Signs of theological brainwashing

1. - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

2. - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

3. - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

4. – You deplore the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in 'Joshua' including women, children, and trees!

5. - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that a ‘Holy' ghost impregnated a Jewish virgin, who then gave birth to a man-god who was killed, came back to life, then ascended into the sky.

5. - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by a few Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

7. - You believe that the entire population of this planet, with the exception of those who share your beliefs - but excluding all rival sects, will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. Yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

8. - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor ‘speaking in tongues’ may be all the evidence you need to ‘prove’ Christianity.

9. - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers and consider this as evidence that prayer works. You also think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

10. - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

I am athiest and i agree that some of the things a lot of "christians" do is very rude and hypocritical

Christianity...destroying more interesting religions and people for over 2000 years

This is not a reply to jobey,
This may,or may not,
reinforce his belief in mankind to control his own destiny.
Too many people are all to willing to believe in
superstition.
Superstition such as, bad luck,good luck, ghosts,
astronomy,omens,etc.
The largest body of persons who use superstition as a
lever to manipulate people are the religious fanatics
who dictate that you do this or do that.
You don`t have to worship a fictitious god to be a good
person.

Lets deal with these questions one at a time:
1> Yes ,this is a truth stated in the bible
2> Evolution and creation are distinctly different things
3> Yes, this is a truth implied in the bible
4> This is correct as you stated
5> You are misinformed on this statement
6> Numbers of christians in the world today are estimated around 1/3 of the total population, I would not consider this trivial!
7> Not one of these diciplines has ever had complete agreements about what they believe themselves
8>How would anyone know about how many prayers God answers?
9> Don't be silly!
Its that simple!
Mike

But einstein proved faith was useless-he said matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed-it was always there-thus-god did not create anything-he also said religion is
" rather childish"


It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954, The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press)

I am not aware of Einstien ruling out faith because of STR. Now if Einstien stated that the universe was not created I would wonder why , first, he believed in the big bang cosmology theorm and second, why anyone should beleive this to be a necessary condition of matter/energy. Enlighten me, isn't the cosmos expanding and renewing itself all the time. If so , as we move backward in time the universe would be seen in different time frames of past, present, and future states? If there is a tensed time frame to the cosmos then it would follow there was a time before time when the cosmos did not exist!
Remember that Einstien only showed the limitations of the physical universe. That is to say he show how our finite instruments to calculate contract and dialate. He then theorized, by creating a geometrical line through time and space, how each and every one of us into a tenseless state. This implication drew out assumptions (false) that if the is no preferred frame of reference then there could be no way for God to relate to any of us. The implications of this fed the monster that theorizes that there is no inertial frames of reference that agree. Neils Bore came along and challanged Einstien on this and Einstien took up the challange proposing an experiment whereby a lightwave was split to see if in fact , on a sub-atomic level, wheather time has similar frames of reference. Lo and behold! They do! This overturns Einstien"s deterministic universe back to favor Newton's theory of a tensed universe. You see you have been duped!
You my friend have made the fatal mistake of putting your faith in a man! Are you willing to attribute infallability to a human being! You accuse christians of faith in an omniscient God but have no problem putting blind faith in a fallable man!
Its that simple!

Mike

Its been worked out in maths-there are other universes-our big bang was peanuts-matter/mass/energy always was-computers speeded up and corrected the maths-einstein did not have this equipment-religious prelates and their customers keep their heads in the sand-wake up

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If as you say it is in the math then how do you explain red-shift? It is universally believed in physics that the universe is expanding and it is universally accepted that working backwards in time you come to a singularity at which there appears a border between time and eternity. Another way to look at it may be helpful. The expansion of the universe in a geometrical shape. A cone. It can expand forever on one end but it cannot decline forever on its opposite end for it comes to a end point. Ok, Lets say there are other universes. What would that entail? I suppose you could say oscillating universes coming into and going out of existence. Or you might say parallel universes with similar states in mimic forms. All would point to a beginning point again. I believe that these theories have been introduced by string theory. However, this same problem exists with these theories. There remains the end point when working backwards. It all boils down to a singularity. What caused the beginning of the universe? It definitely has a beginning so then it must have logical cause. If it has a beginning then logically it must not have an eternal value.
Listen on my last reply I was stating that Einstein proclaimed in STR that all things are determined. I also stated the Neil’s Bhor introduced the quantum experiment that shows how atomic particles are indeterministic. How you do you interpret this?

