Islam

Is Islam a derived religion or is it a separate religion from the start?

Islam accepts certain parts of Christianity and Judaism but rejects most of it

It believes in the prophets but rejects the Trinity in Christianity.

Islam is the application of the Complex Judeo-Christian tradions to the Beduin Society, which was initially based on a Meritocracy but eventually became an Aristocracy as nomad existence was transformed by the ownership of LAND and Islamic society degenerated from the Magnificence of The Golden Age Of Córdova and Granada to what it unfortunatelly is today.

Excellent question! The question itself points to innocent ignorance of what Islam "is" and what the word "Islam" means.

First, to answer your question, like vegetarianism, libertarianism, communism, and so forth, it is not a religion but something that is put into "practice." According to the Qur'an, surely, Abraham had a "religion," which is the closest word in English representing his active devotion to Allah, but the word most often translated to mean "religion" is the word "diyn" as in "Diyn Allahi." Diyn refers to a code of ethics or a Standard, not an organized religion that you can join through baptism, circumcision, or any other ritual.

Second, to answer your question, Allah (a proper name in Arabic for the Supreme Being) is not a religion anyone can "join." The Standards of the religion of Allah is something that mankind is commanded to "embrace."

Third, to answer your question, the words "Islam" and "Muslim" come from the same root S-L-M which means "peace, safety, security, trust, etc." The word Islam is an imperative format of that root and Muslim is an active participle of that same root. When you are commanded to "Islam," you are commanded to surrender, be saved, make peace, be peace, and so on. When you surrender to Allah by obeying His commands, you become a Muslim, or quite literally "one who is saved or has salvation."

In summary, one cannot join the religion of Allah, but one can embrace it through submission (salvation, if you will) to Allah.

Because of these three aspects of the existentialism of Islam, there have been many misnomers about it in that it is not really derived or separate from most religions that embrace the Messengers and Prophets of Allah. As far back as the first man, whomever that may have been - Adam and Eve, Lucy, Steve, or Mack - if you surrendered your life to obeying Allah, you were indeed a Muslim whether you knew it or not. The most famous Muslim in history taught strict Torah observance which is so opposite of Christianity today. He was born a Jew, and religions were formed in his name that are in complete constrast to what he taught. His name was Jesus.

The last and final prophet to date was a Bedouin. His heritage happened to be located where the famous son of an Anunnaki, king of Babylon, went on a long retreat and influenced his reputation as the Moon God, Sin/Nanner, whom Mt. Sinai is named after and which is where many Arabic countries and countries influenced by this well known son of an Anunnaki/Moon God get their crescent moon symbol. BTW, the crescent moon is a national, not a religious symbol, and has very little to do with Islam itself, with the exception that in the history of pre-Islam, as it is incorrectly called, once upon a time, the son king of a Moon God visited there to recover from a mental breakdown he had while on the throne.

I hope that this helps you understand that Islam's derivation is from Allah to His Messengers and Prophets and not from cults like Christianity and Judaism. The fact that it did not evolve from Judaism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, or any other cult as many have claimed, nevertheless, does not deprive Islam from believing in the Messengers and Prophets sent to them as well by Allah such as Noah, Moses, Jesus, etc.

Nolan

This does not explain the disunity and strife arizing out the actual practice of Islam! Shia-Sunny, Bahai, etc. etc. are internal symptoms of contradictions present in Islam that reflect the lack of a consensus of "peace" that should arise from such a peaceful religion! Islam is a religion that cannot tolerate doubt in an individual that wants to believe that Allah is acting through him personally and thus his actions reflect the will of God. The basic sin that some religions propose is wanting to "be like God" and sometimes call original sin, is the basic flaw in Islam as well, because without clearing up your doubts by use of the brain that God gave us (true Jhihadism!), we comit irreversable errors that cause much of nedless human suffering. Intolerance and non-acceptance of any criticism is associated with the many Islamic derived multiple religions!

