (s/m/f/p) | الله - God| وما - null| قتلوه - they killed him | وما - null| صلبوه - null| ولكن - null| شبه - null| لهم - for them/to them | وان - although/even if | الذين - those| اختلفوا - null| فيه - mark/different colours/blemish/ fault/(one coloured) | لفي - to a thing/for a thing | شك - null| منه - null| ما - what| لهم - for them/to them | به - with him/with it | من - of| علم - all knower | الا - blessings | اتباع - following | الظن - the thought/the assumption/the supposition/the doubt/the suspicion | وما - null| قتلوه - they killed him | يقينا - null|

Subject Matter: (4:157)

1-"The CLAIM of the ENEMIES of JESUS a.s."

that..they have 'killed' the the son of Mary a Messenger of Allah.

and

2- "Allah's CLAIM about JESUS a.s. "

a-The enemies of Jesus could NOT kill him.

b-The enemies of Jesus could NOT crucify him.

The above TWO MAIN CLAIMS are very CLEAR.

Here comes the disputed situation..

3-Allah's CLAIM about the situation

It just APPEARED to them as IF THEY had killed or crucified Jesus .............(but they could not...)

Well as I far as I can say starting with the Tafseer of Ibne Kathir (Kaseer) which is available online..Muslims were forced to believe in a story of 'someone' replaced with Jesus and was killed or crucified instead of him.

This is what I have been hearing since my childhood..too very very interesting story, indeed..on behalf of A GOD who couldn't find any other solution but to replace a Human with another Human,to save one and kill other, unjustfully.

It seems Allah wanted to save his Messenger so'wickedly' (sorry nauzobillah)) that it should never be easy for a layman to understand what had happened. haha

What a Joke!

1-He wanted to show the 'believers' that he has 'saved' His Messanger
2-He wanted to keep 'unbeliever's in DOUBT that they have killed/crucified him.

What a PLAN!!!!!

Does God sometimes 'run out' of "common Sense"

WHo should be blamed for such a Chaos..People who couldn't know who was killed and who was saved...or the Great God Almighty!

Please Justify with un-veiled thinking.

I know there can be many other stories or conclusions about the DOUBTED SITUATIONS..but Who cares!

The problem with such plan is:

1- The believers would have been convincing the disbelievers like stupids..that our Jesus was not killed and the non-believer would have been satisfied once for ever that they had killed /crucified Jesus and hence proved him guilty and DISHONOURED /CURSED (MUL-OON)..forever...

unlike,

The stories of other prophets before him who were rescued form the dangerous situations...openly. Abrahim,Joseph, Jonah..alaihissalaam etc.

As previous Ayat gives us a clue why they wanted to do it..

وَبِكُفْرِهِمْ وَقَوْلِهِمْ عَلَى مَرْيَمَ بُهْتَانًا عَظِيمًا4:156


That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

|وبكفرهم - null| وقولهم - null| علي - are| مريم - B¦ - ~¦Z}¦ you Mary (Jesus's mother and daughter to Amran, she is one of the righteous women) | بهتانا - wrongfully/slanderfully/falsehood/ slander | عظيما - great

They rejected the Faith that Humble prophet was sent for only because they questioned his mother's Mary's piety.|

Now here comes another dilemma.

بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَكَانَ اللّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا 4:158
بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَكَانَ اللّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا

Yousuf Ali Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

|بل - but/no/rather/not only but (prep. changes from one meaning to another) | رفعه - null| الله - God| اليه - to him/to it | وكان - null| الله - God| عزيزا - glorious/mighty/powerful/ dignified/honoured/undefeatable/ all capable/of no equal/dear | حكيما - wise/judicious (ageeing and speaking the truth/philosophy/ justice/knowledge/patience) |
لیا، justice/knowledge/patience) |

RAFA :?

ILLULLAHE:?

I would like to discuss this with another example from Quran ...but not here..because I'm focusing on something different and do not want the distarction at the moment..

I will add the description later ..Inshallah..

for simplicity:

Let's consider the necessary points:

1-He was EXALTED (HIS HONOUR WAS SAVED..SOMEHOW

or

2- He was Bodily raised towards Allah. (SKY is not mentioned

BTW Allah does not 'reside' in what we call/know/see as SKY...

The choice is yours...as it doesn't affect what I have to say next.....but definitely we'll discuss it...

So I move on to the next Ayat in FOCUS 4:159 The very Ayat mentioned by Abu Hurairah r.u.

وَإِن مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ إِلاَّ لَيُؤْمِنَنَّ بِهِ قَبْلَ مَوْتِهِ وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ يَكُونُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيدًا

And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-

|وان - although/even if | من - of| اهل - B¦ - |¡D¦ you relations/you tribe/you people/you family | الكتاب - the book| الا - blessings | ليؤمنن - null| به - with him/with it | قبل - towards/facing/power | موته - its death/its lifelessness/his death/ his lifelessness | ويوم - null| القيامة - null| يكون - be/will be/is/to be/becomes/ become | عليهم - on them| شهيدا - null|

This Ayat will decides every thing.

Please look back the SUBJECT MATTER discussed in Ayat 4:157 again.

Remeber Allah has informed us about a diputed situation and He ,Himself is refuting the CLAIM of the disbelievers.

Now kndly read all the translations at the Arabic Wa in mim ahlil kitaabe illa layuminanna bihi..this BIHI could be HIM OR THIS/IT


Khalifa
Everyone among the people of the scripture was required to believe in him before his death. On the Day of Resurrection, he will be a witness against them.

Pickthall
There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them

Shakir
And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa) shall be a witness against them.

Sher Ali
And there is none among the People of the Book but will continue to believe in it before his death; and on the Day of Resurrection, he (Jesus) shall be a witness against them.

it's obvious that most translators preferred to use 'him' instead of 'it'. Shakir and Sher Ali preferred this/it..

Meaning..

"That all people of the Book will keep on believing nothing except this/it that they have killed or crucified Jesus, before theri deaths."

But,

Please Recall that the Dispute was NOT ABOUT BELIEVING IN JESUS
The dispute was ABOUT THE CLAIM THAT THEY HAD KILLED JESUS.

So the right translation of 'BIHI' must be THIS not HIM

(Even if Jesus a.s.was taken high up the sky. He won't be here until "JUDGEMENT DAY" and NOT BEFORE THAT DAY to have his so-called religious expiditions.)

Support: The inference is furthur supported by the fact discussed in the Ayat..that JESUS HIMSELF WILL WITNESS AGAINST THEIR CLAIM OF KILLING/CRUCIFYING HIM...when all the disbelievers who kept on beliveing in a WRONG CLAIM will be gathered ON THE JUGDMENT DAY.

Let's assume that Allah planned to send him down ..before Judgement day which is obviously NOT mentioned in the Ayat...still....only because Allah wants everyone to BELIEVE IN JESUS...and he comes and all people believe in him...then why would he be WITNESSING AGAINST THEM....?????????????

He will be WITNESSING AGAINST THEIR CLAIM...that THEY WERE WRONG IN THEIR CLAIM. AND ALLAH'S CLAIM WAS RIGHT...but only at the DAY OF JUDGMENT..not before it...this or that way...

CONCLUSION:

1-JESUS WAS NOT KILLED/NOR CRUCIFIED
2-JEWS AND CHRISTIANS (TOO) WILL KEEP ON BELIEVING THAT HE WAS KILLED/CRUCIFIED
3-ON THE JUDGMENT DAY JESUS WILL WITNESS AGAINST THEIR CLAIM.
4-ABU HURAIRAH HAD A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOUR.

Cross-Questioning:

1- WHY would Allah become so concerned about Jesus a.s. suddenly that He wants everyone to believe in him before their deaths when a majority of the dis-believers have already passed away ...peacefully without believing in him at all?????...just because of Allah's strange plan of saving the life of Jesus a.s. (What a Game!)

2- Why Allah wants people to believe in Jesus a.s. when a majority of people do not believe in his Final Messenger Muhammad s.a.w. and His Final Message Quran..to date?????????????????

3- Last but not the least who gave this right to Abu Hurairah r.a to connect his 'report' to an Ayat of Quran he himself couldn't understand?????????????????

4-BTW..No where in Quran we can find a single clue that Jesus a.s. will descend down from the sky before Judgment day.
If it has to be such an 'important' historical event then Quran must have reported it BOLDLY...without hesitations.

5-Why do we need him after 'THE GAME IS OVER'?

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I'll discuss it furthur...later..Jazakallah..

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To silent

The accepted faith of most of the Muslims is that Jesus(pbuh) is alive in the Heaven. According to them Jews wanted to kill him on the cross and Allah raised him alive in the Heaven.

If you are one of the Muslims who believe in the faith mentioned above, you need to read along the rest of the discussion.

May I ask you: 'do you have evidence from the Quran to support your conviction that Jesus(pbuh) is alive and that he was raised alive?' Most probably you don't have evidence. You simply relied on an accepted opinion of the majority Muslims. Quite a few of you will come up with evidence(s) and that makes the entire discussion so much interesting.

I am trying to show you plenty of evidences from the Quran to prove that Jesus(pbuh) is not alive -- he is dead and that he was not raised alive in the Heaven. Unfortunately this may sound so much like a Qadiani propaganda. However, it is not a Qadiani propaganda and the author of this text is not a Qadiani. It is true that it was the Qadianis who for the first time proclaimed that Jesus(pbuh) is not alive in the Heaven, rather he died a natural death. Because originally it was a Qadiani thought, believing in this judgment seems like you are believing everything that the Qadianis proclaim. Then you fall prey to the curse that you are no more a true Muslim! So you play safe and reject any and all opinions propounded by the Qadianis.

I will show you how it is possible for traditional Muslims like you and I to believe in his death yet not be a Qadiani or Ahmadiya. I urge the readers to have an open mind and read through the critique.

For ease of argument, before I unfold my points, I want to declare the following:
That I believe there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad(pbuh) is His Rasul.
That I believe Muhammad(pbuh) is the Last and the Final Nabi. No Nabi can come after him. Period.

