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phisheyes

Forum members: my baptismal issue has been resolved. I'd like to thank those who responded... and also encourage you to READ posts before you reply. I am not ungrateful, but Wow! I posed a simple question and one person offered an answer. If I was in search of opinions on the history, value, relevance or definition of baptism I would have asked THAT question.
Blessings,
PhishEyes

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My son is now 11-years old, and still has not been baptized. We have been trying to do it since his birth but keep being denied for various reasons. We're military & move around a lot - have been unable to get Godparent candidates in the same city with us - complicated further by deployments. I take the Godparent role seriously and literally and don't want to choose out of convenience. Is there anyway of getting our son baptized w/o the Godparents present? - we have just moved yet again - i'm not sure what to do.
Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
Blessings,
PhishEyes
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PeterFiat
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Not to shake up your Churches tradition too much...but alot of what the Church teaches is not in keeping with Biblical fact. Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. An infant/child has no accountability as they are innocent and cannot repent as they know no sin...but yet are born in sin...it's impossible/improbable for the infant sprinkling to be accepted as a viable Biblical basis for salvation. Jesus blessed the little children, and the Old Testament the Hebrew child was circumcised (male) at eight days. The Lutheran Church in which I was raised has emacipated this tradition as some Gospel teaching, when in fact it has little value if any at all. Godparents? Nothing is said in the Bible of Godparents. All of the brethren and sisters should be Godly "parents" watching out for the younger.
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14scolw
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Dont worry im not baptized either. im now like 16.
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PeterFiat
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My Dad who at one time was a Lutheran minister expected us kids to automatically have a newfound yearning to know the Lord at 14 or whenever we were in Catechism class...much like the Catholic Church only they have communion (first communion) for outright children...like 8,9 years old. In the Lutheran Church it's a bit older, but God doesn't deal with all people at some automatic age like that. It's ridiculous to even think that way. Some people might go their whole life not knowing anything but their carnal pleasures....and if the Father (God) doesn't draw him/her to Him, they will never come to know anything REAL. They may be talked into some Church affiliation/membership...but that's not what Christianity is about.
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Cassie21m
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'Peter said, "Change your life. Turn to God and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, so your sins are forgiven. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is targeted to you and your children, but also to all who are far away—whomever, in fact, our Master God invites."
Act 2:38
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rbfan
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Very good answer!
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rbfan
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Are you saying that Christ's Baptism in the Jordan has very little value?
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rbfan
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There are Catechesis groups that teach candidates before Baptism and Conformation they will also supply you with Sponsors should you need it. Don't let this stop you from moving ahead you are vigilance in this matter is a very worthy endeavor. God Bless
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catholicapoligist
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You can not enter the kingdom of heaven without being baptised, you are too be baptised in the name of the father the son and of the holy ghost If at any time the Apostles baptised in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ only, we can be sure they did so by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, in order, in the infancy of the Church, to render their preaching more illustrious by the name of Jesus Christ, and to proclaim more effectually His divine and infinite power. If, however, we examine the matter more closely, we shall find that such a form omits nothing which the Saviour Himself commands to be observed; for he who mentions Jesus Christ implies the Person of the Father, by whom, and that of the Holy Ghost, in whom, He was anointed.

And yet, the use of this form by the Apostles seems rather doubtful if we accept the opinions of Ambrose and Basil, holy Fathers eminent for sanctity and authority, who interpret baptism in the name of Jesus Christ to mean the Baptism instituted by Christ our Lord, as distinguished from that of John, and who say that the Apostles did not depart from the ordinary and usual form which comprises the distinct names of the Three Persons. Paul also, in his Epistle to the Galatians, seems to have expressed himself in a similar manner, when he says: As many of you as have been baptised in Christ, have put on Christ, meaning that they were baptised in the faith of Christ, but with no other form than that which the same Saviour our Lord had commanded to be observed. The second period to be distinguished, that is, the time when the law of Baptism was made, also admits of no doubt. Holy writers are unanimous in saying that after the Resurrection of our Lord, when He gave to His Apostles the command to go and teach all nations: baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, the law of Baptism became obligatory on all who were to be saved.

This is inferred from the authority of the Prince of the Apostles when he says: Who hath regenerated us into a lively hope, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead;' and also from what Paul says of the Church: He delivered himself up for it: that he might sanctify it, cleansing it by the laver of water in the word of life. By both Apostles the obligation of Baptism seems to be referred to the time which followed the death of our Lord. Hence we can have no doubt that the words of the Saviour: Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God, refer also to the same time which was to follow after His Passion.


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