Thank you for your comments! What you mention is very important for people to understand. To begin with, the disunity you speak of is very interesting because although there are many schools of thought in the Islamic world, there is only one true Islam that is held together by the Qur'an in spite of the differences in the various schools of thought. As a result of illiteracy in many Muslim areas of the world, which is not really the case in America, there are indeed many who are misled by self-serving Sheiks and Mullahs. However, the Qur'an is very clear about sects not being acceptable before Allah. All those schools of thought that have evolved into factions and warring enemies are not true Islam; otherwise, they would be submitting to Allah, as per the revelation of The Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him).

The strife you mention, jihada as it is called in Arabic, was initially that strife caused by the Christian terrorists now known in history as The Crusaders, but in time as with all religious and political organizations there are those few who think they know it all or that they are above the message received from the Messenger, apostates, if you will. All these warring factions, including the Baha'i faith, do not arise out of "the actual practice of Islam" as you claimed but quite the opposite. They come out of self-serving individuals claiming without merit to be either new messengers of Allah or claiming to know the message of the Messenger of Allah better than anyone else. We see this in almost every religion in the world, so it's nothing new.

Peace is indeed a big part of Islam; however, you have people who are not truly educated in their religion such as those radical Muslim terrorist groups who not only do not follow their Qur'an but take it out of context to such an extreme that one who "does indeed" know the Qur'an wonder where they are coming from with their interpretations. Any organization that promotes war, tyranny, spousal or child abuse, and anything that is not in the direction of maintaining peace and ummah (middle community) is not representative of Islam in its truest form, based on the Qur'an, even the validated Sunnah and ahadiyth.

Sabir, patience in Arabic, is mentioned thorughout the Qur'an. It is a major part of the command to tolerance that Muslims are indeed called to, but just as you see in almost every religion, especially Christianity, there are those who for whatever reason engage in activities totally contrary to the Messenger in whose name they act. What you see in American media is not true Islam. In fact, what the Qur'an calls those who violate the laws of Islam in the name of Allah is "hypocrites." If you study the Qur'an, you will discover that it is very clear about hypocrisy and the consequences of it, and it is not limited to Islam alone. If no peace process is attempted in times of war or even civil unrest, then by definition you do not have a Muslim present.

In your post, you mentioned "true jihadism." Have you ever had a tribulation in your life like a bad day, bad habit, a course in school that you struggled in? Well, these are examples of true jihada. The Muslims in the early days were persecuted as were the Jews and people of many other religions and walks of life by the Christian Church. Those appointed to risk becoming martyrs in the name of Jesus were called The Crusaders. We now celebrate their deaths on Halloween, the witches' sabbat. Muslims were the protectors of both Jews and Christians during this time. In fact, when the Muslims left Jerusalem, the Jews and Christians both begged for the Muslims to stay.

Because of these "cults" that proclaim supremacy over other cults, the battle continues, and not only Muslims but all people of the free world lay victim to the needless human suffering that goes all the way back to the beginning of human history. I agree with you about the needless human suffering and intolerance; however, if you check your historical facts, you will discover that it did not derive from Islam at all. What we see in the radical Muslim terrorist groups derived from their resentment of the historical attacks by The Crusaders, the Christian organization of terrorist networks that continue in different forms to this day. Their false claims consist of being at war with the infidels, which means nothing more than the ones who are unfaithful to their own religion. Their true claims, however, consist of Christians and Jews being on the continual path of acting in the name of their god and religion to subterfuge those who do not agree with them. Two wrongs do not make a right, so radical Muslim terrorists are just as wrong as those persecuting Muslims, much less anyone else who disagrees with their ideologies.

Muslims, according to the Qur'an, are not allowed to shove religion down anyone's throat, but anyone who wants to know about Islam, Muslims who are properly educated in Islam are called to teach. In the process, the Qur'an calls all mankind to use their noggins and debate peacefully and intelligently. This means that where criticism is due, by all means criticize! But do so with tact and in the spirit of peace. Islam has no history of shoving religion down anyone's throat by true Muslims, and most of the history used by the international Judeo-Christian communities to prove that Islam is a fierce and blood-thirsty religion have, according to my study so far, taken history out of context or proven to have lied.

