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Jango10
Hi, I am seeker, I have been attending Radha Swami satsang from my child hood. I understand most of what has been said, but there is a point where I get stuck, Every Baba Ji says/said that "naam" is the force, it is ultimate, the experiences are ultimate, the necter is the sweetest, the sounds are out of the world and extraordinary, worldly things & pleaseures cannot stand in front of them. Agreed, but then how come the people, after being initiated still are so involved in the worldly pleasures. I do not have to go far, I see it in my own relatives who are initiated, now the conclusion for me is always that there is something missing in "naam", it is really not that sweet a necter that people still can look away from it. I myself want to explore but I am skeptical, I do not want to jump in and later find that I am like these other people who did not find it all that appealing and become wanderer again.
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susingh
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Seeker does not mean that one can achieve any progress in spirituality by running away from all worldly affairs.

Wouldn’t it mean to shirk away from all responsibilities?

In that case, one should not marry or even have higher education and get involved in spirituality only. It is quite doubtful as if one can progress in spirituality through so described detachment
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0027
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King Satya Karma, Father of Harish Chandra, while leaving his kingdom to his son, for going to attain Nirvana, undertook 100 YAGYAS on the advice of his GURU VASHIST and then wished for going to Heaven along with his body.

For this purpose, he again went to his GURU Vashist as also to Vashist’s son SHAKTI to guide him for fulfilling his wish. Satya Karma had a logic for having such wishes, “Since one’s body is instrumental for doing all good KARMAS, e.g. (i) Hands help the soul for giving donations to a needy, (ii) Eyes help the soul to take pity on a any hurt person, animal or a bird, (iii) Heart helps for loving every one on this earth and so on. So why shouldn’t one’s body be rewarded, along with its soul, to go to heaven, while being rewarded for such good KARMAS.”

Finally Satya Karma’s logic strikes the mind of only one well known egoistic VISHWAMITRA, who promises SATYA KARMA to do everything for getting his wish fulfilled by taking a fight with all gods. It was egoistic VISHVAMITRA who put HARISH CHANDRA to face lot of sufferings by putting his honesty to test. One can take a final view of this story himself by viewing three parts of a movie, VISHVAMITRA, each part for more than 3 hours, which is available on YOUTUBE.

In fact answers, for all spiritual teachings, do lie in these detailed three episodes, displaying that all types of spirituality is nothing but a waste exercise if it is undertaken with ego or any expectations for success in meditation even.

All inner progress of meditation is directly linked with the outer progress, of every SATSANGI, which is displayed through one’s temperament and behavior with society, family, parents kids as also while on duty, instead of taking literal meaning of detachment. One should not take meditation as HATHYOG and must believe in reaping its fruits by laying stress on KARMA YOG also, since bound to work as SONE PE SUHAGA!

Had that be the case, KING Janak would have not succeeded to attain NIRWANA, while looking after his kingdom with utmost devotion. Love and devotion is only a key to progress in spirituality.
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palyal81
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Dear,
Don't get confused, if babaji has initiated ur relatives & u not found any change in them or wht ever u said above.
If your relative do not meditate properly or do not give actual timming for meditation then how they will get the sweetness, this is the way of "patience".
read book "mere satguru" page no.180 to 200.
u will get ur answer.
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Jango10
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Question misunderstood, it is about 'why "naam" does not have unrestrained attchment/longing, don't turn my question around, I am not talking of detachment, I am talking about not having enough attachment.
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Jango10
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Question misunderstood, it is about 'why "naam" does not have unrestrained attchment/longing, don't turn my question around, I am not talking of detachment, I am talking about not having enough attachment.
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Jango10
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Question misunderstood, it is about 'why "naam" does not have unrestrained attchment/longing, don't turn my question around, I am not talking of detachment, I am talking about not having enough attachment.
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Jango10
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Question misunderstood, it is about 'why "naam" does not have unrestrained attchment/longing, don't turn my question around, I am not talking of detachment, I am talking about not having enough attachment.
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Jango10
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"all types of spirituality is nothing but a waste exercise if it is undertaken with ego or any expectations for success in meditation even"

Now this is interesting, forget ego, no ego, just very humble person, One further question, "why meditation"?
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0027
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Expecting any progress through NAAM DAAN alone is nothing but to expect merging in GOD through HATHYOG only, which is not possible through any GURU. It is always an outcome of combined results of KARAMYOG and spirituality both progressing together, if displayed to full satisfaction of all surroundings at large and to self in particular.
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Jango10
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So that means, you yourelf need to have your mind and body in balance,and then along with "naam" you can move forward in your jouney. Means you yourself will have to somehow "fall in love with" naam, "Naam " in itself does not have that much pulling power, but a balanced mind could help in achieving it... Is it something like this?
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susingh
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Yes! That is the only way for making a visible progress in spirituality step by step and is a time taking process, requiring lot of patience, before one starts enjoying its nectar.

No targets could ever be fixed for this journey due to complications involved in making required progress in one's KARMA account in this journey.A strong will power can make it very soothing, if undertaken without any expectations in return, being the main philosophy hidden behind KARMA theory, more so when one is likely to face lot of struggle/tests in this ongoing journey as happened in case of Harish Chandra whose honest living was also put to unexmplary hard tests.

One may also consider giving up some vital acts like,

"1. Giving up ego
2. Giving up the past
3. Giving up fears
4. Giving up resistance to change
5. Give up excuses
6. Giving up limiting beliefs about what one can or cannot do, about what is possible or impossible. From now on, one is no longer going to allow one’s limiting beliefs to keep one stuck in the wrong place. Spread wings and fly!
7. Giving up the luxury of criticism
8. Giving up complaining
9. Giving up need to always be right
10. Giving up blaming


Immagine, millions of people might have been initiated by any of five RSSB GURUS by now. On coming accross some of disciples, having been initiated from Sawan Singh ji or Charan Singh ji, if one wants to know their inner progress, may get some uncertain answeres.
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palyal81
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Dear you said "I have been attending Radha Swami satsang from my child hood" ??
I am surprised then still you are unable to understand from such a long time. if u can't understand babaji's satsang , then how could I solve ur problem.

sorry....

Seek your parents for solution. & don't be judgemental.
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palyal81
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It is correct that expecting any progress through NAAM DAAN alone is nothing but to expect merging in GOD. I agree

But through HATHYOG only, which is not possible through any GURU. ???

without living guru no one can even concentrate in his forehead for meditation & u are saying which is not possible through any GURU.In RSSB there is no need to do any faltu HATHYOG etc .... babaji never recommended do to any yoga voga.

AASAN ZARURI NAHI HEI, EKAGRATA ZARURI HEI.

just sit straight & have guru's swarup.

0027 why u are misguiding Jango10 ????
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palyal81
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Immagine, millions of people might have been initiated by any of five RSSB GURUS by now. On coming accross some of disciples, having been initiated from Sawan Singh ji or Charan Singh ji, if one wants to know their inner progress, may get some uncertain answeres.???

may get some uncertain answeres ?? LIKE...........

PLZ EXPLAIN. THODA KASHT KIJIYE....
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starspeed
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Your skepticism is justified owing to the fact that you are not initiated yet and you haven't seen any change in people around you who are initiated.But also i can infer generalization to some degree from your post.

Just because someone is initiated doesn't mean he will show some decrease in attachments from worldly things. Most people don't do meditation with due diligence and some persons don't even live fully upto the vows that are being given at the time of initiation. In these constraints, you will find very few people as you mentioned.
One more thing, the inner experiences and pull that you have heard are not experienced instantly. It requires patience maybe months or even years varying from person to person as told by palyal81 in previous post.

And yes, the NAAM does has pulling effect that pulls one's soul up to higher consciousness. But that process is very slow and gradual.


PS: susingh aka 0027 is a troll operating under multiple accounts!!
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susingh
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Starspeed aka palyal81 need not be responded for their posts by any of us (six friends in USA), in view of their uncalled-for judgmental attitude (full of baseless allegations as also filthy language) for views shared contrary to their views, more so because they want this forum to be shared by only those, who agree to be dictated from them only.

SORRY!
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Jango10
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Thanks Starspeed, yours is the only answer which is closer to answering my question without unnecessary preaching, for the rest of the people responding, chill guys, chill, show some values that Baba ji himself teaches, don't judge a person you havent even met, I know,I have heard & read & pondered about everything, everything that has been told by you guys in your replies, for decades, but if I still have doubts and if I am still unresolved in my mind, you could look at it in two ways, one-that I am a moron that I cannot understand and you guys are better at understanding this, second way of looking at it is that these answers do not really resolve the issue to my satisfaction (and I am sure to so many others satisfaction as well)

Now to Starspeed, you are saying that the inner experiences are not experienced instantly at the time of initiation, the stories I have heard from my childhood is that you are sitting in a hall and Babji initiates you and you hear voices and light inside, and for those who cannot see or hear Babaji puts his hand on their head and the person starts to experience it, so these are all anecdotes, without any reality? I mean you hear all sort of stories. I am under the impression/expectation that there has got to be something at the time of initiation..............Or at the end of the day its the same old story of "did egg come first or the chicken" that is you have to believe & love first then meditation will happen or if you meditate then believe & love would follow.
If there is no power of pull in "Naam" at the time of initiation, then you have to totally & selflessly love & believe that you are on the right path, "blind faith" that takes you forward.
How would you love????? Love cannot be created, it just either happen or it does not happen, As Ghalib rightly pointed "Ishq par zor nahi, hai ye wo aatish Ghalib, jo lagae na lage, aur bujhaye na bane"
you simply will have to believe first and then leave everything to HIM.... Tough job for me, at least at this point of time in my life.............. May be I need more time, I am not as blessed as you guys are :(
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***Now to Starspeed, you are saying that the inner experiences are not experienced instantly at the time of initiation, the stories I have heard from my childhood is that you are sitting in a hall and Babji initiates you and you hear voices and light inside, and for those who cannot see or hear Babaji puts his hand on their head and the person starts to experience it, so these are all anecdotes, without any reality? I mean you hear all sort of stories. I am under the impression/expectation that there has got to be something at the time of initiation..............Or at the end of the day its the same old story of "did egg come first or the chicken"***

==> No, that's not what i meant dear. What i meant by the inner experiences in previous post are those experiences which are very profound and real, when we actully leave our body and traverse through spiritual realms, when there is a strong sense of detachemnt from wordly things.
And the inner sound and light experineces during initiation that you have heard are very much real. They are not made up stories. Only a inititated person knows and experiences these.




***that is you have to believe & love first then meditation will happen or if you meditate then believe & love would follow***

==> Meditation is the primary key. If one person sits in meditation with due diligence, faith and devotion, then love automatically follows later by grace of master and from master. That person can experience these sensations of love and acknowledges them which further strengtens his faith and creates more love.





***If there is no power of pull in "Naam" at the time of initiation, then you have to totally & selflessly love & believe that you are on the right path, "blind faith" that takes you forward.***

==> Naam/Shabad/Word is the ultimate power. It has a powerful pull. It is with this power that the whole creation came into existence and it is the only means through which we can retrace ourselves back to our true home. It is this Naam which helps in stilling mind and body and it is this same naam which creates love. Saints has talked about this thing numerous times in their writings.
And there is no place of blind faith in sant mat. Everything is practical.





***How would you love????? Love cannot be created, it just either happen or it does not happen, As Ghalib rightly pointed "Ishq par zor nahi, hai ye wo aatish Ghalib, jo lagae na lage, aur bujhaye na bane"***

==> You are right. It's the most usual problem. We don't know master closely. So it's very difficult to create love for our master. The key is to do bhajan and simran with faith and devotion and sensations of love follow subsequently. The build up of love is gradual and slow and directly related to our spiritual progress. I have read in sant mat books that when our soul contacts with shabad, it creates love. So in that case i would say meditation with faith and devotion is the key.

Note: People who say that meditation is of no use and NAAM has no power, they don't know NAAM and they are just misleading you and themselves.
You must cross check information by listening satsangs and reading Sant Mat books. In a book title "Light On Sant Mant", different questions proposed by spiritual seekers are being answered by Maharaj Charan Singh Ji on a variety of problems regarding meditation. I am very much sure your questions is also contained in this book.




"you simply will have to believe first and then leave everything to HIM.... Tough job for me, at least at this point of time in my life.............. May be I need more time, I am not as blessed as you guys are :("

==> You said that you are a seeker. That makes you as blessed as we are. Quite few people actually believe in this science.


I would like you to see this video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N9IS4GqElo

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susingh
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1. Patience with family is love, Patience with others is respect, Patience with self is confidence and Patience with GOD is faith.

2. Every test in our life makes us bitter or better, Every problem comes to make us or break us, Choice is our whether we become victim or victorious !!!

3. Search a beautiful heart not a beautiful face. Beautiful things are not always good but good things are always beautiful.

4. Never Think Hard about PAST, It brings Tears…Don’t Think more about FUTURE, It brings Fears…Live this Moment with a Smile, It brings Cheers.!!!!


Now coming to the topic, it is brought out that while visiting/viewing the website, "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N9IS4GqElo " one must know that this video relates to Dr. Ishwar Puri Maharaj (87 Years old), who has recently laid down foundation of Dera Baba Sawan Singh ji, on the bank of a river at Wisconsin in USA, by forming another splinter group of RSSB.

Dr. Ishwar Puri Maharaj's SATSANGS are quite valuable but he is a self proclaimed GURU like some other GURUS and initiates US SATSANGIS for and on behalf of his late master SAWAN SINGH JI, though it is known and identified as Ishwar Puri Ji Santmat. One can visit/view its teachings on a website, "http://hazursawanishwarpuri.com/"

Not only one, but 68-81 videos, of his SATSANG, are available on YOUTUBE on various spiritual topics.

But it does not mean that SANTMAT is sinking under mushrooming of various self proclaimed GURUS, though its main philosophy of one LIVE GURU is, definitely, found to be shrinking.
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Howzer
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I think you are very justified in your doubts. I have been involved with this group for 30 years and can safely say that practically all of the initiates I knew 30 years ago have changed very little in terms of attaining peace, self control, contentment, love for each other and the creation. Sevadars at the centers fight with each other all the time and exploit others. I knew two of the construction managers in Petaluma, they hated each other so much they literally would not talk to each other. These were old time satsangis who sacrificed a lot to volunteer there, I imagine they also sacrificed their time in meditation. In other words, if spiritual advancement is defined in these terms, and meditation is supposed to bring spiritual advancement, then meditation simply does not work or NO ONE is meditating or meditating properly. If no one is meditating then everyone is insincere. If they mediatate and they are still the same peevish, argumentative, greedy people they were before they got inititated, then meditation does not work. It is kind of like learning baseball. Every year or so you can see marked progress. I imagine with your relatives you have not seen any progress other than the mellowing out that comes with age. So, look carefully before you get into this. You may be wasting your time.
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Jango10
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Thanks for taking time & responding to each & every point. I am starting to understand that this seeking is just a phase (quite a long phase though). And of course when you are trying to seek answers, you get the answers, this Sunday satsang, I was hoping for the answer, I was disappointed for not getting the answer througout the satsang, but the very last two lines summed it up, same thing that your video link suggested "it is HIM who will contact me, I am so very insignificant to contact HIM"........... makes total sense. I am here, with open & receptive mind, waiting for HIM to contact me.
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Jango10
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I have been watching these you tube videos from past two days, one thing I would like to say is that he is talking in the language I easily understand (not as English language but the way which it has been described and explained) Infact, after listening to him I have more confidence in the all the Babajis satsangs that I have attended, Babaji always stopped himself short of divulging things as openly as it has been divulged with confidence in these videos, its good thing for skeptic people like myself, Anyways, now I can understand all the things Babaji intended to always say in the satsangs but stopped short because of the reasons best known to him. Here in the video trail is a specific "sangat" who easily understands this "language"( I again insist - I did not mean language as "English Language" but the much higher set platform at which the things are being expalined)

Thanks for leading me to these videos.
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satdas
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Do not follow this multi-millionaire fraud who is simply using the teachings he inherited. Seek a perfect master as his master was.