I know about red shift-so what

the big clue is matter/mass/energy cannot be created or destroyed-it was always there-there is no god-there is no spirit world holy or otherwise-the universes do not cater for
for things like that-religion is man guessing and hoping-
as einstein said-its all 'rather childish'

You say matter cannot be created. How do you back up these points? We now know that the universe has come out of nothing. Matter and energy is a created phenomena. So the next thing to consider is how it came into being. Do you have an answer? Let me whet your appetite. In Alexander Vilankin book ‘Many Worlds in One’ he states on page 172 that now everyone has to come to grips with the truth that the universe has indeed a beginning point in the finite past.: All leading physicist agree that there is a beginning point to the universe. How can you state otherwise? So you have to let go of the idea that matter and energy cannot be created.. And as far a belief in god goes many physicts believe in god. Hendrick A. Lorentz whose hypothesized theory of relativity Einstein drew on also believed in God. Lorrentz himself said, “A World Spirit who, not being bound to a specific place, permeated the entire system under consideration and ‘in whom’ this system existed and who could ‘feel’ immediately all events would naturally distinguish at once one of the systems U,U’ etc.,above all others. Like Newton he believe in absolute time and space. You see how he points out a ‘First Cause’ calling it a Spirit and how he calls it personal by using words like whom and feel and as being able to distinguish beyond physical limitations... You still do not seem to understand that all Einstein did was to show the limitations of our own space time universe in which it is not true that it would limit an omniscience being from either existing or being constrained by it. When Einstein says that religion is childish he is not stating an objective truth. Objective truth defined properly is an absolute truth verifiable by the consensus of all not limited to ones particular ideology. Look at this example: The morality of mankind (choosing right from wrong), is based on the concept of our truth. When we examine the holocaust and question the “wrongness” and the “rightness” of the event we are confronted with the basis for what makes wrong and what makes right. What makes Hitler’s Nazi Germany wrong in wanting to conquer the world and kill innocent people in the process? After wwii, this is one of the questions faced at the Nuremberg Trials. On what basis can the Nazi’s be prosecuted for the acts in the second world war. The basis of truth used by Germany was the Darwinian principle of survival of the fittest. The leaders of Germany saw their nation as a superior group a “stronger people” and the rest of the world as an inferior people, a “weaker people”. The source of truth derived from the friedrich Nietzsche taught that man is the source for good and evil.
“since there is no god to will what is good, we must will our own good. And since there is no eternal value, we must will the eternal recurrence of the same state of affairs.” Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) Hitler adopted Nietzsche view of truth and incorporated this in his own view of what is truth. The Holocaust and the death of millions was the result of this truth.
What about own awareness of evil as a group in society that we must take vengeance on it? Given that evolution deals with biological and chemical processes how does it follow we have this kind of awareness? That's not an outcome of physical processes. How does it come about that we claim to have such a moral understanding that gives us grounds for believing we are seeing the objective truth of matters of right and wrong? What about the nature of moral sense in evolution? Alfred Russel Wallace was a naturalists in the same vein as Darwin. In a correspondence with his contemporary Darwin he wrote concerning the “utilitarian hypothesis”, which is the theory of natural selection applied to mind. It seems likely that the struggle for survival in the development of man that utility was first and foremost in attaining a foothold over our environment. This being understood within a group would give one pause to wonder why virtue would be necessary. Given the fact that survival was of utmost importance it seems inadequate that there would appear the development of the moral sense. This is how he summed it up. “ Such being the difficulties with which virtue ( or the moral sense) has had to struggle, with so many exceptions to its practice, with so many instances in which it brought ruin or death to its too ardent devotee, how can we believe that considerations of utility could ever invest it with the mysterious sanctity of the highest virtue –could ever induce men to value truth for its own sake, and practice it regardless of consequences?” The moral religious impulse, whatever we call it is extraordinarily strong. When faced by opposition, and even by powerful political attempts at suppression, it obstinately refuses to lie down and die. One often comes on statements that religion is a primitive superstition that modern man can well do without. Yet if the impulse were really primitive in a biological sense (as for instance patriotic loyalty to a group in which one happens to live is primitive) we would surely expect to see it in other animals. The religious impulse appears to be unique to man, and indeed to have become stronger in prehistory the more advanced man became in his intellectual attainments. This secret only goes to prove that there must exist a innate conscience in all of us. But where did it come from. It could not exist in place by mere biological or chemical processes. One thing I do know when it comes to knowing mysteries in life and that is in how much I do not know!
Mike

THERE ARE OTHER UNIVERSES- OUR BIG BANG WAS PEANUTS

all religions are false-they are the work and ideas of ancient men-predominantly-jobs for the boys