In reaching my conclusion I laid down few cardinal rules to follow. Let me see if you can follow the same rules with me:
I believe in Total Quran – its entire message and teaching.
I believe no verse in the Quran contradicts each other and there is no abrogation of verse(s). My understanding of the Quran will not attempt to contradict its message and teaching.
I will not twist the meaning of verse(s) to reach a conclusion. Wherever possible, I will analyze and critique both schools of thoughts and show various possibilities of the subject.

E Muslims believe various matter mentioned in the Bible. We came to know of Adam, Jesus, Noah, Joseph, Moses and so many other prophets from the Bible. We believe in them because we find their reference in the Holy Quran. Believing in any of these prophets do not necessarily make us Christians. We came to know about creation of Adam from the Bible. We believe in it because we find similar reference in the Holy Quran also. Believing in creation of Adam did not make us Christian. Similarly, it may appear that only Qadianis believe that Jesus(pbuh) is dead. If we find proof of his death from the Holy Quran, we must believe it. Believing in Jesus'(pbuh) death would not make us Qadiani just as believing in creation of Adam did not make us Christian.

Another argument for not believing in death of Jesus(pbuh) is that most Muslims all over the world believe that he is alive in Heaven. Can they be wrong? Just because an opinion is widely accepted by the mass does not validate its authenticity. Billions of Christians believe Jesus is Son of God, so the concept must be correct, right? Wrong. Billions of Hindus and Buddhist believe in their respective religion to be correct, that does not make their religion correct or perfect. Again we know Hindus and Buddhist are wrong. Thus if a notion is upheld by popular opinion, such notion need not become absolute truth.

Muslims all over the world uphold the Christian faith that Jesus(pbuh) is alive. The whole foundation of the Christian faith is rested on this concept and most Muslims overtly support their viewpoint. Somehow the Christian concept has infiltrated in Muslim faith long ago and now it seems it is part and parcel of Islamic concept.

Muslims take the help of two sites from the Holy Quran to obtain support for their viewpoint. The verses are 3:54 from Surah Al-e Imran and 4:157-158 from Surah An-Nisa'. We will give you correct translation of the verses, word for word, so that you can get the point. It is a sad that many Muslims blame the correct translation to be false and cite incorrect translations as authentic. We will show you several examples of correct and incorrect translations so that any sensible person can find out the true picture.

Analysis of the verse 3:55 from Surah Ale Imran
In the verse 3:55 Allah says:

3:55 Behold! Allah Said: "O Jesus! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me and I shall clear you of those who reject Faith, and I will make those who follow you above those who reject Faith - until the day of Resurrection. Then towards Me is your return, so that I shall decide among you as to in which you used to dispute.

They key words here are : Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika wa rafi'uka ilaiya
Meaning: "O Jesus! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me….."

Interpretation of the word ‘wafat':

The key word here is "wafat" . The most correct meaning of "wafat" is death, or take away soul. If soul is taken away from a person, it is nothing but death. The problem arises with regards to this verse, when Muslims refuse to interpret the meaning of "wafat" as death. Irony is that all scholars who translated the Holy Quran do agree "wafat" means death. Each and every scholar translated the word "wafat" as death in at least 20 different instances in their translations. However, in this particular verse, they interpreted the meaning as ‘take away' and insinuate physical ascension. These translators did not hesitate to twist the actual meaning of the word of Allah to support Christian faith and to some extent weak Hadith narrated by Wahab bin Munnabba, Kab Akbar and one isolated Hadith by Abu Hurairaa.

While the Quran is the word of Allah, Hadith is word of a person. Hadith is not the words of Allah. A person can err, Allah can not err. That is why we often refer to some Hadith as Sahih Hadith - i.e. True Hadith. Because some Hadith may not be true. We don't say the same thing about the Quran that some of its verses are Sahih verse and some are doubtful! This fact itself indicates that a few Hadith are not absolutely correct. Hadith is the sayings of prophet Muhammad(pbuh), but the prophet himself did not write down the Hadith. Several generation after the death of the prophet, Hadith was compiled by scholars. In this process hundreds of Hadith were rejected as they appeared to be false. In the end when the scholars agreed that a particular Hadith is correct, it was compiled into a book.
Natural Death of Jesus(pbuh)
In spite of this we consider some Hadith to be true and some as weak. Some Muslims even say that for one correct Hadith there are thousands of false Hadith. This boils down to the fact that there are few Hadith that are not true. Fact remains that Hadith is a collection of words of a person, by persons. Please don't misunderstand, I am not saying reject all Hadith.

My contention is that the position of the Quran is superior to Hadith. Whenever a Hadith comes to contradict a Quranic verse, the Quran must prevail, not the Hadith. But to most Muslims, the argument is Hadith has to be correct no matter what, because so many scholars unanimously certified that those are Sahih or True!!! So to ratify a Hadith, let the Quran become wrong or let one verse of the Quran contradict another verse, who cares? Let Allah's word be confusing and contradictory, a Muslim is happy because to him Hadith is absolute!!! What a shame!

N the verse 3:55, two conditions are stipulated about Jesus(pbuh):

first,


Allah will cause his Death,

second,


he will be raised.

The second condition can not take place till the first condition is met. In other words, before Jesus(pbuh) can be raised, first, he must die. Let us see various translations of the same verse.

Correct translation : "O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me…"

Yusuf Ali : "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself…"
Pickthall : "O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me..."
Rashad Khalifa : "O Jesus! I am terminating your life, raising you to Me….."
Mohammad Sarwar : He told Jesus, "I will save you from your enemies, raise you to Myself..."
M. H. Shakir : "O Isa! I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me"
Al-Hilali & M. Khan "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself…."
Farooq-i-Azam Malik: "O Isa (Jesus)! I am going to recall you (from your mission) and raise you up to Myself...."
Ahmed Ali: "O Jesus! I will take you to Myself and exalt you….."

Critique: (****Most Correct, *** Fairly Correct. **Incorrect, *Grossly incorrect)

Yusuf Ali: "take thee" is not the appropriate meaning of "wafat". ‘Take thee' may mean death in a literal sense, but looks like Yusuf Ali avoided the debate whether it was death or physical rising. Thus he left the issue with plenty of conjecture. Elsewhere, wherever the word "wafat" was used in the Holy Quran, Yusuf Ali translated the word as "take soul" "die" or "death". But in this case he is in utter confusion. Rating ***

Pickthall: "Lo!" is an extra word interpolated in the Quran. "I am gathering" is way off the closest meaning of "wafat". Allah uses a future verb here, use of "I am" is grossly incorrect. Similarly, "causing" is a present verb and is wrong. By using "ascend" Pickthall is insinuating a physical rising rather than exalt in honor. Rating **

Rashad Khalifa: Use of present verb "I am" is wrong. Similarly, "terminating" and "rising" are present verbs and are wrong, however, use of terminating as meaning of death is more accurate than 'collect' or 'recall'. Rating ***

Mohammad Sarwar: He left out the word "O Jesus" in the translation. Here Allah addressed Jesus(pbuh) by name. To translate the word as Allah told Jesus is inappropriate. "Save you from the enemies" is extra word interpolated in the Quran! Sarwar totally omitted the word "warafiuka" in his translation, instead interpolated his own thoughts in the translation. Rating * or worse.

M.H. Shakir: "terminate the period of your stay (on earth)" is verbose. This could very well mean death, but when he added ‘on earth' in parenthesis, his intention is obvious. He is not referring to death. Rather, Shakir is clearly referring to Jesus'(pbuh) tenure on the earth is over and now he is spending the rest of his life in the outside of the earth. Rating **

Al-Hilali & M. Khan: Translation is identical to that of Yusuf Ali. "take you" is not the appropriate meaning of "wafat". ‘Take you' may mean death in a literary sense, but looks like Hilali & Khan avoided the debate whether it was death or physical rising. Thus he left the issue with plenty of conjecture. Elsewhere, wherever the word "wafat" was used in the Holy Quran, they translated the word as "die" or "death". Rating ***

Farooq Malik: Strong denial to use 'death' as the meaning - instead there is obvious suggestion that Jesus's mission is temporarily stopped, to be resumed in future! Far too many unwarranted words to justify his conditioned faith learned during childhood or in heresy. Use of 'recall from your mission' is nothing but clear suggestion that death did not occur. Rating *

Ahmed Ali: Utter confusion and awkward denial to use the word 'death'. Ali admits that Jesus will be exalted in status, but confused about what happened prior to exaltation. First Jesus will be taken to Allah and then exalted. Ali failed miserably in translating the sentence as presented by Allah. Rating *

From this analysis we can see how these scholars have changed the words of Allah according to their own will and to support what they learned during their childhood and now they are conditioned to think that way. Some have mistaken the correct use of verbs(Pickthall, Khalifa). Some have omitted key words and interpolated fabricated words (Pickthall, Sarwar, Malik) and passed it over as Allah's word! To derive a remote synonym for a word is one thing (Yusuf Ali, Shakir, Al-Hilali & M. Khan. Malik) but to fabricate additional words and omit key words are gross act of negligence and corruption.

The most correct meaning of the word "wafat" is death. Wherever in the Holy Quran the word "wafat" is used, all these translators derived the meaning as death, except in this verse 3:55, where they don't see "wafat" as death!!!! What is the problem here? Why are they contradicting the meaning of 'wafat'? What stops them from translating the words of Allah in its true context? They are seeing imaginary words only to support heresy they learned during their childhood.

Here are some of the verses in the Holy Quran where Allah used the word "wafat". The verses are 2:234, 2:240, 3:193, 4:15, 4:97, 6:61, 7:37, 7:126, 8:50, 10:46, 10:104, 12:101, 13:40, 16:28, 16:32, 16:70, 39:42, 40:67, 40:77, 47:27 etc. In each of the instances, all these scholars translated the word "wafat" as death, or a word very close to death but none of them used a word to mean take away in alive condition. Let us examine some of the verses and see how these translators derived the meaning of "wafat" in these instances.

Verse 3:193
Yusuf Ali: "…and take to Thyself our souls in the company of the righteous"
Pickthall: "…and make us die the death of the righteous."
Khalifa: "…..let us die as righteous believers"
Sarwar: "…let us die with the righteous ones."
Shakir: "….and make us die with the righteous."
Hilali & Khan: "……and make us die in the state of righteousness…."
Farooq Malik: "…And make us die with the righteous."
Ahmed Ali: "…And grant us (the glory of) death with the just."

Verse 4:15
Yusuf Ali: "…until death to claim them…."
Pickthall: "…until death take them…."
Khalifa: "…until they die,…"
Sarwar: "…until they die…"
Shakir: "….until death takes them away…"
Hilali & Khan: "…until death comes to them…"
Farooq Malik: "…until they die..."
Ahmed Ali: "…until death ..."

Verse 7:126
Yusuf Ali: "…and take our soul unto thee as Muslims!"
Pickthall: "…and make us die as men who have surrendered."
Khalifa: "…And let us die as submitters."
Sarwar: "…let us die Muslims (submitted to God)."
Shakir: "…and cause us to die in submission."
Hilali & Khan: "…And cause us to die as Muslims."
Farooq Malik: "…And cause us to die as Muslims."
Ahmed Ali: "….that we may die submitting (to You)."

Verse 10:46
Yusuf Ali: "…or We take thy soul…"
Pickthall: "…cause thee to die,…"
Khalifa: "…or terminate your life…."
Sarwar: "…or you die…"
Shakir: "….or cause you to die…."
Hilali & Khan: "…. - or We cause you to die,- ….
Farooq Malik: "…Or cause you to die…."
Ahmed Ali: "…or take you to Ourself,..."

Verse 12:101
Yusuf Ali: "…take Thou my soul (at death) as one submitting…"
Pickthall: "… Make me to die muslim (unto Thee), …"
Khalifa: "…Let me die as submitter…"
Sarwar: "…cause me to die as a Muslim…"
Shakir: "…make me die a Muslim…."
Hilali & Khan: "…cause me to die as a Muslim…"
Farooq Malik: "… make me die as a Muslim …"
Ahmed Ali: "…let me die submitting to You."

You many go ahead and verify the translations of all other verses. If you do so, you will start discovering an emerging corruption (pardon me) by all the scholars. They misguided you by not translating a word correctly. Given all these facts, may we conclude that Jesus(pbuh) must die first before he can be raised?

Some Muslims say that ‘wafat' here means death of Jesus(pbuh) after his descent from the Heavens in the later years. Good thing is that these Muslims do agree that 'wafat' means death! Please note, the verse here clearly denotes his relationship with his own people and not with any other people of the later days. The people of the later days would admittedly be followers of Muhammad(pbuh) and not of Jesus(pbuh). [Also see: Did Allah Say Jesus(pbuh) will Come Down?]

Nterpretation of the word "rafa" – to raise/to exalt:

In the same verse 3:55 use of two words "wafat" and "rafa" may have led you to a double jeopardy. On top of that you are under constant influence of Christian doctrine. As a result you simply believe that Jesus(pbuh) did not die and instead was raised alive in heaven. In doing so, you are actually believing the Christian faith and failing to see the true teaching of the Quran. Not only that, now you are making one verse of the Quran contradict another.

The meaning of the word is ‘to raise', ‘to exalt'. In order to validate the Christian faith, first, you refuse to see ‘wafat' as death, and then interpret ‘rafa' as physical ascension. When these two incorrect interpretations are combined, you find that Jesus(pbuh) was raised to the heaven.

Let us examine the use of the word ‘rafa' in the Quran. The word ‘rafa' occurred many times in the Quran conveying a meaning of spiritual honor and exaltation. Please note carefully what Allah says in the verse. He is saying that Jesus(pbuh) will be raised towards Him and not towards Heaven. So the question of Jesus(pbuh) being alive in the Heaven can not arise, because he was not raised in the Heaven. In the literal context even if we think that he was raised bodily near Allah, question comes, where is Allah? Is He ensconced somewhere in the sky, in Heaven or in a throne like a king? Didn't Allah say that He is omnipresent – in other words, He is present everywhere? Would you say that Allah is confined in a physical body towards which He raised Jesus(pbuh)? Please answer, how can Jesus(pbuh) be raised to sky or Heaven when Allah said he will be raised towards Him. And that Allah is present everywhere (2:115); Allah is nearer to man than his heart (8:24); Allah is nearer to man than his jugular vein (50:16).

If that be true, then Jesus(pbuh) could not have been raised physically and bodily in to the sky. If really he was needed to be raised bodily towards Allah, then he could very well stay in Jerusalem, yet be near Allah - because Allah is present everywhere and in Jerusalem too.

This drives home the true meaning of the word ‘rafa' – exalt in honor and/or exalt in spiritual dignity. This verse tells us that while the Jews were planning to kill him, (he will not be killed, rather) Allah will cause him to die a natural death and sanctify him against the charges of the enemies. Once again, please notice the sentence: Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika WA rafi'uka ilaiya… that is ‘rafa' will take place only after the ‘wafat'. ‘Rafa' after death can not mean physical ascension, but only exaltation in rank. This is more implied when the words ‘I shall clear you of those who reject Faith' are present with it. This shows that while Jews plotted heinous crime against him, and brought him utter disgrace and condemned him as a cheat and planned to put him to a shameful death on the cross etc. Allah will instead save him and exalt him in honor and dignity.

Since the use of the word 'rafa' raised Jesus(pbuh) alive, the use of the same word in case of other prophets must do the same thing! Ask yourself, if you know of any other prophet who was raised alive in the Heaven? None? What about Prophet Idris(pbuh)? Regarding Idris(pbuh) Allah says in Surah Maryam 19:57 as: And We raised him to an elevated state. (WA rafa'naa hu…). The use of ‘rafa' here should prompt you to declare that Allah raised Idris(pbuh) in alive condition in the Heaven or at least to a place hanging high above. If we apply the same logic, in case of Jesus(pbuh), use of the word 'rafa' kept him alive for 2000 years; therefore the same use of the word 'rafa' in case of Idris(pbuh) must keep him alive for 2000 years or so. The problem now is about these two alive people in the Heaven – Jesus(pbuh) and Idris(pbuh). The Muslims already made stories and speculations that Jesus(pbuh) will descend from the Heaven in the later days, but what about Idris(pbuh)? Has Idris(pbuh) come down already or when is he going to descend or is he going to stay there perpetually?

The word ‘rafa' was used in different places in the Quran to mean spiritual honor and exaltation. Let us see some of the examples:

Great Prophets like Muhammad(pbuh) are exalted.
43:32 …And We have raised some of them above others in rank. (…WA rafa' na…)
94:4 And We have exalted for you your mention (…WA rafa' NA…)

Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) has been exalted by Allah.
6:83 ….We exalt in degrees whom We please (…narfa'u darazaa…)

Prophet Idris(pbuh) has been exalted by Allah.
19:57 And We raised him to an elevated state. (WA rafa'naa hu…)

Righteous servants of Allah are raised in degrees.
6:165 …and He raises some of you above the others in degrees…. (…WA rafa' aa
ba'dakum…)
7:176 And had We wished We would invariably exalted him; …. (…rafa'naa hu….)
56:3 It will abase it will exalt (…rafi'aah…)

All good deeds are raised towards Allah.
35:10 …all pure speech and all good deed, --He exalts it…. (…yarfa'uhu. …)

House of pious Muslims are raised high by Allah.
24:36 in (certain) houses which Allah has permitted to be raised up… (…an turfa'a WA yuzkara…)

From this discussion we see that no where the use of ‘rafa' meant physical ascension. However, in 3:55 verse, you would interpret physical ascension just to validate the Christian faith. Whereas, if we honestly translate the word 'wafat' as death, then 'rafa' after death cannot mean physical ascension, rather exaltation in honor.

The tendency of Muslims is to destroy the teaching of the Quran only to validate the Christian dogma. Believe it or not, many Muslims approach the Quran like hypocrites – believe part of it and reject part of it. Muslims don't want to believe in the total Quran. When this is pointed out to you, your defensive answers are:

* all Muslims believe Jesus(pbuh) was raised alive, so I also believe it (I don't care what the Quran says);
* if I believe Jesus(pbuh) was not raised alive, then I become Qadiani, and I don't want to be a Qadiani;
* my forefathers believed Jesus(pbuh) was raised alive, were they wrong? I would rather follow my forefathers (instead of following the teaching of Quran).

I faced similar dilemma when I was approaching the truth. Eventually I was able to reconcile the verses of the Quran and not make one verse contradict another. I was able to come out of the influence of Christian faith in Islam and find out the true meanings. At this time I don't care what Qadianis say. My identity is Muslim, my religion is Islam and I believe what Allah and Rasul say.

My aim is not to blame you for believing in certain way. My aim is to show you that you have been kept in darkness, away from the truth. Unlike others, I am not jumping into conclusions by force, rather I am trying to show you the true picture, and leaving the decision to yourself. With this let us revisit two verses from Surah Ale Imran, 3:53-54.

3:54 And they made plotted and planned and Allah made His plans. And Allah is the most Excellent of the plan-makers.
3:55 Behold! Allah said: 'O Jesus! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me and I shall clear you of those who reject Faith, and I will make those who follow you above those who reject Faith - until the day of Resurrection. Then towards Me is your return, so that I shall decide among you as to in which you used to dispute.

In case of each prophets, Allah made plans against plots made by oppressors. This is the practice of Allah to protect His messengers at the time of aggression of enemies. Allah protected Musa, Ibrahim, Yusuf, Lut, Muhammad (pbu them) to name a few. In case of Jesus(pbuh) snatching him away from the enemies and lifting him alive in the Heaven can not be called a subtle and better plan of Allah when neither was it in the power of Jews nor in the power of anybody to counter it. In fact a better and subtle plan can be designed against another plan when it is contrived in a parallel manner.


Analysis of the verses 4:157-158 from Surah An-Nisa'

Verse 4:157-158 from Surah An-Nisa' are the other two verses often analyzed to prove that Jesus(pbuh) did not die. Let us examine to see if the contention is valid one or a corrupt analysis.
In the verse 4:157-158, Allah says:

4:157 And (because of) their saying: "Surely we have killed the Christ - Jesus, son of Mary" the Mesenger of Allah, and they could not murder him, nor could they kill him by crucifixion, but he was made to resemble to them. And verily those who differ regarding him are certainly in a doubt about him. They have no knowledge about it but are merely following a guess; and they could not kill him for certain;
4:158 Rather, Allah exalted him towards Himself. And Allah is Exalted in Power, most Wise.

…WA ma qataluhu yaqinan (157). Bal rafa'ahu-llahu ilaihi …..(158)

The Jews always claimed that they killed the Masih, the son of Maryam. Allah is telling Muhammad(pbuh) that although they claimed that they killed the Masih, in reality they could not murder him nor could they kill him by crucifixion. Then again, in the very same verse, Allah is telling that they could not kill him for certain.

Two types of death are being discussed here (a) a general murder (b) killing by crucifixion. The Jews wanted to cause either of the two types of death to Jesus(pbuh). Allah assures us that they failed to cause either type of death to him. The traditional Muslim faith is that since Jesus(pbuh) was not murdered or killed by crucifixion, only possibility is that he is alive somewhere!!! Muslims totally ignore the fact that Jesus(pbuh) could have died a natural death later on! If Jesus(pbuh) died a natural death, it is still valid that the Jews could not (a) murder him or (b) kill him by crucifixion.

Crucify vs. Kill by Crucifixion:

Your strongest argument is that this verse clearly tells "…. They could not murder him nor could they crucify him….". I have checked the translation of the word "swalabu" by Yusuf Ali, Pickthall, Hilali & Khan, Rodwell, Sarwar, Khalifa and Shakir. They all translated the word as "crucify" and not "kill by crucifixion." I would not say they are wrong. To understand the word 'crucify' you will have to apply your analytical mind.

The very intent of putting a person on the cross was to kill him as an evil or a wretched person. On few occasion if a person did not die on the cross, the Jews used to break his legs and hands and leave him to die. Jews would make sure that if a person was doomed for cross that person must die. Jews would not put a person on the cross and later let him walk away. So the meaning of crucifixion has an inherent sense of causing death thereby. Webster dictionary defines the word "crucify" as "to put to death by nailing or binding the hands and feet in a cross." In case of Jesus(pbuh) if the scholars translate the word as "crucify" they are not wrong. But if we interpret the meaning that he was never ever hanged on the cross, then we are missing the entire message. If we further say that Jehova or someone else was hanged in his place, then we are really messing up everything and failing to see the true message of the Quran.

Please look carefully at the verse. The question of "killing" is the issue. In response to the claim by the Jews that they killed Jesus(pbuh), Allah's reply is that (1) he was not killed or murdered in the normal fashion (2) he was not killed by crucifixion. This negates the possibility of Jews killing Jesus(pbuh) in any manner whatsoever, supported by the very last sentence of the same verse: "they could not kill him for certain."

Invention of a story:
Although every attempt was done to prove that Jesus(pbuh) evaded death and was raised alive, because of verse 3:55, the Muslims could not prove conclusively that Jesus(pbuh) was raised alive. So they took the refuge of verses 4:157-158 to justify the belief. In order to substantiate the belief, now they invented a rambling story that has no support from the Quran. However, let us analyze the story.

According to the story, on the eve of actual crucifixion, a different person's features became exactly like Jesus(pbuh). The Jews mistook the other person (Jehova?) as actual Jesus(pbuh) and hanged the wrong person on the cross. We don't want to go into the debate of how absurd it is for person's features to get changed. Let us give the benefit of doubt by saying that the other person's features did not change but to the Jews it appeared so. They mistook the other person to be actual Jesus(pbuh).

Regardless of whether this story is true or false, regardless of whether Jesus(pbuh) was hanged on cross or not, fact remains that he could not have been raised before his DEATH, as testified by verse 3:55. If he was raised alive, then the verses 4:157-158 and 3:55 are in contradiction. The Muslim scholars will never want you find out that their preaching are contradictory and that they cannot conclusively reconcile these and several other verses.

Let me show you an extreme case of corruption. This translation is of verse 4:157, done by Hilali & Khan and published by the Saudi Government. They have placed Arabic text by the side of the English translation. Any naïve reader would think that the translation is representing the actual Arabic wordings. A naïve reader may further think that the combination of Hilali &Khan and Saudi Government must have produced correct teaching. On the contrary, it is incorrect and corrupt. You will be surprised to see the extent of manipulation. Let us examine:

4:157 Hilali & Khan :"And because of their saying (in boast) "We killed Messiah Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," -but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of Isa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)….

If we leave aside the stories and concentrate on understanding the verse we will see a different perspective. In the verse 4:157 please notice carefully, WA lakin subbiha lahum means "He was made to resemble to them" or "it was made to resemble to them" or "a likeness of that was made for them" or "a similitude was made for them" -- not "someone was made to resemble him". In the sentences, "it" or "that" refers to the incident and not a person. So Jehova resembling Jesus(pbuh) can not arise. It was Jesus(pbuh) who was made to "resemble" to them. Resemble to the very issue in question here: likeness or similitude of death. The issue is not Jesus(pbuh) resembling a different person or a different person resembling Jesus(pbuh). Jesus(pbuh) was set up on the cross and he was made (by Allah) to resemble to them (as if he really died) by sending him to a comatose or fainted state.

The Jews took a fainted or comatose Jesus(pbuh) as dead. "Verily those who differ regarding him are certainly in a doubt about him." The word "differ" here refers to the those people who, at that time and later on refuse the clarification given by Allah that "…. They could not murder him nor could they crucify him….". It is also possible that they would differ with their original contention that "Surely we have killed the Christ - Jesus son of Mary". Question remains, why should there be confusion if they really, positively and absolutely killed Jesus(pbuh) by crucifixion? Remains of his body should have been somewhere in Jerusalem to prove their contention. However, based on the clarification given by Allah, based on the fact that he lived till he had gray hairs (3:46, 5:40 - discussed next), based on various happenings after the incidence of crucifixion and in absence of any proof of his tomb in Jerusalem, they were in doubt whether these people really killed Jesus(pbuh) or not. This confusion among "those" people came up because after the incidence of crucifixion, they may have heard about Jesus(pbuh) talking, walking and mixing with his disciples (openly or secretly).

If they really killed Jehova taking him to be Jesus(pbuh), then his mortal remains or tomb should have been somewhere in Jerusalem. This tomb should have come to be recognized as the tomb of Jesus(pbuh). In reality there is no tomb in Jerusalem that was ever identified or can be identified (correctly or otherwise) as the tomb of Jesus(pbuh).

In Summary: The confusion arises because Allah said "…they did not crucify him.." What is important to understand is the word means ‘to kill by crucifixion'. The reason Jews put a person on the cross is to kill him according to their custom. They would not put a person on the cross and later let him go away. So, the word "crucify" has an inherent meaning of killing by crucifixion. Killing by crucifixion was their intent, and with this intent they did put him on the cross, however, they failed to kill him.

Please read an interesting site about substitution theory: Was Jesus Substituted on the Cross?

Many Muslims say verse 4:159 indicates Jesus(pbuh) will come back. If you think so, please read an interpretation of the verse 4:159: Interpretation of Verse 4:159. If you think surah Zukhruf verse 43:61 says Jesus will come back please read Jesus Sign of Hour.

What Happened to Jesus(pbuh) After
The Incidence of Crucifixion?

Evidences from the Bible and other authentic history tells us that Jesus(pbuh) was tried on the cross when he was 32 years old. For the sake of debate, if Allah did not raise him alive and if he did not die on the cross, what happened to him thereafter? Are there any evidence from the Quran? Trust me, there are evidences.

In Surah Ale Imran, Allah says:

3:46 And he will speak to the people in the cradle and then of gray-haired age and (he will be) one of the righteous
5:110 ... you speak to the people in the cradle and in old age.....
23:50 ... We sheltered them in a high ground having meadows and springs.



Various commentators of the Quran do agree about the use of words 'gray-haired age' and 'old age'. However, they contend that old age refers to the time when he will descend from the sky. As we can see from this discussion, Jesus(pbuh) was not raised alive in the Heaven and he is dead. This gray hair age must have happened while he was still living during his time, some 2000 years ago. Then Allah also tells us that Jesus(pbuh) was later on sheltered in a place full of meadows and springs. These verses supports other verses and we can further ascertain that Jesus(pbuh) survived the incidence of crucifixion and lived up to old age.

Is Jesus(pbuh) Alive?

All traditional Muslims join the Christians and declare that Jesus(pbuh) is alive in Heaven. Muslims say that Allah raised Jesus alive and placed him beside Himself. If that is true, then today, his age is nearly 2,000 years!!! How is it possible for a man to live that long ? A Muslim will say, why not, if Allah wishes, He can do anything. No doubt about it, yes, Allah is the Almighty, and He has the capability to do anything. But the question is will Allah do this? Will Allah break the rule of nature? Will Allah break the same rule that He has set forth? Let us investigate this issue here:
67:3 Who has created the seven heavens in harmony. You can not see in the creation of the Rahman any inconsistency. Then turn again the gaze. Do you see any crack?
67:4 And then turn again the search once more, the eyesight will return to you defeated, while it is fatigued.

There are several other verses where Allah says there is no change in the course of Allah, that there is uniformity in the law of nature.

17:77 … And you will not find any change in Our course.
30:30 … there is no altering in the creation of Allah
33:62 … and you will not find any alteration in the course of Allah.
35:43 … But you will never find any change in the course of Allah and you will never find any shifting in the course of Allah.
48:23 the law of Allah which has been in operation from before, and you will never find any change in the course of Allah.

Which law of Allah has been in operation since before? Is it just the law of earth moving around the sun and movement of the planets and nothing more? What would you say about the law of birth, senescence and death? Don't you agree that even birth and death are laws of Allah? That flower bloom, wind blows, day and night happen, sunrise and sunset—everything is in accordance to the law of Allah. Then Allah testifies you will never find any change in the course of Allah. Had there been a change, don't you think Allah would have specifically told us so?

If Jesus(pbuh) is alive in the Heaven, his age today is more than 2000 years!! How can he live that long defying rules and laws set forth by Allah? Are we not making words of Allah contradict when we say in case of Jesus(pbuh) Allah changed his law and made him live that long? This brings us to the next question: can a person live that long? Let us see what Allah has to say about it.

16:70 And Allah creates you, then He causes you to die; and among you someone is caused to return to the worst of the age, resulting in his not knowing anything after knowledge. Allah is truly all Knowing, most Capable.
22:5 … And of you is one who is caused to die, and among you is one who is turned back to the worst part of life until he does not know anything after having
known...
36:68 And whomsoever We lengthen life, We reverse him in constitution

These verses tell us that whoever lives too long, Allah returns them as crippled and not knowing anything after knowledge. This is more like a cycle of life. Birth --> Infancy --> Childhood --> Adulthood --> Old age. At very old age, a person reverts to a state much like infancy, depending on assistance for almost every daily routine: eating, bath, walking, toilet etc. As if Allah reverts the person in constitution (36:68) and makes him another infant. Like an infant, at this time he does not remember things and has no knowledge of events around him.

In this context, if Jesus(pbuh) is allowed to live that long, by now he is so crippled and in the worst part of life that there is no use of him to come back and do anything for Islam. In fact he cannot do anything worthwhile at that age.

Thus you can see, when a Muslim denies the death of Jesus(pbuh) he is putting so many verses of the Quran to contradict each other. Most Muslims don't realize that they are putting one verse to contradict another. When it is pointed out to them, they get so alarmed that now they try desperately to justify themselves. They successfully justify themselves, however, in the process first they invent several ridiculous stories, then they mutilate the translation to gain support for these stories and then they approach the Quran like hypocrites – believe part of it and reject part of it. They interpolate new words in translation as if these were Allah's words and refrain from correctly translating a particular word. The Quran cannot support the stories they invent. Rather these rambling stories contradict the Quran again and again. It is sad that Muslims don't want to believe in the total Quran.

Proof of Death of Jesus(pbuh)

There are several convincing proofs in the Quran regarding death of all living being and particularly all Rasuls. Most Muslim don't like to pay attention to this for various reasons, mainly due to fear of being caught in double jeopardy regarding Jesus(pbuh) death. If one does not believe in these verses and teachings, then he is in a way rejecting part of the scripture and believing in those parts that suits him. Like a hypocrite.

Let us begin with the verse from Surah Ma'idah where Allah says as under:
5:75 The Messiah, son of Maryam, was none but a Rasul, surely the Rasuls have passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman and they both used to take food…

Among other things, this verse tells two things:

(1) Jesus(pbuh) was only a Rasul,
(2) Rasuls before him have passed away.

Based on this, we can interpret that since all Rasuls before Jesus(pbuh) passed away, he too will pass away. Both you and I agree to this, but the question is when he will pass away? I say he passed away after spending his normal life, you say that he is alive and eventually he will pass away when he will come back on the earth, revive Islam and so on. It is important to understand the meaning of the words ‘passed away'. If you think ‘passed away' do not mean ‘death', then there must be other prophets who are alive. You must specifically tell us which other prophet(s) before Jesus(pbuh) did not die and living at that time. Since we know that all prophets before Jesus(pbuh) are dead, the use of words ‘passed away' clearly means death.

If the above verse is not all convincing to you, let us explore another verse from Surah Ale Imran. In the battle of Uhud, prophet Muhammad(pbuh), leading the Muslim army, fell down injured. A rumor spread that Prophet has been killed. The Muslims were in despair and brokenhearted. At that moment, in order to instill confidence and boost morale of the Muslim army, a revelation came saying:
3:144 Muhammad is no more than a Rasul, surely the Rasuls before him have already passed away. If then he dies or be killed, will you turn upon your heels?…

Among other things, this verse tells two things:
(1) Muhammad(pbuh) was only a Rasul,
(2) Rasuls before him have passed away.
In the verse 5:75, we know that all Rasuls before Jesus(pbuh) died, but right now based on this verse alone we are not sure about him. Then in verse 3:144, we further come to know that all Rasuls before Muhammad(pbuh) passed away. We already concluded ‘passed away' in the verse 5:75 meant ‘death'. In this verse, the meaning of 'passed away' is very clearly given by Allah as (a) he dies, (b) be killed. So by 'passing away' Allah meant death and killing and nothing else. Thus we can conclude that the use of the same word in verse 3:144 can not mean anything different other than death. If Jesus(pbuh) was an exception and did not pass away, Allah surely would have mentioned it. It is not a small exception by any means.

These two verses are so convincing and unambiguous that there should not be any doubt about his death! But alas! Muslim people have tremendous hesitation in accepting the words of Allah! The verse conclusively proves that Jesus(pbuh) who arrived more than 600 years earlier to Muhammad(pbuh) has definitely passed away.

Remember, if you don't believe the teaching of the verses, you are not believing the total Quran. When the verse 3:144 was revealed, if the Muslims had any knowledge that Jesus(pbuh) was still alive, they would have raised a question.

Much later, when Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) actually died, it was hard for Muslims to accept the sad news. Thinking that it was conspiracy of the rumormongers, Hazrat Umar (r) drew his sword and declared that whosoever would say that Muhammad(pbuh) was dead, he will behead him. At this critical situation, Hazrat Abu Bakar arrived, seeing the critical situation, he went into the hut of the Prophet and ascertained the truth. Then he came out and recited the same verse from Surah Ale Imran 3:144 and further declared that whosoever wants to worship Muhammad, let him know that he is dead, and whosoever wants to worship Allah, let him know that Allah is all abiding.

This incidence conclusively proves that all the companions of the Prophet and Caliphs knew that all Rasuls before Muhammad(pbuh) had died. If the companions believed that Jesus(pbuh) was still alive, then at least someone would have raised a point here.

If this is not enough, let us explore more verses. From verse 5:75 above, we already know that "the Messiah, son of Maryam was none but a Rasul…". Let us see what Allah tells about Rasuls in general.

In Surah Al-Anbiya' verse 21:7-8, Allah declares:
21:7 We did not send before you (O Muhammad(pbuh)) any but man to whom We sent revelations; therefore you ask the followers of the Reminder if you do not know
21:8 And We did not give them bodies not taking food and neither are they abiding

Among other things, the important findings from these verses are:
(1) All Rasuls were human beings
(2) Their mortal bodies sustained on food
(3) They are all dead

The Quran categorically tells that all prophets were human being, they were not superhuman or god. Because they were human beings, whatever is natural to a human being has to apply to them as well. All human being eat food for sustenance, so also all Rasuls were dependent on food for sustenance of their physical bodies.
25:20 And We did not send before you any the Rasuls, but they surely ate food and walked through the street.

Whatever applies to human being has to apply to Rasuls also. Emphasis on such mundane thing like eating food and walking on street suggest that there is nothing extraordinary in their lives. They are just like any other human being. This is true about their life and death. Once again, I must reiterate that if you don't believe in the death of Jesus(pbuh) you are putting all these verses to contradict each other. Not only that, you are believing only part of the Quran that suits you and rejecting other part that does not fit your notions and Christian dogma.


Yet Another Proof

There is one verse in the Quran where Jesus(pbuh) summarizes his relationship with his people.

The verse is from Surah Ma'idah 5:116-117.

5:116 And behold! Allah will say: ‘O Isa, son of Maryam was it you who said to the people (-- the Christians, especially the Roman Catholic) "Take me and my mother for two deities besides Allah?" He will say: "Glory to be to You! It is not fit for me to say what is not right for me (to utter). If I had said that, You would then have known it indeed. You know what is in my mind, while I do not know what is in Your mind. Surely you are the great Knower of hidden matter
5:117 "I did not say to them anything except about what You had ordered me, namely, "serve Allah, my Rabb and your Rabb" and I was witness over them so long as I was with them, but when you caused me to die (wafat), You were Watcher over them. And You are a Witness over all things

This is another definite evidence of death of Jesus(pbuh). On the Day of Judgment Allah will question Jesus(pbuh) whether he taught his people to take him as a god. Jesus(pbuh) will reply that he did not teach so, and he bears witness that during his lifetime his people did not take him and his mother as gods besides Allah, but he does not know what they did after his death.

We all know that Christians do regard Jesus as Son of God and Mary as a goddess. If Jesus(pbuh) is alive, this should not have happened. How to reconcile this verse? According to the verse, the Christians were supposed to take Jesus and his mother as deities only after his death (wafat)!! And his death is yet to happen!!!! The answer is if this has to happen, then according to the verse Jesus(pbuh) must have died. It is only after his death people accepted him and his mother as god and goddess.

The key word here is ‘wafat' - death. Falamma tawaffai tani - that is, ‘but when you caused me to die.' Those who don't want to believe in the message, translate it saying that ‘when you took me away' thereby suggesting that when he was raised alive. Thus when Jesus(pbuh) was not with them physically, they started accepting him and his mother as god and goddess.

This is yet another instance where the meaning of ‘wafat' is not taken in its true context. We already discussed above that the scholars and translators of the Quran interpreted the meaning of the word ‘wafat' as death but in one or two instances they twist the meaning and suggest physical ascension. [See: Interpretation of the word 'wafat'.]

Did Allah Say Jesus(pbuh) Will Come Down?

Based on two different verses you believe Jesus(pbuh) was raised bodily in Heaven. If that is so, he has to come down one day. At least you believe he will come down one day. Please show me just one verse where Allah said He will send him back. The verse should be at least as clear and precise as the those where Allah said Jesus(pbuh) will be raised. If you find one, please e-mail me back. If you think verse 4:159 is THE verse about his Second Coming, please read the following sites by the same author: Interpretation of Verse 4:159 and Jesus Sign of Hour.

There is absolutely no verse in the entire Quran where directly or indirectly Allah said anything about Jesus(pbuh) coming back later days. Since Allah did not say anything about Jesus(pbuh) coming back, where and how did you come up with the story?

Your contention is that Allah specifically said Jesus(pbuh) was raised alive in the Heaven! My argument is in that case Allah must specifically tell us when and where Jesus(pbuh) will come down. Allah can not just leave the matter unanswered. It is a serious matter. Allah can not leave such an important and serious matter to be answered outside of the Quran by a Hadith or Christian commentary or an Islamic Fatwa.

Brothers and sisters of Islam, please note here that in the Quran Allah has spent plenty of time and space to narrate about Jesus(pbuh), his birth, his mother Maryam, his childhood, his bringing up, his death and so on. In case of few other prophets Allah has given so much details. And then do you think Allah just forgot to mention about his coming back, especially keeping him alive for more than 2000 years?


Are you Contradicting?

Briefly speaking, let us find out who is contradicting. If you say Jesus(pbuh) did not die, then you must admit the Quran is full of contradiction. Whereas Allah clearly told us there is no discrepancy between different verses:

4:82 Do they not then ponder over Quran? And had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein a much discrepancy.
86:13-14 Verily this (- the Qur-an) is a conclusive discourse, and it is not a thing of joke.

All Rasuls before Muhammad(pbuh) passed away (3:144) This is a serious contradiction
Meaning of the word ‘wafat' is death in more than 20 different verses in the Quran Use of the word ‘wafat' in 3:55 and 5:117 are serious exceptions and contradictory.
Christians would regard Jesus(pbuh) and his mother as God ONLY after his death (wafat) (5:116) The verse is contradictory since the Christians have been considering Jesus(pbuh) and his mother as god for a long time.
Laws of Allah has been in operation from before (48:23) He has defied the law and put the verse in contradiction
You will not find any alteration in the course of Allah (33:62) This is a serious alteration in the course of Allah. A man is alive for over 2000 years. The verse is contradictory.
Several verses say there is no inconsistency in the law of nature and law of Allah (67:3-4; 17:77; 30:30; 33:62; 35:43; 48:23) All these verses are in serious contradiction - for no man can live that long!!
Allah will first cause Jesus'(pbuh) death and then raise him (3:55) How did he get raised before his death? This is a serious contradiction.
Whomsoever Allah grants long life - He reverts them to worst age and the person forgets all the knowledge (16:70) By now Jesus(pbuh) has no knowledge of anything at all. How can he come back and do any good for Islam?
All Rasuls before Muhammad(pbuh) are no more abiding - or alive (21:8) This verse is in serious contradiction.
Mortal bodies of all Rasuls sustained on food (21:8). Somebody must tell who is providing food for Jesus(pbuh)
Whomsoever Allah grants long life, He reverts them in constitution (36:68) Jesus(pbuh) must have been reverted in constitution - he is fragile, crippled - dependent on others like an infant.
There is no inconsistency in the creation of Allah. The more we search for inconsistency, the more the eye will come back fatigued, but we won't find any inconsistency (67:3-4) This itself is the biggest inconsistency in the creation of Allah. A man is living for 2000 years!! The eyes are not fatigued yet, but we seem to have found utter incoherence in Allah's words!!!
It is up to you to summarily reject the arguments because it appears like a Qadiani or Ahmadiya debate. Once again I am reminding you, you don't have to become a Qadiani or Ahmadiya to believe in the total Quran. In order to reject the Qadianis or Ahmadiyas, you are trying to burn your own house. For one brief moment, can you leave the Qadianis alone and think over the whole message. How come the way you understand the Quran cannot justify two verses, how come they way you understand the Quran is full of contradiction, how come the Quran is full of so many mismatch?

He Great Dilemma

I know in spite of all the discussion, it is extremely difficult for you to come out and accept the truth. Deep inside something is prohibiting you from accepting the logical discussion. Many of you will say all these are wrong interpretation. Your mind will prompt you to say these are falsification of the teaching of the Quran. Please read again and tell me which part is false, where did I misguide you, where is the forgery. There is no forgery.


Please think about it: If you do not believe that Jesus(pbuh) is dead, then you must come up with concrete evidences from the Quran and only from the Quran. You must conclusively reconcile all the verses that I mentioned in my discussion. Please don't say such and such scholar told that he is alive!!!! Please don't say such and such book clearly tells that he is alive!!!! Please don't say such and such Fatwa testifies that Jesus(pbuh) is alive!!!! To validate the words of these scholars, are you going to shatter the words of Allah? Please don't give greater value to a man-made book over that of divine scripture.

Please have courage to accept the truth. It has nothing to do with Qadianism. You are not converting in to Qadiani faith. This is not a Qadiani propaganda.

Last of all, what about the prophecy that Jesus(pbuh) will come back to the earth in the later days and revive Islam? After the above discussion, we can conclude that a dead person can not come back no matter what. This is against the principle of Islam. The Original Jesus(pbuh) - the prophet can not and will not come back in the later days. Period. However, in fulfillment of various prophecies, it is possible for another person to come Jesus's spirit and do something for Islam. This is outside the scope of current debate.

Conflicting Hadith:


Many readers responded back with several Hadith narrating Jesus(pbuh) will come back and do something. The readers are unable to discard those Hadith or justify their validity.
If we take the literal meaning then these Hadith fails to satisfy the common sense. However, most of these Hadith may be interpreted in allegorical sense and not in their literal sense.

A few absurdities are: Jesus will fight with a sword (in 21st century or later! Come on, give me a break.); Jesus will land on the Minaret (why not on the ground); Jesus will kill a swine and break a cross (what purpose will it serve, or does it mean one swine and one cross is standing in the way of Islam? Or will he kill all the swine in the world and break all the crosses, a formidable job indeed.); Jesus will end the jijya (where is jijya practiced today, is it in Syria? Then why not stop it before his advent, so that his mission will be easier. Does it mean he will confine his mission only to Syria? What about the fiscal policies of the rest of the countries, will he interfere with them?).

The Dajjal is viewed by many as an individual. Jesus is supposed to kill the Dajjal. The attributes of Dajjal-the individual fail to satisfy any reasoning. Quran is not very clear about Dajjal (Gog and Magog). Dajjal will be faster than cloud, he will command barren land to grow vegetables, on his command milch animals will produce abundant milk, he will occupy most peoples house, he will command the sky and rain would fall, his followers will live in abundance etc. statements are probably NOT referring to an individual, rather a government, a superpower or may be a system. It could very well be America. Please recollect all the attributes of Dajjal and see if you can find likeness with what is happening in America and what the government practices there. Many scholars indicated similar notion. They think Dajjal would not be a singular individual, rather a superpower government or country. I leave this debate up to you.

The purpose of the website is not to discuss the Dajjal rather drive home this point that Jesus(pbuh) is dead.

Jazakumullahu Khayran

IMMEDIATE RESPONSE:

ASSALAM O ALAIKUM WA RAHMATULLAH:

YOU BOTH GOT ME WRONG. OBVIOUSLY. WITHOUT GIVING A SECOND THOUGHT TO YOURSELF.BECAUSE YOU NEVER CARED TO READ MY OTHER POSTS WHICH CAN REFLECT MY MIND .YOU SHOULD READ THEM.

I DO NOT BELONG TO ANY SECT OR PROMOTING ANY SECT.

I'M TRYING TO PROVE THAT JESUS ALIHISALAAM WILL NEVER COME BACK AS HE WAS NEVER RAISED TO SKY.

"SO ALL HADITH REPORTING ABOUT JESUS SECOND COMING ARE WRONG."

HOW DO YOU THINK I'M SUPPORTING THE IDEAS OF AHMADIYYAH WHEN I'M 'NOT' SUPPORTING ANY HADITH AT ALL WHICH IS OFFENDING QURAN.

IF JESUS A.S. CAN'T COME..NO ONE CAN COME BACK IN 'HIS NAME'.

IT'S THE MATTER OF COMMON SENSE BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

POINT TWO: WHEN I AM PROVING THAT THE CONCEPT OF SECOND COMING IS WRONG OR OFFENSEIVE TO QURAN THEN DEFINITELY I BELIEVE IN THE NATURAL DEATH OF PROPHET JESUS A.S.

I LEFT ALONE SOME PHRASES ON PURPOSE..KEEPING THIS IN MIND THAT PEOPLE WHO THINK HE WAS RAISED UP THE SKY..WILL GET STUCK AT 'RAFA'..IT WAS TO SAVE MY TIME AND MAKE MY POINT CLEAR , ONLY.

IF YOU READ WHAT I WROTE FOR MV(MIKE) IN 'ONLY RELIGION' RECENTLY THEN YOU'LL BE UNDERSTANDING WHAT I'M SAYING.(READ THE LONG POST...ESP.)

I WAS EXPECTING IT....DON'T WORRY.

THANKS NAVEED FOR SHOWING UP..I APPRECIATE IT
THANKS UMMAH FOR HELPING ME...PROVING THE DEATH OF JESUS A.S.

LET'S TAKE IT FROM HERE NOW....

FOR THOSE :

1- MUSLIMS WHO ARE STILL WAITING FOR JESUS A.S.(SUNNIS)

OR

FOR THOSE WHO SAYS AN 'INCARNATED JESUS' IS HERE AND HAS CREATED ANOTHER SECT (AHMEDIS) JUST BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORY.

2- FOR THOSE CHRISTIANS WHO STARTED CONVINCING ME AGAIN ABOUT JESUS'S DEATH ON CROSS AND HIS SECOND COMING ACCORDING TO NEW-TESTAMENT AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN DEFEATED UNDER THE ONLY RELIGION TOPIC...ONLY BECAUSE JESUS-SECOND-COMING IS A POPULAR BELIEF IN MUSLIMS TOO.(YET..NOT AN ARTICLE OF FAITH)

3- THOSE CHRISTIANS WHO SAYS MUHAMMAD S.A.W. COPIED FROM THERE SCRIPTURE TO WRITE QURAN.

5:116 .... Shakir

وَإِذْ قَالَ اللّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَأَنتَ قُلتَ لِلنَّاسِ اتَّخِذُونِي وَأُمِّيَ إِلَـهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِي أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِحَقٍّ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِي وَلاَ أَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِكَ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلاَّمُ الْغُيُوبِ

And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.

5:117

مَا قُلۡتُ لَهُمۡ إِلَّا مَآ أَمَرۡتَنِى بِهِۦۤ أَنِ ٱعۡبُدُواْ ٱللَّهَ رَبِّى وَرَبَّكُمۡ‌ۚ وَكُنتُ عَلَيۡہِمۡ شَہِيدً۬ا مَّا دُمۡتُ فِيہِمۡ‌ۖ فَلَمَّا تَوَفَّيۡتَنِى كُنتَ أَنتَ ٱلرَّقِيبَ عَلَيۡہِمۡ‌ۚ وَأَنتَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىۡءٍ۬ شَہِيدٌ

I did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things.


I have been referreing to this Ayat before in some discussions to show that Jesus a.s.will show his indifference to the claim of his followers..and will say he never claimed that he was God.

Now I'm presenting the same Ayat to support my view that Jesus will be able to tell this on Judgment day ONLY...AND NOT BEFORE IT...

Because if he comes back before Judgment day He might "correct" the "wrong" conception of his believers.
But All Christians will keep calling him a son of God till Qayamah...unless they believe in Quran and become Muslim.

BTW How could this be easy when Sunni belief is supporting them.Sunnis says

Jesus was born without father+ Jesus was raised to the sky+ Jesus will come back before Qayamah= Someone like a GOD/GODLY

But they just AVOID calling him the SON OF GOD...lol!

So believe him dead or alive..he is not going to come back...the choice is their's....

Another CLUE.....

The following Ayat shows a very interesting sequence of the ALLAH'S PROMISES,

ت3:56إِذْ قَالَ اللّهُ يَا عِيسَى إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ وَجَاعِلُ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوكَ فَوْقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ثُمَّ إِلَيَّ مَرْجِعُكُمْ فَأَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ فِيمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ

3:55

Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute

PROMISES:

1- 'I will put you to death'..A NATURAL DEATH ..and NOT THE DEATH OF DISHONOUR ON CROSS.

2- 'I will raise/save your HONOUR.(not to the sky as you HAVE already concluded)

3- 'I will clear you of the BLAMES of the DISBELIEVERS

4- 'I will give 'superiority' to the BELIEVERS OF JESSUS OVER THE NON-BELIEVERS.....TILL THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.

5- " I will give my JUDGMENT for the DISPUTED MATTERS ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT"

..........................................................

I think there's 'no need' of any furthur explanations after the CLEAR PROMISES OF ALLAH .. still...
I would like to cross examine the facts.....

SUNNIS SAYS:

1-Allah promised NATURAL DEATH for Jesus a.s.after he will be be sent back from Heaven on Earth.

Does it make any 'sense' ?
..after so many years of DISHONOUR....!

2- If Allah really wanted to raise him to the sky to save his HONOUR...then why the PROMISE OF 'Inni Raafeoka'
comes after "Inni Mutawaffeeqa"

Which makes no sense either...I'll give you natural death..then I will raise you towards me...haha..

What's the use of raising a dead body?

Isn't this belief VERY CLOSE to CHRISTIAN BELIEF...that Jesus DIED AND THEN WAS RAISED.?

3- What is the use of 'Inni Mutahhariaoka' "I will remove all the blames from you"

How can Allah remove the blames ..by first causing a death of dishonour and then raising him upto sky for so long..keeping him there while he is been disgraced on Earth...haha

4- Why too late to fulfill the promise...Has Allah been ENJOYING IT...(Na'aouzubillah)

AHMEDIS SAYS:

5- Allah meant all by this (and by all the fabricated Hadith they use to support their calim...) that He wanted to send 'AN INCARNATED JESUS' to solve all the disputes.

which is against the CLAIM OF QURAN..

Since the DISPUTE WILL BE SOLVED ON THE JUDGMENT DAY AS HE PROMISED IN THE AYAT.

otherwise,

Why did he say That "I will give superiority" to JESUS'S BELIEVERS...OVER NON-BELIEVERS...till the JUDGMENT DAY.

....have something more to say....

Well the scope of this topic..is not to prove Jesus a.s.'death' directly..a favourite topic of Ahmedis..and a joy of an argument to listen to (Between Sunnis and Ahmedis)..

The SCOPE OF THIS TOPIC is to REFUTE THE DANGEROUS CONCEPT/MISCONCEPTION/BELIEF OF SECOND-COMING OF JESUS A.S.ACCORDING TO QURAN ONLY.

So to my Christian Brothers and Sisters (Esp. MV (Mike)and Dawn)..who will definitely be reading this topic to grab something ..to linger on the 'sticky topic' of "THE ONLY RELIGION"..I want to say...this..( Nono! it all happened because you didn't promise to help..a joke..Allah is sufficient for ordinary humans..like me..!)

According to NEW TESTAMENT ...'false prophets' will be born and will claim to be "JESUS"...can you figure out something...!

The SIGN OF JESUS WILL BE SHOWN ON THE "SKY" ...LIKE LIGHTENING THAT TRAVELS FROM EAST TOWARDS WEST...JESUS CALLED HIMSELF "THE SON OF MAN"..REMEMEBER ..AND I CALLED IT "AN INTENTIONAL MISTAKE"...

I'm not saying what I am writing here is PERFECT...but can you find a CLUE from the sayings of a your 'Incarnated God'
who said "The son of man's sign will be shown on the sky..."..a man who USED TO TALK IN PARABLES!

Tomb-Of-Jesus (which is in East) 'kind of' gives a 'clue'..A DIVINE SIGN....

...so if what Jesus said 'might' be 'True' if it has not been corrupted"

the clue 'might' be this...

"JESUS was A MAN who DIED a NATURAL DEATH" (PERIOD)

Addition:
This is the CONCEPT which can be GENUINELY OPPOSED by ALL CHRISTIANS and many Christian-minded-MUSLIMS...who STOPPED READING QURAN after reading Hadiths in BUKHARI...etc..
and has been promoting Christianity in tje name of Islam.

Otherwise ...it's just obvious, whoever on Earth will /has been claiming to be JESUS has been OPPOSED.


The DISPUTE of JESUS'S BELIEVERS AND NON_BELIEVERS will remain as such UNTLESS THEY EMBRACE ISLAM ...and ACCEPT QURAN AS A "FINAL TESTAMENT"

Don't listen to Ahmedis listen to Quran...ONLY!

THIS IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD WITH WHICH JESUS A.S.WAS BORN TO REVIVE THE RELIGION OF ISLAM (NOT JUDAISM)

ISLAM IS ISLAM -NOT CHRISTIANITY...EITHER...BECAUSE IN KEEPING JESUS ALIVE..THEY HAVE CAUSED A'DEATH' TO THE 'MESSAGE' HE BROUGHT.

..for Muslims in general...I want to add something more....

An Indirect Evidence to Jesus a.s 's death...(a usual approach..for those who are not familiar..)

5:75

ما المسيح ابن مريم الا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل وامه صديقة كانا ياكلان الطعام انظر كيف نبين لهم الايات ثم انظر اني يؤفكون
مَّا الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدِّيقَةٌ كَانَا يَأْكُلاَنِ الطَّعَامَ انظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الْآيَاتِ ثُمَّ انظُرْ أَنَّى يُؤْفَكُونَ
Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!

3:144

ا وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ أَفَإِن مَّاتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ انْقَلَبْتُمْ عَلَى أَعْقَابِكُمْ وَمَن يَنقَلِبْ عَلَى عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَن يَضُرَّ اللّهَ شَيْئًا وَسَيَجْزِي اللّهُ الشَّاكِرِينَ
Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many Were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

A MATHEMATICAL CERTAINITY:

LIKE AN EQUATION:

1-JESUS WAS NO MORE THAN A MESSENGER
2-MUHAMMAD WAS NO MORE THAN A MESSENGER

1-ALL MESSENGER PASSED AWAY ,HAD DIED NATURALLY
2-SO JESUS AND MUHAMMAD PASSED AWAY, HAD DIED NATURALLY


One 'direct clue'..I'm...also pasting..sorry it takes me long to search back the ayat...copy and paste...I'm slow...

For those who are 'stuck' at 'Rafa'...'Tawaffa'...or 'Khala'

RULE OF LAW:

21:34

وَمَا جَعَلْنَا لِبَشَرٍ مِّن قَبْلِكَ الْخُلْدَ أَفَإِن مِّتَّ فَهُمُ الْخَالِدُونَ

We granted not to any man before thee permanent life (here): if then thou shouldst die, would they live permanently?
|وما - null| جعلنا - null| لبشر - null| من - of| قبلك - null| الخلد - the immortality/the eternity/the everlasting | افائن - null| مت - died/you (s/m) died | فهم - so they are/so they | الخالدون - the immortals/the eternals/the everlasting |


[21:35] Kullu nafsin tha-iqatu almawtiwanablookum bialshsharri waalkhayri fitnatanwa-ilayna turjaAAoona كل نفس ذائقة الموت ونبلوكم بالشر والخير فتنة والينا ترجعون
كُلُّ نَفْسٍ ذَائِقَةُ الْمَوْتِ وَنَبْلُوكُم بِالشَّرِّ وَالْخَيْرِ فِتْنَةً وَإِلَيْنَا تُرْجَعُونَ


Every soul shall have a taste of death: and We test you by evil and by good by way of trial. to Us must ye return.

|كل - all/every/each | نفس - null| ذائقة - null| الموت - ©Zya the death's intensity/the death's agony/the death's pang | ونبلوكم - null| بالشر - null| والخير - null| فتنة - null| والينا - null| ترجعون - null|

1- NO ONE BEFORE MUHAMMAD s.a.w has ever been granted an UN-NATURAL STATE OF LIFE....
2- Everyone is DESTINED to TASTE DEATH.

Inference: Jesus is not 'living' in heaven.He died naturally on this Earth, a natural death.

Support:

(21:7 And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation, so ask the followers of the reminder if you do not
21:8 And We did not make them bodies not eating the food, and they were not to abide (forever). Surah Anbiyah (Prophets))


A CLUE:

Muslims at the Time of Muhammad s.a.w.'S BELIEVED IN THE NATURAL DEATH OF JESUS A.S that's why they didn't argue about his death , remember...

MV (Mike) says that Muhammad s.a.w 'stole' everything from there Scriptures...Q ..Do you find it similar, brother?

(ADDITION:)

ANOTHER RULE/LAW: "NO ONE RETURNS" "NO-SECOND-COMINGS"
21:95

وَحَرَامٌ عَلَى قَرْيَةٍ أَهْلَكْنَاهَا أَنَّهُمْ لَا يَرْجِعُونَ

But there is a ban on any population which We have destroyed: that they shall not return.

أَلَمْ يَرَوْا كَمْ أَهْلَكْنَا قَبْلَهُم مِّنْ الْقُرُونِ أَنَّهُمْ إِلَيْهِمْ لاَ يَرْجِعُونَ
36:31

See they not how many generations before them we destroyed? Not to them will they return.

(..Btw .... there's no proof/clue of 'Incarnations' in Quran...either....!)

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Addition: Why Muslim 'raised' Jesus to sky...?

Because they wanted to 'SAVE' him to support Allah's calim that he was not killed/or Died on CROSS...

but they all missed this Ayat which clearly says what happened to Jesus a.s. and his Mother.

23:50 And WE made the son of Mary and his mother a Sign, and gave them shelter on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water.

Suunis says this Ayat is not clear..it might be referring to a refuge or shelter when Allah wanted to save Mary a.s. and Jesus a.s. from harm.

Lets cross-examine this Ayat.

1-Allah made the Son of Mary and his Mother...a sign..

it's not Mary and her 'Unborn Son'... :)

2-Allah gave both of them a Refuge/Shelter...not just a dwelling...to carryon their jouney of life..

3-Allah made that EVENT a 'SIGN'..

think....hard....!!

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(Readers referred to the post Tomb of Jesus)

CONCLUSION: ISLAM IS ISLAM...

...NOT MUHAMMADISM..SUNNISM ..SHAISM...AHMADISM...BAHAISM...ETC..

QURAN IS THE FINAL TESTAMENT=FINAL AUTHORITY...NOT HADITH.

Wassalaam o alaikum ...

'Silent'

:)

To Naveed

Bana kur faqeeron ka hum bhaiss Ghalib
Tamaasha e Ehle "Kalam" dekhtay hain....

:)

Thx for the 'help line'

Btw I can 'refute' all AHadith going in favour of any Secterian claim....wanna fight ....! ( a joke)

Well...that's why I call myself an 'ordinary Muslim'!
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BTW
1-'Dajjal' (Anti-Christ) is NOT mentioned in Quran.
2-'Gog and Magog' canNOT be taken-forgranted for 'Dajjal'

Forgot it..

"SIGN OF HOUR"...."QURAN" NOT JESUS

GENERAL:

Comparason amongst all these translations becomes inevitable as everyone refer to them and most of us are not very familiar with the Arabic language.
When people start showing some considereation to the matter that Prophet Jesus as had died the natural death according to Quran , they bring up this issue that JESUS AS is declared to be the SIGN OF LAST HOUR,the end of world or doomsday.There are other Ayat in Quran which refer to this fact that Jesus as will never be here BEFORE JUDGMENT DAY as I've tried to prove from Quran, still many followers of sectarian Islam offer this Ayat as a 'proof.'

[43:61]

Khalifa
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
Pithall
And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path.
Shakir
And most surely it is a knowledge of the hour, therefore have no doubt about it and follow me: this is the right path.
Sher Ali
But, verily, he was a sign of the Hour. So entertain no doubt about it, but follow me. This is the right path
Yusuf Ali
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.

Please notice:

1-Jesus's name is in bracket...which means it's by the choice of translator for Arabic "wa innahu" in Arabic.

2-Some of the translations uses a 'present tense' and not the 'future tense'. (intentionally/unintensionally)

3-Some of the above translations of 'wa inna hu" refer to 'Quran'(this) instead of Jesus as.

I simply request to everyone...kindly read some of the previous Ayaat to justify the CLAIM/ASSUMPTION OF ABU-HURAIRAH which has been refuted in other references from QURAN above..on account of the fact that QURANIC AYAAT ARE NOT CONTRADICTORY TO EACHOTHER..THEY SUPPORT/SHOULD SUPPORT EACHOTHER..(if all muslims can realize this fact and UNITE in the TRUE meanings of UNITY!)....or... one can simply make use of ..what we call 'commen sense' ( which is not common ..as my father used to say...)..to reach the meanings of "SIGN" ...and...."HOUR"....

Addition:

A THOUGHT: All who want to "bring" "Jesus" in this form or that...please ask yourself just 'one fair question' ...how many LAWS OF ALLAH are you OFFENDING by bringing him to earth again...Are you not doing it to feed THE IDOL OF YOUR OWN EGOS inside you....????????????????

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I apologize I left my answer in the middle , I was writing late at night and couldn't continue..because of severe headaches...in the morning..however...it was the first thing I did.. to reply the posts...

I appreciate the patience of eachother..one must be given time..for such debatable issues...until one 'completes' what he/she wants to say...
..because we all live in different Time-Zones..(a nice topic Time -Zone)..and obviously think differently ..too!

Thx.
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Note: I have revised my posts.

Referred to the "Jesus-A Prophet Of Islam" Topic for detail.

To All Muslims: (and all who call/regard themselves as Muslims)

I just wanted to say a few words…the words I couldn’t say in any of the sectarian/no-sectarian forum OPENLY..because they all have Moderators and Scholars.lol!

The TRUE UNITY is in purifying our selves by asking questions. No question is wrong as my professor said once …I say yes.. all questions are right ..but the 'right question' is ONLY ONE…It cuts open the 'VEIL of delusion' of our minds and unite our hearts into ONE inseparable bond.

Islam is Islam. Sects are not Islam. They are sections , They are Taboos. They are the main reason why there’s so much blood-shed in the Muslim world, so-called UMMAH (Ummah ..not you..)...which is sophisticatedly wrapped in a term..called "School Of Thoughts"

Have you ever observed the 'soap bubbles' closely! There’re bubbles trapped inside bubbles…the big bubble is ONE bubble from outside but from inside it’s all divided…Let’s try to pop up each and every small bubble inside the big bubble.. so that ONLY ONE big bubble remains…"ISLAM".

Yes..we can do it..with the "Spirit-Of-Islam"

Only then we can be able to unite ALL RELIGIONS into ONE RELIGION OF ALLAH.

We can’t unite people by starting a new sect as a RESCUE ARK. Neither we can do it by LEAVING THE RELIGION OF ALLAH. We can only do it by HOLDING HUBLULLAH…THE QURAN!

Allah says in Quran:

3:103 And hold fast, all together, to the rope of ALLAH and be not divided; and remember the favour of ALLAH which HE bestowed upon you when you were enemies and HE united your hearts in love, so that by HIS grace you became as brothers; and you were on the brink of a pit of fire and HE saved you from it. Thus does ALLAH explain to you HIS commandments that you may be guided.

(Hate is Fire!!!)

Let’s spread Allah’s word to all who listen…for Allah’s
sake ONLY!


My Love and Prayers to ALL!

SW.

My Urdu Poetry: (recent)

aieena dekh kur main pureshaan ho gaya
apnay wajood pur hi pushemaan ho gaya

is qaaro baar e deen* ne to burbaad kur dia
eemaan ko tola to main be-eemaan ho gaya

dhoonda jugha jugha, magr na khola apna dil
aur jhaanka, to teri deed ka samaan ho gaya

ous zaat se mansoob kia naffa o nuksaan
kub jaanay woh qahaar, mehrbaan ho gaya

pehlay Quran tha bus ik mo'jaza faqat
nikla jahaad pay to phir 'Furqaan' ho gaya

chup saadhay jo baitha raha tha manind e durwaish
bola , to wahi aandhi o toofaan ho gaya

bola koi main mo'jaza hoon , 'aajiz' karoo ga main
jab aqal se milla to khud hairaan ho gaya


apnay qadam chulna hoa dushwaar kis qadar
kaandhay se ous kay rusta kuch aasaan ho gaya


husrat bana rahaa jo baras ha basad e shoq
nikla jo meray dil se to aurmaan ho gaya

ehl e kitaab* aaj jisay kehtay hain 'shaheed' (Quran waalay muraad hain )
ik 'hurf' tha jo rah main qurbaan ho gaya

shaitaan mera dost , dereena ik rafeeq
ub k mila to jaan kur un-jaan ho gaya


tafreeq k janoon ne mujhay muskrik bana dia
thaami jo HUB ULAHH, MUSALMAAN ho gaya


taira to (swiming) teray ishq main 'kia kia' nahi bana
'dooba' jo aik baar main INSAAN ho gaya

Allah ka Ehsaan tha ya husn e amal o khoo
'Saadiq' 'Ameen', "Khulq u hul Qur-aan "ho gaya

Duniya ka Ilm jaana . jaana na apna deen*
Ab samjha kaisay zehn yeh veeran ho gaya


Paya zaroor jis ne bhi maanga khuda se SUCH
Yun hi to nahi Budha ko Nirvaan ho gaya


Jis ne kia gharoor o takubbar, zun o gumaan
Ilm o aqal k ba wajood ,nadaan ho gaya



SW


Dedicated to 'Deen e Islam'


Note: This poem is not 'gender-specific' as you can see I wanted to used the rhyming words like Quran, Qurbaan, Weeraan, Insaan...

The perspective of this poem is Muslim/Human.

I'm posting it's translation now..not-word-to-word ...just meanings...