Babaji:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPBGKSrP5Xo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AroCQCbTABo

Maharaji, a REAL master:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWwr2drVrwg
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Jango10
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Welcome to the gang, The one you are referring to as REAL is not alive, the ones that are around you do not have belief in (yet), you are on the same platform as I am.
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palyal81
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YES YES FOLLOW THE GREAT SAINT SATDAS.

TARAS AATA HEI TUJH JESE LOKO PAR. BECHARE.
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It is good to seek especially the TRUTH my Friend and perhaps this note will help you find your way.It's not to good to be true!!SO I begin about the truth of perfect mastergod man dhillon, as his real lifestyle is starting to surface!!!! Wake up my friends, first of all there is no such thing as a perfect man, except one and yes His name is Jesus and people think this millionaire leer jet guru is equivalent to Christ, God of the universe, are you crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!! or just brain washed to the point of no return! That’s what this cult is all about if you haven’t figured it out yet my friends quit being mislead by this millionaire guru, you wouldn’t worship Donald Trumph or Oprah, please tell me you wouldn’t. Wake up and get out of it now, claim your life back and don’t listen to this guys stuff you have a brain of your own. And why would you believe a man who says he can get you into heaven on so many karmas????? that’s scary why would you trust your eternal destiny with this guy when HE DOESN’T EVEN HAVE A CLUE HIMSELF!!! Claim you life back today, give it over to Christ you won’t be disappointed my Dear Friends. Cat
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Jango10
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Hi Cat,

Thanks for your reply. I would be more happy and enlightened if we all could talk about what/who to follow rather than focusing on what not to do/follow. I am all ears to know more about why you feel so deeply regading Jesus, your experiences and how you have reached at this point. I have been disregarding all the replies and conversations which are focusing more on what not to do, those replies are not going to affect my decision, yes I am all keenlyinterested in knowing what to do and why.
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Hello dear, i have some questions.

"Wake up my friends, first of all there is no such thing as a perfect man, except one and yes His name is Jesus."

==> You said there is only one perfect man exists and he is jesus. But Jesus existed between 7–2 BC to 30–36 AD. So does that mean before that period there was no way that humans could unite with god. Moreover there are many religions who don't believe in him. So does that mean that these people too can't unite with god. Are you sure that god doesn't have plan to unite people with him from different religions and locations and he hasn't sent other prophets?



"people think this millionaire leer jet guru is equivalent to Christ, God of the universe"

==> I don't think why it's a problem that present master is wealthy. He has his personal jet and travels to over 90 countries to on his own expense. Why does that seem to a problem to you. Are you trying to say that a guru shouldn't live on his income and instead live on donations?
And you are saying that Jesus is god of the universe, but in his teachings he has reiterated many times that he's just a messenger/son/prophet of god.



"are you crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!! or just brain washed to the point of no return! That’s what this cult is all about if you haven’t figured it out yet my friends quit being mislead by this millionaire guru"

==> I don't know of the rest, but i am not blindly following this path. As far as i know, observed and realized; this is the most practical path.



"you wouldn’t worship Donald Trumph or Oprah, please tell me you wouldn’t. Wake up and get out of it now, claim your life back and don’t listen to this guys stuff you have a brain of your own"

==> You may have misinterpreted some things about this philosophy. We don't worship our master. He's a friend/master/spiritual guide.




"And why would you believe a man who says he can get you into heaven on so many karmas?????"

==> This is not a totally new concept. I have read teachings of many past saints and all have talked about this naam/word/logos that can get one liberated from karmas.




"that’s scary why would you trust your eternal destiny with this guy when HE DOESN’T EVEN HAVE A CLUE HIMSELF!!!"

==> How's that scary? And how do you know that he doesn't even have a clue. As far as i have attended his satsangs and initiation, i don't think so. Can you produce some points to validate what you said?




"Claim you life back today, give it over to Christ you won’t be disappointed my Dear"

==> Are you sure that just having belief in christ, i would get enlightened? Have you attained this state?
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Hi My Dear Friend you are right about these matters I just felt like I had to inform people about some things that are going to go Down in the furture with the rssb and the one they call thier perfect master god ( I am very, very familiar with this Cult!) anyway enough of that. I think it is Great that you seek the truth and in your journey you will find it. There is a God (Jesus Christ) and a path that He has shown us through the bible. Jesus is the only one to PROMISE us the Holy spirit and Eternal life when we accept Him as our Savior. I ask this question who else can promise us that??????and why settle for anything else,( how frustrating to deal with eternal guess work!) He is the ultimate God of the universe and he's not affraid to Claim it!! He Loves us unconditional and He means it!!! He knows our every need..Christ promises you and I these things it's His promise to us!!!!!I leave you with a Bible verse John 3-16 check it out! Perhaps someday you will ask the Lord of Lords into your life and you'll know what i'm speaking of, you will never be the same here or eternaly!!!! , you will never regret it my Dear Friend. God bless You!
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Jango10
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Hi Cat,

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate and respect your views on Jesus & Christianity. I too feel that Jesus was a son of God and a great soul who came on to earth to show everyone the path to GOD. The problem is that he is not here on this earth anymore, I cannot see him, nor has anyone seen him, everyone who claim to have seen him have had "experience" of being one with GOD, but I have lived long enough in India to realise the difference between Religion & Spirituality, Religion is different. GOD Himself can never have any religion or race or sex for that matter, nor when one dies he would say "no, you are not Christian so you are not welcome" this is not what GOD is, if GOD is in everything & everyone then GOD has to be above religion, colour, race, nationality, sex etc. etc.

This is my point of View. I do not think that GOD will say "become a Christian first then I will listen to you".
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Cat1lee2
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God bless you my Dear Friend for you are on the right path! I have not seen Jesus either physically, this is where Faith and Trust comes in(Which God will Give You!!!) The Bible says blessed are those who have not seen Christ yet Believe!( Although 500 or more people witnessed his resurrection ) This is something I cannot explain but it is promised from God himself and that is when you accept Christ as your savior then the Holy Spirit enters your being.( No other God can Promise this and yet this is what everybody is seeking!) And not only that at that moment you receive eternal life!!! Sounds to simple? As you may know God sent his only begotten son Jesus to pay the penalty (Died on the Cross! for our sins) and when you repent and believe that these GIFTS (the gift of the holy Spirit and eternal life) our ours!!And Yes your right! God never said get your life together then I will listen to you( become a Christian) Most the time it’s quit the opposite (prodigal son) We Humans are so messed up we get to the end of our rope and cry out for God to help us and he hears us and Love us and cares enough to take us to a greater place in life!!! AND HE DOES! A Person can work or do good deeds all their life and yet not know Christ. If a person had a loving parent and as a child and did some wrong things out of disobedience would a loving parent say go away until you have become pure or holy and fixed their problem... not at all the parent would take their child into their arm and love them to death( this is a religious example of works) How much greater love of God has for his children millions or billions of times we could never fathom Gods love for us it is beyond our comprehension!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God made us and love us beyond what the human mind can ever fathom. God is God He is not a tree and bicycle or a house he is God the creator of all these things. We can see his works in the beauty of nature and people. So we worship the creator and not the creation!.I hope this helps my Dear Friend. God Bless you!
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vardhan
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@starspeed .
I owe a lot for you,u helped me a lot...lot..

it is those who are real disciples of guru can understand
seekers questions correctly and can answer and also help.

thank you.

- radhasoami
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