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THERE ARE OTHER UNIVERSES- OUR BIG BANG WAS PEANUTS

all religions are false-they are the work and ideas of ancient men-predominantly-jobs for the boys
You mean like the ancient men who were responsible for that iconic vase of yours!
Tell me, what are your credentials? Why should I believe you know anything at all about what I have been endeavoring to engage you in? You have not reflected any substantial and/or cogent ideas regarding what I see to be a one sided debate. You seem not at all interested in truth. Yours is only that of a technician whom cannot work in the arenas of larger ideas and your limited responses point to it as proof. It has been a seeming waste of my time and talents to even respond. So what can I say to you but goodby. But I will do it with a measure of success by giving you something that is within your area of expertise.
Recipe By : Gabi
Serving Size : 16
Preparation Time 00


Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
2 tsp dry yeast -- Rapid Rise
1/2 tsp sugar -- yeast food
1 1/8 cups warm water -- baby bottle warm
(90-100°F)
3 tbsp olive oil
1 1/2 tsp baking powder
1 tsp salt
1 tbsp splenda
1 cup gluten, wheat
1/4 cup oat bran
3/4 cup soy flour
1/4 cup flax seeds -- meal , linseed
1/4 cup wheat bran

Pour yeast into bottom of bread machine pan. Add sugar and water. Stir, and let sit. (This is "proofing" your yeast to see if your yeast is alive. If it's not bubbling, it's dead and you can replace it without wasting all of the other ingredients).

In the meantime, mix all other dry ingredients together in a bowl. Add oil to bread machine pan. Add mixed dry ingredients. Set your machine to the basic cycle (3-4 hours) and bake.
Cool on a rack and enjoy.

* The sugar is totally consumed by the yeast and does not contribute to the carb count. I keep a few packets of restaurant sugar on-hand for this purpose so I never have to have a supply of actual sugar in the house.
"I've had best results using "Bob's Red Mill: Vital gluten, wheat Flour". Whatever brand you use should be 6 grams (no fiber) per 1/4 cup on label and approx. 75% - 80% protein. It works great, keeps the taste and texture just like bakery bread, and keeps the carb count very low."

Makes 16 slices. 3.4 carbs per slice.

Note: If you have trouble with your bread rising by following this recipe, then you might try to add the ingredients following the instructions provided with your machine.

Praying is useless

Farmer's Equation

Work plus prayer produces crops.
Work minus prayer produces crops.
Prayer minus work produces no crops.
Prayer then, doesn't count for much.



If, as the church and millions of Christians claim, an all-powerful God who answers prayers exists, then how come Christians didn't manage to pray all wrongs gone already? God knows they had ample time. If prayer 'works', then it seems to imply Christians are incapable of thinking

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What if there's an all powerful God that doesn't answer prayers, has little or nothing to do with religious dogma, doesn't care about us as individuals but has designed the universe in a way that allows for intelligent life capable of free will, choice and growth to emerge. what if we aren't the only ones He has created?

what if the divisiveness of religion(s) is against His wishes and the current movement away from them toward spirituality is what will lead us closer to understanding something important?

Dawn

What if indeed-then who or what created him/her


not these i hope

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Jobey,

what you refer to is the god of religious dogma, the god who requires an intermediary, that only the big high muckety mucks and men in funny hats and shiny suits who live in palaces built on the money of fools and lost souls can understand, the god who requires your money to make the world a better place, the god who tells his followers to hate someone because they are against him in deed or choice

you are talking about the god of hating sinners
the god of lies
the god of division
the god of justified hate and murder
the god of angry screams and angry fists

that is NOT God

follow no one just close your eyes and believe, you will find Him
I did

Dawn

Dawn, I don't know what you found? but i believe it was formed in YOUR brain based on YOUR experiences and upbringing.
Do you still believe in the tooth fairy? or Jack Frost?
I can assure you that if there were enough advocates batting on their behalf with tooth fairy churches or mosques or synagogues on every corner then you would be compelled to believe without even thinking about it.
It is easy to herd sheep but not to herd cats.
Try being a cat and dont just believe for the sake of believing.

Wow I was hoping to see somebody on this site exhibit some sense. Well said.

BTW: the words "theology" and "brainwashing" are pretty much synonyms! Of course, that presupposes that these puppetheads have any brains that CAN be washed.

So very true-example

The truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth.

Some thing we never had from the vatican.

Another RC Christian.





Hitler Was a Christian
The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:
History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.
Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is important information to take into consideration for I am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.
Hitler’s involvement with the Church:
a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

What about devout Christian?

The truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth.

Some thing we never had from the vatican.

Another RC Christian.





Hitler Was a Christian
The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:
History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.
Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is important information to take into consideration for I am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.
Hitler’s involvement with the Church:
a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

THIS guy found him as well.

The truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth.

Some thing we never had from the vatican.

Another RC Christian.





Hitler Was a Christian
The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:
History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.
Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is important information to take into consideration for I am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.
Hitler’s involvement with the Church:
a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm