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COMPARISON OF RSSB GURUS AND THEIR DERAS WITH GURUKULS/ASHRAMS OF THE PAST

While knowing all about RSSB GURU having world wide SATSANG CENTERS/DERAS built on their philosophy of three types of mandatory SEWA well described in a SATSANG which could be visited through a website, “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcVCGbt8KC4&list=PL1Yk1ioifnnbiI6RuKbk9KQqvvv-6Prii”

1. MONEY SEWA : 10% OF OUR INCOME TO BE DONATED

2. MITTI SEWA: SPENDING 10% OF OUR TIME FOR DOING PHYSICAL WORK

3. BHAJAN SEWA: SPENDING 10% OF OUR TIME IN MEDITATION

There is a need to know the real concept of a GURU and GURUKUL/AASHRAM by reading a real story of our history,

“In the Ashram where all four sons, of king DASHRATH, were getting education from guru Vashishta. In the beginning of the session, GURU clarified to Ram by asking, “ Ram tell me as to why students come to GURUKUL?”

Ram to GURU, “ SHASTRA AUR SHASTRA KI SHIKSHA PAANE”

GURU VASHISHTA TO RAM, “GURUKUL MEIN SHISHYA KE SAMBANDH?”

RAM, “MAATRA GURU AUR SHISHYA KE”

GURU TO RAM,“SHISHA KA PAD?”

RAM, “MAATRA SHISHYA KA”

GURU TO RAM,” TO PHIR KYON GURU MAATA KE SAATH PUTRA AUR MATA JAISE SAMBANDH STHAPIT KAR RAHE HO? KYON BHOJAN KARNE SE PAHLE EK NIVALA GURU MATA KE HAATHON SE KHATE HO? KYON UN SE LORI SUNE BINA TUMHEN NEEND NAHIN AATI RAM? AAP YAHAN PAR SHIKSHA AUR SHAKTI PRAPT KARNE AAYE HO YA APNI DURBALTA KO SEHLANE? IS GURUKUL MEIN KEVAL SHISHYA HE REH SAKTE HAIN RAM, AYODHYA KE RAJKUMAR NAHIN.”

RAM BOWS HIS HEAD TO GURU VASHISHTA, “ GURUDEV, DHIKKAAR HAI US SHISHYA PAR, JO APNE GURU KE KRODH KA KAARAN BANE, JAANE ANJAANE MEIN, IS GURUKUL KAA ANUSHASHAN TODNE KE LIYE MAIN AAP SE KHYMA MAANGTA HOON.”

GURU TO RAM, “UTHHO RAM, TUMHEN AANE VALI PIDI KE LIYE GURU AUR SHISHYA KE SAMBANDHON KAA UDHARAN BANANA HAI, UNHEN YEH SIKHANA HAI KI YADI ISHWAR AUR GURU DONO SAAMNE KHADE HON TO PEHLE GURU LO PRANAAM KARO, APNE AAP KO PEHCHANO RAM, APNE AANE KA KAARAN KABHI MAT BHOOLO,”

RAM to GURU, “GURUDEV,AAP JAISE GURU KE HOTE HUE MAIN APNE MAARG SE KABHI NAHIN BHATKUN GAA.”

GURU MAA TO GURU VASHISHTA,“GURUDEV, AAP RAM KO KYO DAAT RAHE THHE?”

GURU to GURU MAA, “YADI PATHHAR KO TARAASH KE MURTI BANANA HO TO US PAR PRHAAR KARNA HE PADTA HAI. HUM APNE SHISHYON KO DURBAL NAHIN, KARTVYA MEIN KATHOR BANANA CHAHTE HAIN”
GURUMA to GURUJI,”KARTVAYA KATHOR BANAYEN, KINTU HIRDYA KATHOR TO NAA BANAYEN.EK RAJA KE HIRDYA MEIN BHAVNAYEN NAA HON, TO VOH PRAJA KI PEEDA KAISE SAMJHE GAA? JAISE PATHHRON PAR BAARISH KAA KOI PRABHAAV NAHIN PADTA, VAISE EK KATHOR HIRDYA PAD KISI KE AASOON KAA KYA PRABHAAV PADEGA, MAHARISHI?

GURU TO GURU MAA, “AAPNE TO EK GURU KO HE SHIKSHIT KAR DIYA, AAP NE THEEK KAHA, YADI EK RAAJA KE HIRDYA KE DIL MEIN BHAVNA HE NAHIN HOGI, TO BHALA VOH APNI PRAJA KE DUKH KO KAISE SAMJHEGA? AYODYA KE IN RAAJ KUMARON KO SHASTRA AUR SHAASTRA VIDYA HUM DEGE KINTU UN KE HIRDYA MEIN KOMAL BHAVANON KO JIVANT KARNE KAA UTTARDAYITVA HUM AAP KO SAUPTE HAIN.”

At the end of training in GURUKUL/AASHRAM, on asking by GURU VASHISHTA, Ram said “During our stay in the Aashram we have learned that (i) SADA SACH KAHO SACH KE MAARG PAR CHALO ANTIM VIJAY SADA SACH KEE HE HOTI HAI, (II) KARTVYA KA SADA PAALAN KARO, JAISE EK RAJA KA DHARM HAI PRAJA KA PALAN, PITA KE MAAN KEE RAKHSHA KARNA EK PUTRA KA DHARM HAI, (III) SVADHYAYE MEIN LAGE RAHO, SVYAM KO PADO/JAANO AUR APNE DOSH AUR KAMIYON KO DOOR KARTE RAHO & LASTLY(IV) APNE MATA, PITA AUR GURUJANO KO DEVTA SAMAJH KAR UNKA SAMMAAN KARO. MOKSH AUR MUKTI, HAVAN YA YAGYA/POOJA MEIN NAA DHOOND KAR, YADI UN KE CHARNO MEIN DHOONDO GE TOO ZARROR SAFAL HO JAOGE.”

Before leaving the AASHRAM, when disciples offered GURU DKSHNA to GURU VASHISHTA, the reply was simple but great TO ADMIRE,”SANSAAR MEIN APNE KARMON SE KUCHH AISA KAR DIKHAO KI HAMEIN TUM PAR GARV HO, HAMARI SACHCHI GURU DAKSHNA TO YAHI HOGI RAM”

So a real GURU does not ask his disciples for mandatory donation to the extent of 10% of their earnings to RSSB by them as also their time for SEWA etc. and that too for the entire life. GURUKUL/ASHRAMS are not run out of donations of disciples but are run out of funds collected from the public. Similarly GURUS are neither interested in increasing the numbers of disciples nor interested to travel worldwide to open SATSANG centers for the said purpose. The GURU should be interested for upgrading quality of teachings for his disciples instead of increasing their numbers.

Has anyone heard of any such precedent in the history for running so many worldwide GURULULS/DERAS/AASHRAMS through one GURU alone?

In fact, culture of developing any DERA/AASHRAM/GURUKUL by any one GURU could be understood. But purchasing land in CHHATTARPUR (DELHI), or elsewhere in INDIA or at other RSSB centers worldwide apart from DERA BEAS gets defeated due to its misgivings well known to everyone by now, causing more harm than achieving any purpose.

At the same time has anyone heard about setting up of GURULULS/DERAS/AASHRAMS though mandatory donations of its devotees? Such donations arising out of blind faith were only heard in case of MANDIRS or GURDWARAS, which were not mandatory but were voluntary only, i.e. without asking.

It is beyond one’s understanding as to what is the need of setting up DERAS worldwide for holding SATSANG by one RSSB GURU which is being made possible by travelling in personal jet/air after buying land for such AASHRAMS/DERAS anywhere and everywhere out of hard earned earnings of RSSB devotees.

In this modern world, one has heard of mobile banks, mobile medical service, mobile post office, but now, one should also know about mobile modern GURU making available his mobile SATSANG at so many modern DERAS/GURUKULS by flying in personal jet, instead of holding SATSANG at only one DERA.

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Kuch jalne ki booo a rhi h!!
Apne girban mein jhaank lo...woi kafi hai
na to RSSB ne ...na uske devotees ne faltu se suggestions mange hain
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Everytym i read ur post i cannt stop lauging lol.. Kisko fuddu bana raho ho mere maa ke lal?
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Agar 10% seva dena mein satsangio ko koi aitraaj nahi hai, toh teri **** mein kyun mirch lag rahi hai bhadwe?
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By using filthy words, facts/history can't be destroyed. It is also brought out again that anything offered to others remains with self until it is accepted by others. So whatever has been gifted, remains with self for lack of its acceptance.

Coming to history of RSSB, following facts emerge on visiting/viewing two websites:-


1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radha_Soami

Radhasoami (Radha Swami) is a spiritual movement that originated in 19th century India, and is considered by adherents as a true way to attain God realization. The Radhasoami faith is also referred to as Sant Mat, the "Path of the Sants." The word "Radhasoami" itself is actually a combination of two words: "Radha" (referring to the soul or spiritual essence, either of an individual or of the whole) and "Soami" (referring to the spiritual master; cognate to the Sanskrit term swami or svami); the combined word thus refers to the "Lord of the Soul" or God. It also can be interpreted to mean the "Master Soul" or "Spirit Master" who guides the disciple to higher states of consciousness.
A number of Splinter Groups of Radha Soami Santmat have been detailed in the same website which also include name of RSSB.

“Shiv Dayal Singh's wife, Narayani Devi (called Radhaji), Rai Saligram (called Huzur Maharaj), Sanmukh Das, Gharib Das, Partap Singh (Shiv Dayal's younger brother) and Baba Jaimal Singh were some of his prominent followers around whom individual satsang groups formed. This splintering off, led to the propagation of Radhasoami teachings to a wider audience, although with slightly varied interpretations.”

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radha_Soami_Satsang_Beas


Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB) is a registered spiritual society. It is a non-profit and charitable society and is an independent body which does not bear allegiance to any other Radha Soami / Sant Mat groups or satsangs. It had its origins when the soldier-saint Bābā Jaimal Singh settled in 1891 near the town of Beās at an isolated rural site, which later came to be called Dera Baba Jaimal Singh, on the west bank of the Beās River in the Punjab region of British India. The Dera is now located within Punjab State in the Republic of India.

Radha means "Soul," Soami means "Lord," Satsang describes a group that seeks truth, and Beas refers to the town of Beās in Punjab State in North India. RSSB holds meetings (spiritual discourses) in more than 90 countries worldwide.

3. From the above facts it is not understood as to why Dera Baba Jaimal Sewa was, subsequently, termed as Radha Soami Santmat by getting this society registered as RSSB.

So, for all purposes Jaimal Singh was not nominated to be Radha Soami Guru by anyone but remains to be a self proclaimed GURU of the so called RSSB Spiritual Society as also all other five GURUS of RSSB Society.

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There is no enough evidence that whether Guru Nanak Dev ji had guru or not. So now should i say that guru nanak dev ji was a self proclaimed guru?
Absolutely not. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. And its not the criteria of judging so.
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Resonable ji,is susing k bhi kai rup hei jese, blm2,susing,0028,and reasonable....inn bechar,lachar logo ko kya pata ki asal kya hei.iss jocker ne jo kuch bhi likha hei,sab man-khadand hei.ram ji ki story chalo mani thik hogi.but yeh jocker comparison kyu kar raha hei rssb k sath ?.

Aaj tak babaji ne apne satsango mei kabhi nahi kaha apni sangat ko ki mujhe 10% chahiye,even not during initiation.

Iss jocker ko yeh bhi nahi pata ki jo bhi rssb mei fund/sewa delti hei usse ,ek dinn ka langar bhi nahi ban sakta.& fund koi bhi apni marzi se de sakta hei.koi zor nahi hei kisi ka.
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PAR MOBILE SATSANG EK GURUKUL KE BAJAI 90 COUNTRIES MEIN AUR DESH KE SABHI SHEHRON MEIN JET PLANE MEIN SAFAR KAR KE HI DENA ZAROORI HAI TAAKI LAKHON LOGO KO KASHT DE KAR HI ANAND PRAPT HO! AISA KARNE KE LIYE BHIN BHIN JAGEH PAR ZAMEEN KE LIYE PAISAA TO BAHUT HAI RSSB SOCIETY KE PAAS !

VOW! VOW !

BABAJI, ELECTRONIC MEDIA KA DUR PRYOG MAT KARO, TAAKI DEVOTEES GHAR BAITH KAR APNI TRISHNA POORI NAA KAR SAKEN AUR SABHI SATSANG CENTERS PAR LOG DUR PARICHAAR KO FAILAATE RAHEN AUR AAP KE DIYE SHUDH VACHAN NAA SUN SAKEN.
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"PAR MOBILE SATSANG EK GURUKUL KE BAJAI 90 COUNTRIES MEIN AUR DESH KE SABHI SHEHRON MEIN JET PLANE MEIN SAFAR KAR KE HI DENA ZAROORI HAI TAAKI LAKHON LOGO KO KASHT DE KAR HI ANAND PRAPT HO! AISA KARNE KE LIYE BHIN BHIN JAGEH PAR ZAMEEN KE LIYE PAISAA TO BAHUT HAI RSSB SOCIETY KE PAAS !
VOW! VOW !
BABAJI, ELECTRONIC MEDIA KA DUR PRYOG MAT KARO, TAAKI DEVOTEES GHAR BAITH KAR APNI TRISHNA POORI NAA KAR SAKEN AUR SABHI SATSANG CENTERS PAR LOG DUR PARICHAAR KO FAILAATE RAHEN AUR AAP KE DIYE SHUDH VACHAN NAA SUN SAKEN."

==> Your above post clearly indicates your immaturity and lack of understanding about santmat.
Babaji travel abroad not only to deliver satsangs, but also to initiate people and give darshan.
Initiation and darshan are not something that is done over Internet, or through video.
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susingh
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Babaji travel abroad not only to deliver satsangs, but also to initiate people and give darshan.
Initiation and darshan are not something that is done over Internet, or through video.

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1. BABA JI NE HAR SHAHER VICH ZAMEEN KHAREED KE SATSANG CENTER ES LAI BANYE NE KI OH DARSHAN DEN LAI JAA SAGAN? PAR BEAS VICH OH BAAR BAAR KAHINDE NE KI SANTA DE DARSHAN NAAL KUJH HO JANDA TAAN SANGAT SANTA DE KAPDE VEE PHAAD LAI JAANDI. OH DEVOTEES NU THIRD EYE DE THROUGH KHUD DEE PAHECHAAN KARAN LAI ZOR DINDE NE!

2. SIMILARLY FOR INITIATION, HAR JAGAH CENTER BANAAN DE LOD NAHI C KYON KE JADON JAAO DEVOTEES 2-3 DIN LAI KISE GURU DWARE JA MANDIR VICH INITIATE HO SAGDE NE. VAISE EH GAL JACHDI NAHIN KE PAYASA KUE TE NAA JAAVE, PAR KUA PYASE KOL JAAVE! INITIATION TE DARSHAN VAASTE REGISTRATION KARVANEE PAINDI HOEGI YA DEMAND LETTER BHEJNA HOE GAA! HAR SATSANG CENTERS TE OH SAAL VICH EK VISIT VEE NAHIN KAR SAGDE! VISITS DE DIARY MAY CONFIRM THIS POSITION. BAAKI DINA VICH SATSANG CENTERS VICH KI PARICHAAR HONDA HAI OH JAB TAK TUSI NA ATTEND AKRO IS DAA ANDAZA NAHIN LAGA SAGDE! INFACT LOT OF MISGIVINGS ARE ARISING OUT OF CONTRADICTORY TEACHINGS AT THESE GURUKULS/DERAS.

3. PAR IS DAA PAHLE HE ANDAAZ KAR KE ZAMEEN KHAREED KE CENTER BANA DEO JI? EH TAAN GURUKUL/AASHRAM/DERA CULTURE DAA MAZZAK HO GAYA! HUN ISHWAR PURI MAHARAJ JI WISCONSIN VICH DERA BABA SAWAN SINGH BANAA RAHE NE TE HE IS ASKING FOR MONEY SEWA MITTI SEVA AS ALSO PHYSICAL SEWA!

4. At present 89 videos, of Dr. Ishawar Puri’s SATSANG, are available on YOUTUBE. Yes! One does enjoy and gains lot of spiritual knowledge from contents of his videos. But on viewing all these videos, one, never, found pictures of number of devotees attending his SATSANG anywhere for reasons best guessed, being presence of devotees in tens or at the most less than a hundred, because their names are even known to Dr. Ishwar Puri ji Maharaj, since pronounced during SATSANG. But despite all these facts, one cannot find reasons for purchase of huge land for setting up DERA BABA SAWAN SINGH JI ON THE BANK OF A RIVER, IN WISCONSIN, USA. This is what the DERA/GURUKUL culture is. Whether huge land has been purchased in WISCONSIN or a SCIENCE of the SOUL centre has been developed in PETALUMA (USA) by purchasing huge land there.
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