If you have any intelligent criticism against Islam, I know of no true Muslim who would have any problem with a genuine response. Islam, per the Qur'an, is truly a standard of peace; however, I cannot judge Christianity on the Guyana Tragedy of the late 1970s, can I? Same goes for all religions in all fairness to all religions and standards. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask, my friend.

Nolan

The fact that I am trying to point out is that the many similarities between all religions and their historical evolution are very simmilar and Islam has not a significantly different developmental path when compared with the other mayor religions and thus has no real claim to any uniqueness over the other mayor religions! What Islam is going through now is no different to what other religions went through on an historical sequence basis, and the many arguing and arrogant factions that have developed out of Islam on a historical basis when compared to all of the other religions would indicate to me, that it is not the hand of Allah, or even Satan, that is guiding us into such a chaos as we are presently experiencing! If religion cannot efectively change the behavior of man towards humanity, it does no good to explain away why this is so and the sooner we accept that a truely secular legal system that respects (or ignores all religions equaly without discrimination) a morality different from the ones that claim uniqueness, is the only solution for mankind!

Precisely the reverend Jones Guayana incident clearly illustrates than no man should ever claim or be allowed, to be doing the will of God! Being healthfuly doubtful of everything until proven otherwise, is the beguining of Science and of civilization itself! There is only the sin of desiring being like God "and thus knowing the fruit of the tree of good and evil", that is the basis of most ordinary religions, that is then subsequently ignored by them! Islam is no different in actual results achieved than any of the other religions! Until I am shown a religion that is uniquely different on its own cultural merits and results, I will doubt all religions equally, without discrimination!
Let's accept the fact that the great mayority of people have a certain religion is just by the accident of birth!
I cannot accept the view that the fate of mankind is some sort of contest between Allah and Satan to see whom collects more souls, like stamp collectors collect stamps!

Actually, this is very healthy dialogue, and as a Muslim I have to agree wholeheartedly with you that "the many similarities between all religions and their historical evolution are very simmilar"; however, religion that has come out of Islam is included, but is not true religion of Islam because in true Islam only Allah can be a member of the true religion. Mankind can only embrace the "Standards" of Allah's religion. On that note, Islam is unique from all other religions in certain ways that do not apply to most religions. To begin with, true is Islam is not an organization; it's not a religion; it has no clerics; and there are no religious leaders in any sense of the word who legally as per the Qur'an can tell you whether you qualify to be a Muslim or not. The reason is because Islam is an "action word." It is something you do. Muslim is a word describing a type of person. He/she is one who does the action of the root S-L-M. For that reason, the Standard or Code of Ethics that we call Islam is not called Muhammadism, Arabicism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism or any other name attributed to a person or deity. To do so would constitute organized religion which in Islam is not called for.

In summary, how then can a Muslim disagree with you in your concept that "If religion cannot efectively change the behavior of man towards humanity, it does no good to explain away why this is so and the sooner we accept that a truely secular legal system that respects (or ignores all religions equaly without discrimination) a morality different from the ones that claim uniqueness, is the only solution for mankind!" If you know the Qur'an and review it carefully from the Arabic, you'll discover that Islam does not call for mankind to join a religion, but to seek peace, reduce or completely get rid of oppression, and to obey Allah.

Furthermore, that is why the Qur'an calls for a personal relationship and personal worship of the Supreme Being those who speak Arabic call Allah - because the fate of man "SHOULD NOT" be entrusted into the hands of mankind, but in the hands of that Supreme Being you believe in, if you believe in Him/Her/It. Even when we worship in congregations, it's not about the brothers you are shoulder to shoulder with, but about what you brothers are doing there individually in worship, so in answer again to JHarrington's question, "Is Islam a derived religion or is it a separate religion from the start?" That all depends on whether you believe in the Prophet, the Message (Recitation, in Arabic called "Qur'an"), and what "true Islam" represents or not.

I think you are right on, brother!

Nolan

If you are saying that religion is a highly personal and private activity that does not concern anybody else but the person and Allah; fine and dandy! I find a Fatwa very different from that basic philosophy we agreed on for a "true" religion! Hence in a secular law system, the only one that can be absolutely fair for all religions, a Fatwa would only have the support and acceptance of those who wan't to believe it or not. This is not the actual case in an Islamic state! Your rulers in fact instead of addmitting an honest mistake in issueing a Fatwa often blame Satan for the errors in it and Islamic society does not accept mistakes, in order to be able to learn from them! You even in Islam do not accept the remote possiblility of Satan repenting through kindness from the most powerful and returning to the fold! If you did, you would not stone him ritually after each Hagjh! How can you hope to end evil in Allah's world if you will not even dialog with it? The real spirit of Jihad is being so compassionate generous as to have enough compassion with all, including Satan, to give them a chance to see the true light! The most important pillar of Islam by vengefully stoning Satan time and time again shows not the slightest compassion to him, which even the compassionate God of the old testament did by allowing Satan try, and fail, to turn Job against God and thus demonstrate to one and all, Satan's juvenal delinquent character! I cannot believe in a God that is not compassionate. Are we getting somewhere now?

Please think it out! If there are no mistakes to correct and become more in tune with Allah as a human being trying to achieve a closer distance with perfection, because Satan does not allow it, then there is no free will possible and thus man is not at fault for his sins and can allways say the devil made me do it! To blame Satan for the sin's of mankind is just as foolish as to say God's only human son must die to atone for man's sins towards God! There has to be a way for man himself to atone (true Jihad!) and suffer the consquences of his mistake, or there is no hope for man! thus all religions have basic foolishnesses built in that cause human and a truely compassionate God to suffer with out reason! Any religion that claims to have an easy and sure way to God in Paradise is flawed! Paradise can only be reached by Jihad making us more perfect in the eyes of Allah, and those that pervert the concept of Jihad are surely not seen in favor by Allah.

Dear Nolan: You refer to the Cruzaders as "Christian Terrorists" and the cause of much strife for Islam. The Caliphates (note that I use the plural!) were much more powerful, civilized and developed than the crazed cruzaders thay were just European uneducated peasants! The Islamic World had much more to fear from the Mongol decendents of Ghenguiz Khan at that time! The Cruzades were a military Joke in comparizon! The Grandson of Ghenguiz, the no-religion practizing Húlagu was approached by the Vatican in an attempt convert him out his "Mongol Secularism" into christianity. Very pragmatically he responded to the ambassador Italian priests: "If your God is so Powerful that causes me to win the upcomming war with the Fatimid Islamic Regime from Egypt, we will all become Christians!" The battle of Ayn Jalut in the year 1260 was fortunatelly lost by the Mongols, and Baybars, the victorious Fatimid General, really saved Western Civilization, for the simple-minded priests really had believed that by the act of sprinling holy water on the oriental hordes of Húlagu, and their resulting aliance would give the dominance that they needed to carry Christianity to be the ultimate religion in the world such as your Hagjhies belive that tossing stones at the devil will solve humanity's woes! Just as christians do not know their own HISTORY, Muslims equally are ignorant as well of theirs, and anybody that quietly and scholarly points out an error in Islam of Historical nature is automatically senteced to death by a Fatwa annalogous to a blank check, for critisicing Islam, which at one time was the most tolerant, knowlegeable scientific of any religion! The stupid arrogance of the Babilon Caliphate (I don't remember wether Uhmayad or Abbasid anymore) caused the demise of all muslims in besieged Bagdad by the mongols! Where you taught that at your Madrassah? Did all the slaughtered male Muslims of Bagdad become Martirs and recieve their 72 virgins? Can Houries be recycled in Paradise and if so are they really still virgins? I point these observations not as somebody making fun of Islam, but as an obsevation as to why Islam seems ridiculous to an unprejudiced mind having the misfortune of not being accidentally born into a Musslim culture. How could Allah expect a non-musslim monogamous kaffir like myself to be attracted to Islam? (or to any other simmilar religion full of working inconsistancies?) Please try to put your self in my intellectual shoes before the fire and brimstone sermon comes out!

Islam is said to be since when man was born on earth,
islam is said to be worlds best religion, christianity and judism is derived from islam, islam is the one nad only religion i believe.

Islam is said to be since when man was born on earth,
islam is said to be worlds best religion, christianity and judism is derived from islam, islam is the one nad only religion i believe.

Happy is he that can believe without thought, because he will never need to do his personal Jihadah, nor will he ever have the real respect of God and fellow men for facing sin squarely and triumphing over his errors by his own free will and knowledge instead of just by an animal instinct of fearing punishment! Donkeys are always happy as they do not have to think! There were other religions before Judaism and Christianity that influenced their development and only an ignornt fool doesn't care about this nor understand the historical development of monotheism and probably still accepts Jins as a primitive pagan.

I have read several messages you have posted: I wonder what is your goal in writing D1vidRab? if you are genuinely seeking knowledge I think you ought to change your attitude in life to a more humble one.
The human suffering you refer to is caused by people, not the lofty message of Islam. You cannot judge the teachings of Jesus (Pbuh)through what 'christians' are doing nor can you judge the message of Moses through what the 'Jews' are doing nor can you judge the message of islam through what 'muslims' are doing. Poeple commit sins and others intentionally distort religious concepts and precepts in order to mislead, you cannot blame the message because of what people do. Look at the message, does it appeal to reason? Is it discriminatory or calls on all humanity? Does it match with human needs? Can people from all ages practice it easily? Does adherance to its teachings make you a better person (with yourself, others, the environment)?
There are many more questions you need to ask yourself.

Enough babbling from men as to whom came before whom or what religion is better than others! By trying to convert other religions to his own one, man has caused tremendous human suffering. I call all religions not to waste efforts in converting humans anymore. Religious men from all religions should stop argueing amongst each other and try to convince Satan to return to the way of God! Satan is no fool-just because of his vast experience only and should be willing to confront wise men of all religions to prove his point and supposedly gain ultimate control of the universe! What ever religious leader belonguing to the best of all faiths should be willing to confront Satan and convince him of his error, if he has God's Truth behind him! Whomever is the greatest religious leader of all, must confront Satan in open and frank discussion, or else the religious leader so chosen is a cowardly liar and is really afraid of Satan, even if he knows that Allah/God/Yawe, etc is behind him! Certainly God himself is not afraid to confront Satan as clearly shown in the Book of Job. Any religious leader that does not accept this chalenge is a fake! Get volunteers from all religions and verbally fight it out with Satan, for Satan knows that if he wins the arguments, he will have defeated God, but since we all know that God must triumph in the end, there should be no danger other than picking not a religious leader but a faker! I guarantee that Satan will accept the chalenge because although evil, he is not stupid and if he does not accept the chalenge of the greatest of all religions, what ever it may be, his regime is over!

Q:Is Islam a derived religion or is it a separate religion from the start?

Answer form the 'main' source of the divine message "Quran"

1-Religion given to Arahim and his descendents.

6:161 Say: "Verily, my Lord hath guided me to a way that is straight,- a religion of right,- the path (trod) by Abraham the true in Faith, and he (certainly) joined not gods with God."

42:13 The 'same religion' has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than God, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. God chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

2-They were named "Muslims" too!

22:78 And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Apostle may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to God! He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help

3-Essentials

2:177] Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in GOD, the Last Day, the angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives, the orphans, the needy, the traveling alien, the beggars, and to free the slaves; and they observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat); and they keep their word whenever they make a promise; and they steadfastly persevere in the face of persecution, hardship, and war. These are the truthful; these are the righteous.

[5:3] Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than God; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. "This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion." But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, God is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

God said "This day have I PERFECTED your religion for you, COMPLETED My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."

See my post on Family traditions and the easter bunny concerning Uniqueness of religion and the signiture of God.
Mike

....5:3 .........This day have I PERFECTED your RELIGION for you and COMPLETED MY FAVOURS upon you and have chosen for you ISLAM AS RELIGION................

ISLAM...FOR US!

Read my essay on 'my Religion' and some writes concerning Humanities to understand 'my perspective' of thinking and behaving....Thanks.

Is that true if out of ISLAM has come al sorts of religious strife? Shia vs. Sunny, Bahai vs all previous forms of ISLAM, etc. etc! Al of these different forms of religion comming out of ISLAM claim to be the truth! How can Allah take responsibility for all this mess? Look at facts-not dogma you have been spoonfed since being born!

RE: Silent's quote of 5:3.
5:3 (1) The dead and the blood and flesh of the pig (swine, hog) are forbidden for you as well as (1a) what is dedicated to other than Allāh by it (1b) and the strangled [animal] (1c) and the severely beaten (or killed by a violent hit) (1d) and the slain by falling (into a crack or whole, or from a cliff, tree, etc.) (1e) and the gored (that which has been forced to death by the horns of an animal) (1f) and what the wild animals consumed except what you slaughter (2a) and not sacrificed to the idol (2b) and that you seek to split with arrows. (3) Such are wicked acts. (4) Today, those who rejected despaired from your standard, (5) so do not fear them. (6) Fear Me. (7) Today, I perfected for you your standards. (8) I completed upon you My blessing. (9) I choose for you the submissions as your standards, (10) so whoever has been afflicted in hunger without acting wrongfully in order to sin, then indeed, Allāh is Infinite Forgiveness, Infinite Mercy. (*)

حُرِّمَتۡ عَلَيۡكُمُ ٱلۡمَيۡتَةُ وَٱلدَّمُ وَلَحۡمُ ٱلۡخِنزِيرِ وَمَآ أُهِلَّ لِغَيۡرِ ٱللَّهِ بِهِۦ وَٱلۡمُنۡخَنِقَةُ وَٱلۡمَوۡقُوذَةُ وَٱلۡمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَٱلنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَآ أَكَلَ ٱلسَّبُعُ إِلَّا مَا ذَكَّيۡتُمۡ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى ٱلنُّصُبِ وَأَن تَسۡتَقۡسِمُواْ بِٱلۡأَزۡلَـٰمِ‌ۚ ذَٲلِكُمۡ فِسۡقٌ‌ۗ ٱلۡيَوۡمَ يَٮِٕسَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمۡ فَلَا تَخۡشَوۡهُمۡ وَٱخۡشَوۡنِ‌ۚ ٱلۡيَوۡمَ أَكۡمَلۡتُ لَكُمۡ دِينَكُمۡ وَأَتۡمَمۡتُ عَلَيۡكُمۡ نِعۡمَتِى وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ ٱلۡإِسۡلَـٰمَ دِينً۬ا‌ۚ فَمَنِ ٱضۡطُرَّ فِى مَخۡمَصَةٍ غَيۡرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ۬ لِّإِثۡمٍ۬‌ۙ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣)

3. ḥurrimat [fu’’ilat] ‘alay-kumu l-maytatu [√mwt, maytah n.f.] wa d-damu [√dmm, dam n.m. (pl. dima)] wa laḥmu [√lḥm, lahm n.m. (pl. luhum)] l-xinzīri [√xnzr, xinzir n.m.] wa (1a) mā uhilla li-ğayri llāhi bi-hi (1b) wa l-munxaniqatu [√nxnq, mu+انخنق+ة] (1c) wa l-mawqūṭatu [√wqْṭ al-maf’ūlatu, f. sing., pcple. pass., Stem I] (1d) wa l-mutaraddiyatu [√rdy mu+tafa’’ila, pcple. act. f., Stem V] (1e) wa n-naţīḥatu (1f) wa mā akala [√akl fa’ala, perf. act., Stem I] s-sabu’u [√sb’] illā mā ṭakkay-tum (2a) wa mā ṭubiḥa ‘alā n-nuṣubi [√nṣb, nusub n.m. (pl. ansab)] (2b) wa an tastaqsimū [√qsm ta+yastaf’ilū, impf. act., Stem X] bil-‘azlāmi [√zlm, azlām n.m. (pl. of zalam)] (3) ṭāli-kum fisqun (4) al-yawma ya’isa llaṭīna kafarū min dīni-kum fa lā taxşaw-hum (6) wa (i)xşaw-ni (7) al-yawma akmal-tu [√kml af’al, perf. act., Stem IV] la-kum dīna-kum (8) wa atmam-tu ‘alay-kum ni’mat-ī (9) wa rađī-tu [√rđy/w] la-kumu l-islāma dīnan (10) fa mani iđţurra [√đţr/đrr ufti’ila: uđtirira → uđtirra → iđţurra, perf. pass. exception, Stem VIII] fī maxmaṣatin [√xmṣ, maxmasah n.f.] ğayra mutajānifin [√jnf mutafā’ilin, ] li-iŧmin fa ‘inna (A)llāha ğafūrun raḥīmun

To D-Rab

Solution to all the problems you've just mentioned .....is...Reverse Gear...Holding on to...HUBLULLAH....THE QURAN.....and....'System Restore'!

RE: Post that began as follows.

Is that true if out of ISLAM has come al sorts of religious strife? Shia vs. Sunny...
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If not for the reality of religion in the world, I would probably see the point of your question, but when you see the attacks against the Catholic Church by Prostestants who for the most part are represented by Jim Jones Guyana Tragedy, Ku Klux Klan, Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the McMurray Federal Building in Oklahoma, and other similar dangerous cults that are directly linked to Christianity in America, and other religions throughout the world, I seem to sense that your question is due to ignorance and extreme bias. Take a look at your question, and maybe you might sense the same religious strife coming from people like yourself. Then maybe, we might be able to answer your question even better. Religion, not Islam alone, has been a benefactor of wars, terrorism (Christian Crusades against all non-Christians and non-conformers), holocausts (Holocaust during World War Two against the Jews primarily), allegations of criminal behavior (Catholic Priests), misdirected allegations and stereotyping (Muslims by the Christian Terrorist Network of America), and so on. I really don't think your question applies only to pseudo Muslim sects and breakoffs. If I am wrong, please put the cards on the table intelligently, not like your question that makes you look like a total academic idiot.

You are the one that is both assuming and presuming! The standard religions are just as bad in my eyes as ISLAM is!

You stated TO ME: You are the one that is both assuming and presuming!

Response: Possibly so; however, are you half as intelligent as an ape? Clarify your claim. If you can, then maybe I may have to agree with you that I am assuming and presuming, but you have not stated any basis for your claim. If you can, maybe I might take back and apologize for what I stated.

You claimed: The standard religions are just as bad in my eyes as ISLAM is!

Response: I agree with you for the most part regarding standard religions, with the exception of Christianity. Christianity is a cult of terrorism and deception, hatred and lies, and infidelity against their own accepted canons of Scripture, and a threat in every way to humanity.

As regards Islam, however, I disagree all together because "If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, sounds like a duck, and so on we must assume based on the provided evidence that it must indeed be a duck." When we associate a group with Islam or being Muslims, the same principle applies, so let's understand what Islam is first and then the evidence is that we use to determine what a Muslim is. In Islam, according to that which Islam is currently based on, namely the Qur'an, no mischief in the land and no form of terrorism as well as any other act of aggression is acceptable. Even inappropriate debates on religion such as ad hominem due to one not agreeing with the other is forbidden in the Qur'an. Being a member of a division or sect of Islam is forbidden in the Qur'an and is essentially soemthing not Islamic at all. Bottom line, Islam does not fit into your profile according to the evidence we must base our cases on, but pseudo-Islamic radicals do fit the profile you are erroneously assigning to Islam, but they are probably as big in true Islam as the nearly extinct Fundamentalist Quakers are in all of Christianity.

If you can disagree with me on what I have said, I encourage a healthy debate, but justify your claims. Don't speak from your rectum. Allah gave you a brain to use, okay?

Peace out, brother.

Nono